Jacoby Brissett - any chance he doesn't make it

[Biffins]

Think it through. Next year you need a back up QB. Whether the starter is Brady or Garoppolo. (Yeah, I've heard the Brady AND Garoppolo ideas.) BTW, no one is 100%. Maybe 99.998%

Yes and the question is can we get a rookie or vet pick-up for a backup QB role in 2018 that's as good as a year 3 Brissett. If the answer is yes, you're wasting a roster slot this year.

 

[Biffins]

JB is a 100% lock. There is no way he makes it onto the PS. Teams that have no QB and nothing to lose like the Jets would just claim him.

So far in the polls, only 42% of participants, 25/60, agree with you. Don't be so sure.

 

[fnordcircle]

Dude is a few weeks into his 2nd NFL season and we've got a thread about dumping him. He certainly looked like he had regressed last week but the impatience of the average NFL fan these days is frustrating. Troy Brown would have been working at Home Depot if it was up to you folks.

 

[Biffins]

I agree he will not make it to the PS as other teams would think he's had a great year of finishing school learning from Brady, McDaniel and Belichick.

If he has to go I would rather put him on IR with a hangnail.

Is it possible to abuse IR like this. Stash him for a season on IR since we only need him from 2018 as backup. Sounds almost too good to be true.

 

[Biffins]

Dude is a few weeks into his 2nd NFL season and we've got a thread about dumping him. He certainly looked like he had regressed last week but the impatience of the average NFL fan these days is frustrating. Troy Brown would have been working at Home Depot if it was up to you folks.

I already posted there is precedence. Kevin O'Connell was a 3rd rd pick and was dumped by us after 1 year. Please don't make it sound like it's unfathomable, when infact it just happened not so long ago.

 

[Bruins29]

Is it possible to abuse IR like this. Stash him for a season on IR since we only need him from 2018 as backup. Sounds almost too good to be true.

Sure but he can't practice for 6 weeks. And he looks like he needs the practice. But the new 2 IR slots do make for some flexibility.

 

[Biffins]

Seems like bb kind of took parcels word when he vouched for him. Parcels vouched for the wrong guy, Prescott should have been the pick.

Brissett simply cannot throw the ball like an NFL caliber QB, he has no accuracy.

Man, imgaine if we had picked Prescott and he had been decent in his rookie year and two starts (that Brissett got). We'd have traded Jimmy G by now and still had Prescott for 4 more years, and there would be no debate or drama.

Ah the "what ifs".

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So far in voting 15/60 votes, a quarter of the participants, voted 50% or 70%, so that doesn't make the thread utterly ridiculous as you imply.

100% of the vote could be "He's sure to get cut and has no chance to make the team" and this thread would still be ridiculous. He is not getting cut.

 

[Biffins]

My point was about 2018, and I was just trying to note there is no circumstance in which Belichick will rely on a rookie at QB2 to start camp.

Yeah but we can get a vet FA for backup QB role. Doesn't have to be just a rookie. Can be both.

There's a cost in a roster slot this year, which is wasted if we already know Brissett will never be a long-term answer in any capacity.

 

[Biffins]

100% of the vote could be "He's sure to get cut and has no chance to make the team" and this thread would still be ridiculous. He is not getting cut.

So your point is that the whole world can disagree with you but you're still right and everyone is still wrong.

Ok got it.

Why do you post on the forums again? Just curious. The whole point to come here is to discuss, debate, share etc.

 

[Bruins29]

if we already know Brissett will never be a long-term answer in any capacity.

And nobody knows yet, so its moot.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Man, imgaine if we had picked Prescott and he had been decent in his rookie year and two starts (that Brissett got). We'd have traded Jimmy G by now and still had Prescott for 4 more years, and there would be no debate or drama.

Ah the "what ifs".

Yep, wish that were the case

 

[Biffins]

Sure but he can't practice for 6 weeks. And he looks like he needs the practice. But the new 2 IR slots do make for some flexibility.

Sounds like we have the answer. We only need Brissett for 2018 and we need all the roster slots we can get this year. So Brissett to IR seems to be the solution. Who cares he misses 6 weeks of practice, he gets another year till next TC to show he has improved.

 

[Bruins29]

Sounds like we have the answer. We only need Brissett for 2018 and we need all the roster slots we can get this year. So Brissett to IR seems to be the solution. Who cares he misses 6 weeks of practice, he gets another year till next TC to show he has improved.

