Will Cyrus Jones make this team

[luuked]

This is not true. A lot of people hated the pick from the start.

Yes and more power to them if they realized how mentally instable Cyrus is. I still think that athletically he could have a nice NFL career and that was really the only thing that I was able to look at/evaluate before the draft.

 

[Deus Irae]

That being said, initially I felt the same as you Deus. Given how rough the game was for Cyrus maybe Chatham will focus on him a bit in his FbyF video he promised to do about the first preseason game. Usually it has good insight..

Your post doesn't change anything at all about what I posted. Neither does Chatham's tweet, which does not conflict with what I've written.

Here

Game Highlights: New England Patriots vs. Jacksonville Jaguars | Preseason Week 1

Watch starting around 2:37, with a better view starting at about 2:52.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes and more power to them if they realized how mentally instable Cyrus is. I still think that athletically he could have a nice NFL career and that was really the only thing that I was able to look at/evaluate before the draft.

They thought he was a bad pick for one reason or another. I remember some of them talking about how he was the one who got picked on even at Alabama, because he wasn't very good, and that they didn't think he'd cut it in the NFL. You're the one assigning a mental issue to his current state. You might be correct, but that doesn't make the opinion of others mere hindsight.

 

[supafly]

Whatever less than zero percent is. Thats his chance. The media literally thinks bb would get rid of brady for jimmy g. Cyrus jones is a very sweet ,nice, head case that forgot how to play football. He has no chance of making the team. And on top of that he wont get picked up anywhere. He is a disaster.

Jones hasn't played well at all, but you're making two very, very bold statements, here.

1) As mentioned, Belichick seems to have patience with first and second year players when they are high round draft picks. I believe backup QB Kevin O'Connell was the one exception, who was a 3rd round pick and reportedly wasn't understanding the offense, whatsoever. You may be right that Cyrus won't be given a 2nd year opportunity, but it's hardly "less than zero percent." It's probably 50/50, and again, we should revisit this subject after the 3rd or 4th preseason game.

2) I think there's a decent chance that another team would take a shot at a 2nd round pick coached by Nick Saban who has ST value, even if he's the CB5 on a crappy team. Someone would likely give him a year two chance, even if they ended up releasing him in a couple of months. It's a bit premature to act like his entire NFL career is over.

 

[Biffins]

Richards is what he is. No more upside potential to him.

Cy Jones has upside potential.....but as a Safety. It's worth at least a look. Replace Jordan Richards with Cy Jones. We know the answer on Richards. Richards ain't getting any better.

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Jordan Richards joins the long line of 2nd round defensive back busts of last 10 years. Tavon Wilson, Ras-I Dowling, Darius Butler, Terrence Wheatley......

I am guessing Cyrus Jones will soon follow, making it 6!! 2nd round defensive back busts in last 10 years out of 7 picks (Patrick Chung was a 2nd round pick who wasn't a bust).

We should stick to just picking Offensive Lineman in the draft. Clearly that's the only area we know what we're doing. More likely, Scar manages to mold average players into decent starters.

 

[kennyb]

Lots of people thought he was slow, small and unathletic. Not hindsight. And you dont know that it's mental. He's just slow and unathletic.

I wonder if they'll cut him tomorrow. Forget about making the team. I love the "well, he didnt fumble, that's progress!". That's expected of high schoolers.

Patriots have lots of talented guys to try and squeeze on a 53 man roster. No room for this guy. Feel bad for him, but he did make a couple million in salary and signing bonus money. Feel worse for the pats, imagine a,talented player instead of him? A good ol or lb? What could have been.

The scout who recommended him needs to be tarred and feathered.

 

[kennyb]

Well it worked with McCourty.

Mccourty was a pro bowl cb droy candidate with speed, hands and tackling ability who moved to safety.

Jones has none of those things. He's horrible at cb, so move him to safety because someone who is great at cb is now a good safety. What? Using that logic, i'd make a great safety too. After all, i'm terrible at cb, so i got that covered.

 

[maineman209]

Yeah did I read correctly he had 7 returns for only 19 yards?

Those mental mistakes seem to happen often with him. How about the infamous Ravens kick off where he forgot to recover the ball

Jones had 6 kickoff returns for an average of 19.5 yards with his longest being 27 yards.

As others have mentioned, if this had been a regular season game, the up man probably would have had Jones take a knee in the EZ for the touchback on most of those.

Jones was very careful with the football and stayed on script in following his blockers (who didn't appear to be capable of opening any seams for him). He was also very good about staying far away from risky punts and waving off his teammates.

There are a lot of things to criticize about Jones, but his performance in the return game last night isn't among them.

 

[luuked]

Jordan Richards joins the long line of 2nd round defensive back busts of last 10 years. Tavon Wilson, Ras-I Dowling, Darius Butler, Terrence Wheatley......

I am guessing Cyrus Jones will soon follow, making it 6!! 2nd round defensive back busts in last 10 years out of 7 picks (Patrick Chung was a 2nd round pick who wasn't a bust).

We should stick to just picking Offensive Lineman in the draft. Clearly that's the only area we know what we're doing. More likely, Scar manages to mold average players into decent starters.

Looking at Wilson's and Butler's career I don't think you know what the word bust means.

 

[DarrylS]

Not fumbling kicks is expected in the NFL.. so what Jones did is what supposed to happen.

Simply put he looked awkward as an NFL CB/safety... aren't we supposed to expect a huge upswing in the second year??..

