NFL scout on Garoppolo: Bill thinks he's got the next great one

[Huckleberry1]

So we should project Tom playing better than now at 45?

I'll project Brady maintaining this level of play for at least another 3 years, and the decision in Garrapolo has to be made this offseason, not four years from now. But I it's very clear where your head is at, you want them to dump Brady and go to Garrapolo, and all the make believe in the world won't cover that. The decision isn't years from now it's this coming off-season.

I can't wait for Brady to shove another Lombardi up the ass of all the Garrapolo worshippers.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So we should project Tom playing better than now at 45?

You're projecting Kellermans Cliff.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I heard the same argument from Montana fans and look what happened.

I think like BB does. He's protecting against the downside and contingency planning for the future. He is on record as saying its hard to predict how older players will perform from one year to the next.

Enough with the " I'm just thinking like Belichick" nonsense. You aren't Belichick and you have absolutely no idea what he's thinking. Belichick is also on record as saying that a players availability to play is the most important factor, and Jimmy Garrapolo couldn't make it through two games when he was needed for four. If you want I can say I'm channeling Belichick as well, and he lost all faith in Garrapolo when he wouldn't answer the bell for the Buffalo game, and he sees Brissett as the more likely successor to Brady because he isn't made of China.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No it's not, it's about performance and availability, and Brady performs at a higher level than any player in history, and Jimmy Garrapolo wasn't able to make it through two games.

Toms projected performance and his age is separate to Jimmy's durability and you know damn well you can't project and injury but can watch a player slow down.

The challenge with Tom is we have not seen him slow down yet but as an older player, you need to evaluate what you see and project.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So we should project Tom playing better than now at 45?

It's almost impossible to play better than Brady did last season, but I will guarantee you right now that Jimmy Garrapolo will never have a season where he goes 15-1 with a TD to Int ratio like 28-2., and wins Super Bowl MVP and another Lombardi for them. That you want to dump Brady when he is playing like this, just so you can test out Jimmy Garrapolo is batsh.t crazy.

Here's an idea, they should move Malcolm Butler to DT.

Thoughts?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Toms projected performance and his age is separate to Jimmy's durability and you know damn well you can't project and injury but can watch a player slow down.

The challenge with Tom is we have not seen him slow down yet but as an older player, you need to evaluate what you see and project.

So once again, which way has Brady been trending in recent years? That's the best indicator of play, not his age.

So which way is he trending?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'll project Brady maintaining this level of play for at least another 3 years, and the decision in Garrapolo has to be made this offseason, not four years from now. But I it's very clear where your head is at, you want them to dump Brady and go to Garrapolo, and all the make believe in the world won't cover that. The decision isn't years from now it's this coming off-season.

I can't wait for Brady to shove another Lombardi up the ass of all the Garrapolo worshippers.

The polarizing rhetoric makes me not want to continue this discussion. Let me be clear.

My head it at making sure the team is positioned for long term success while at the same time, hedging it's bets that if Tom maintains his level of play I'm totally fine with that. I am not looking for an excuse to play Jimmy so Tom is dumped but I am looking at it how BB does.

Don't bundle me with the Garrappolo worshipers. I couldnt care less if he's here or not

 

[RobertWeathers]

You're projecting Kellermans Cliff.

No I am saying you need to prepare for it which it what BB is doing.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Enough with the " I'm just thinking like Belichick" nonsense. You aren't Belichick and you have absolutely no idea what he's thinking. Belichick is also on record as saying that a players availability to play is the most important factor, and Jimmy Garrapolo couldn't make it through two games when he was needed for four. If you want I can say I'm channeling Belichick as well, and he lost all faith in Garrapolo when he wouldn't answer the bell for the Buffalo game, and he sees Brissett as the more likely successor to Brady because he isn't made of China.

BBs actions have been pretty obvious. You either don't see it or do not want to acknowledge them.

It's called risk management

 

[Huckleberry1]

The polarizing rhetoric makes me not want to continue this discussion. Let me be clear.

My head it at making sure the team is positioned for long term success while at the same time, hedging it's bets that if Tom maintains his level of play I'm totally fine with that. I am not looking for an excuse to play Jimmy so Tom is dumped but I am looking at it how BB does.

Don't bundle me with the Garrappolo worshipers. I couldnt care less if he's here or not

Getting rid of Brady is without question the most polarizing issue this team has ever faced. I have been on record for years, especially since fans here started clamoring for Garrapolo after the KC game in 2014, that as long as Brady is performing at this kind of level talk of getting rid of him is insane, yet that's exactly what people are doing. Sorry if you don't think that deserves a harsh response but it does. It's crazy, period. I like and respect you as a poster here but it doesn't matter to me who backs the idea of moving on from Brady when he is the best player in football, it's nuts.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's almost impossible to play better than Brady did last season, but I will guarantee you right now that Jimmy Garrapolo will never have a season where he goes 15-1 with a TD to Int ratio like 28-2., and wins Super Bowl MVP and another Lombardi for them. That you want to dump Brady when he is playing like this, just so you can test out Jimmy Garrapolo is batsh.t crazy.