 

[Biffins]

 

[Kontradiction]

Dude is a few weeks into his 2nd NFL season and we've got a thread about dumping him. He certainly looked like he had regressed last week but the impatience of the average NFL fan these days is frustrating. Troy Brown would have been working at Home Depot if it was up to you folks.

If it was up to me, Troy Brown would be working at Home Depot right now.

 

[scott99]

Seems like bb kind of took parcels word when he vouched for him. Parcels vouched for the wrong guy, Prescott should have been the pick.

Brissett simply cannot throw the ball like an NFL caliber QB, he has no accuracy.

I agree that Prescott should have been the pick. That being said, way too early to write off Brissett.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So your point is that the whole world can disagree with you but you're still right and everyone is still wrong.

Ok got it.

Why do you post on the forums again? Just curious. The whole point to come here is to discuss, debate, share etc.

Nope, I'm not right about everything. I am right about this, though. Your initial post was completely unpersuasive. It is a widely accepted opinion thst Brissett is a lock to make the team...not one single inside source or journalist covering the team has even suggested he's a bubble player. He's 24 years old and a year into his rookie contract. He played 2.5 games last season, as a rookie with no experience, and moved the ball adequately overall (7.3 YPA, 0 INTs, plus rushing.)

The Patriots may be moving on from Garoppolo or Brady next season, and the idea that they only keep quarterbacks who they think are the long-term answer as a starter contradicts their history.

You think Brissett's chances of making the team have gone down by 30% in merely a few weeks based on the following:

-Belichick made some comments about young players and mechanics (he says a lot of things thst he considers to be important)
-His style doesn't fit the system (total speculation, and the Patriots drafted him knowing his stengths)
-There are other players who might be more worthy of a roster spot (failing to mention that the Patriots place a much higher value on the QB position)
-Not sure if Brissett is as bad as Kevin O'Connell (lol)

So you'll have to excuse me for not taking this very seriously. Brissett will make the team. If you wanted to bet on this using a 70% number as baseline odds, you would be completely off.

 

[maineman209]

Here's what I think about Brissett.

His INT% at NC State was 1.4% (it's 0.0% so far in real games played for the Pats).

In 1,122 touches during his 4-yr college career, he apparently had zero fumbles (although he's had 3 with the Pats).

He can run faster and with more wiggle than either Brady or JG (though that's not saying a lot).

His throwing mechanics seem to have improved this year and the length of his wind-up seems significantly reduced. His reads are still too frequently slow and he still doesn't appear to have developed much touch.

If both Brady and JG are out simultaneously for an extended period, Brissett is highly unlikely to be able to carry the Pats very far in the post-season, much less to a sixth ring. So, his value to the 2017 campaign seems somewhat limited.

Keeping three QBs on the 53-man roster all season CAN put a strain on keeping enough guys at other positions. I'm thinking about the DL in this instance. What it doesn't usually do is keep a truly valuable prospect at another, well-filled position off the roster. I'm thinking here about Carr.

I think it's possible that the Pats might get as much as a 5th in trade for Brissett this season, but more likely a 6th. Even so, that would probably only happen IF all of the following conditions have been met:
... the Pats are 8-0 at the trade deadline
... both Brady and JG are extremely healthy
... some other team's QB room was wiped out by a meteor strike or the Browns are down to Osweiler (same difference, really).
... the Pats desperately need the roster spot to shore up another position
... the Pats have found a way to keep both Brady and JG for 2018.

I agree with those who say that a year-3 Brissett as a backup for Brady in 2018 is likely superior to any alternative - IF Garoppolo goes away (in a tag-and-trade, most likely). So, if Brissett goes away, it seems to me that the odds are that JG will be sticking around for at least 2018. If Brissett stays on the 53-man all season, I'd say the odds are that JG will be gone in 2018.

The alternative way to free up the QB3 roster spot for 2017 is sending Brissett to IR-return (or, possibly, season-ending IR). He won't be able to practice with the team, but he could still spend the season studying with Brady's QB guru - which may very well be better for Brissett's development anyway.

So, I'm going with 50/50.

 

[maineman209]

Yeah but we can get a vet FA for backup QB ...

Have you looked around to see who's out there (aside from Kaepernick)? DO you have a specific "vet FA" QB in mind? The last I knew, there wasn't a real glut of decent vet FA QBs.