 

[DarrylS]

Jordan Richards joins the long line of 2nd round defensive back busts of last 10 years. Tavon Wilson, Ras-I Dowling, Darius Butler, Terrence Wheatley......

I am guessing Cyrus Jones will soon follow, making it 6!! 2nd round defensive back busts in last 10 years out of 7 picks (Patrick Chung was a 2nd round pick who wasn't a bust).

We should stick to just picking Offensive Lineman in the draft. Clearly that's the only area we know what we're doing. More likely, Scar manages to mold average players into decent starters.

Every team has their share of draft busts whether it be in later rounds or early rounds.. clearly the Patriots would not be in the position they are in if they did not know how to "draft"... consider Ryan, Harmon, McCourty, Chung and to a lesser extent Butler etc.

Every day read about NFL teams jettisoning high draft picks who do not make it in the NFL...

Good college football skills often do not translate into good NFL football skills..

 

[maineman209]

Safety play last night was atrocious more often than not - and not limited to Jordan Richards mistakes.

Watching the replay of Jones' first TD allowed to Keelan Cole from various angles, I kept expecting another Patriots player - ANY Pats player - to come into the frame at some point. It never happened. It looked to me like there wasn't another Pats DB within 10-15 yards of Cole after the catch.

The catch itself was solely Jone's mistake. The TD wasn't.

And that likely would NOT have been Richards' responsibility, since he was more the in-the-box guy for the game.

Anyway, the lack of consistently competent safety play has me far more concerned than Cyrus Jones' individual performance since the Pats need a competent #4 and don't appear to have found one out of this group yet.

 

[maineman209]

Simply put he looked awkward as an NFL CB/safety... aren't we supposed to expect a huge upswing in the second year??..

Only if you believe the common media narrative.

 

[DarrylS]

Only if you believe the common media narrative.

Why should I disbelieve it??

 

[maineman209]

Why should I disbelieve it??

Why should you question a hack narrative oversimplification coming from employees of organizations that are trying to sell you something?

 

[Biffins]

Can someone explain to me how Cryus was the Patriots first pick in 2016? Was the draft that bad? What did our scouts see? I mean Alabama was a super team except for their cornerbacks who were dreadful, led by Cryus Jones who got picked on constantly deep.

What did our scouts see in Jordan Richards, Tavon Wilson, Ras-I Dowling, Darius Butler, Terrence Wheatley............. They were all 2nd round picks same as Cyrus, all within last 10 years.

 

[Biffins]

Looking at Wilson's and Butler's career I don't think you know what the word bust means.

I know what it means, and it's what I said. Wilson barely got on the field with us. He had more tackles 89 with Lions last year than with us for 4 years. He was a 2nd round pick and should have been a starter.

Next you'll tell me that Easley wasn't a 1st round bust even though we released him after 2 years since he had a decent year with the Rams last year. I don't care what they do with other teams etc.

Same point with 2nd round pick Butler who was kicked out after 2 years. I don't care he became a medicore CB with Colts.

 

[luuked]

I know what it means, and it's what I said. Wilson barely got on the field with us. He had more tackles 89 with Lions last year than with us for 4 years. He was a 2nd round pick and should have been a starter.

Same point with 2nd round pick Butler who was kicked out after 2 years. I don't care he became a medicore CB with Colts.

What you are describing are not busts not above average NFL careers my friend. Look at average career lengths and then the amount of players that actually got a second contract in FA and you will quickly realize that those are not busts. Not everyone is a superstar.

 

[Biffins]

What you are describing are not busts not above average NFL careers my friend. Look at average career lengths and then the amount of players that actually got a second contract in FA and you will quickly realize that those are not busts. Not everyone is a superstar.

I agree not everyone is a superstar but clearly we are better at drafting some positions than others. It's not just random. And my point was we suck at drafting defensive backs and we have wasted a lot of high picks on them.

Let's look at our OL picks from rounds 1-4 since 2009 (I added Cannon 5th rounder as well)

2016 - 3rd round Joe Thuney
2015 - 4th round Tre' Jackson
2015 - 4th round Shaq Mason
2014 - 4th round Bryan Stork
2014 - 4th round Cameron Fleming
2013 - none
2012 - none
2011 - 1st round Nate Solder
2011 - 5th round Marcus Cannon
2010 - none
2009 - 2nd round Sebastian Vollmer

I mean the only one here who didn't really work was Tre Jackson. This is a tremendous hit rate. Compare this to the garbage success rate we have with defensive backs.

 

[Flash]

It's early, so there is no way to tell. Someone should ban BB from picking DBs in the second round though. For as many good decisions he has made as GM, picking DBs in the second round seems to fail much more often than his other moves.

Cyrus was a unpopular pick when he was drafted. Undersized CB who isn't extremely athletic and didn't have a standout year at Alabama, this looked like a bad pick from the very beginning. Drafting for his ST skills for a second round pick is a reach as well, and Cyrus was dreadful at returning punts in his first year.

Off the field I've heard negative stuff regarding his Snapchat usage.

I want the kid to succeed, but it's not surprising that he has not lived up to his draft position. It would be dumb to keep an inconsistent punt returner who can't play CB very well over someone else who is killing it at CB. Cre'Von LeBlanc got dumped last year, whatever, since it's Cyrus' first year. Will we dump Kenny Moore to keep Cyrus Jones?