Here's an idea, they should move Malcolm Butler to DT.

Thoughts?

Past success gives us an indicator of future performance but does not guarantee it.

You are being snarky .

 

[Huckleberry1]

BBs actions have been pretty obvious. You either don't see it or do not want to acknowledge them.

It's called risk management

Yes, they used a 3rd round pick to prepare for the departure of Jimmy Garrapolo.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So once again, which way has Brady been trending in recent years? That's the best indicator of play, not his age.

So which way is he trending?

Of course his play has improved. There is no denying that.

Again, from a planning and roster management standpoint, with Tom as an older player you have to take that into consideration.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Past success gives us an indicator of future performance but does not guarantee it.

You are being snarky .

Absolutely NOTHING "snarky" about it. You keep saying it is about projection and the most obvious and important factor in projecting is how it is trending, and you refuse to acknowledge how Brady's play has been trending over the last three to five seasons. And there's a reason you won't acknowledge it, and that's because he has clearly been getting better, and that's the truth of the issue.

Edited to acknowledge that you have finally acknowledged that Brady's play is getting better.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Of course his play has improved. There is no denying that.

Again, from a planning and roster management standpoint, with Tom as an older player you have to take that into consideration.

Absolutely no one, including myself, has ever made the argument that they shouldn't constantly be preparing for life after every player, Brady included, what i and others are saying is that the " get rid of Brady early" argument is crazy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Getting rid of Brady is without question the most polarizing issue this team has ever faced. I have been on record for years, especially since fans here started clamoring for Garrapolo after the KC game in 2014, that as long as Brady is performing at this kind of level talk of getting rid of him is insane, yet that's exactly what people are doing. Sorry if you don't think that deserves a harsh response but it does. It's crazy, period. I like and respect you as a poster here but it doesn't matter to me who backs the idea of moving on from Brady when he is the best player in football, it's nuts.

Of course if TB is playing at this level you keep him. Period.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Absolutely NOTHING "snarky" about it. You keep saying it is about projection and the most obvious and important factor in projecting is how it is trending, and you refuse to acknowledge how Brady's play has been trending over the last three to five seasons. And there's a reason you won't acknowledge it, and that's because he has clearly been getting better, and that's the truth of the issue.

Edited to acknowledge that you have finally acknowledged that Brady's play is getting better.

The Malcolm Butler analogy is snark. Just cut it out of your debate.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Absolutely no one, including myself, has ever made the argument that they shouldn't constantly be preparing for life after every player, Brady included, what i and others are saying is that the " get rid of Brady early" argument is crazy.

That position is being revealed for the first time.

You are coming across without a shadow of a doubt TB can play at 2016 or better level for the next 4 years .

 

[mosslost]

I and most on here have said it before. You CAN NOT move from Tom Brady if he is continuously playing like he has been and winning, yes WINNING, SUPER BOWLS! I don't care if he is 50. If his most recent (just finished season) is 30 to 2 TD/INT, 12-4 to 14-2, and a SUPER BOWL, he gets another year.. forever til it stops, for many reason. (One being no one knows anything about how Jimmy G will end up being anyway)

EDIT: I am NOT saying that Jimmy G will not be a franchise QB, Even Great QG, and Super Bowl winning QB. I am just saying you cannot move on from Brady if he is leading the teams to Super Bowls still and wants to keep doing so. This just makes the timing wrong for Jimmy G. unless he truly is willing to not start before age 30. Steve Young was pretty old when he got that job with the 49ers. (not 30 though I don't think... woe I went back and looked, Young was not the official starter until he was 31 years old, and even then Montana was still on the team just hurt. Young won the MVP in 92 and the team owner still ordered the coaches to put Montana back to starter in 93, but Montana demanded a trade. I was a huge fan of the NFL back then and way before, but don't remember that transition being so dramatic)

 

[sb1]

Texans...Broncos...

Broncos yes.

The Texans... I don't think they're just a Tom Brady away from being a Super Bowl contending team this year. They also have issues in their OL. They are a team "on the rise" and they do need a QB and one who can be there when they evolve into a real threat in the conference... not a 40+ year old guy. They'd have little interest in Brady IMO.

The Broncos are a Super Bowl contender today if they acquire Tom Brady. Not happening.