NFL scout on Garoppolo: Bill thinks he's got the next great one

[Huckleberry1]

That position is being revealed for the first time.

You are coming across without a shadow of a doubt TB can play at 2016 or better level for the next 4 years .

I'm saying Brady can continue to play at the level he has the last three years for the next 3-4 years, I doubt anyone can match his numbers from last year as they were ridiculous.

On the other hand I have no idea what you are saying as you are saying both keep Brady and move in to Garrapolo, when only one is possible.

 

[Huckleberry1]

That position is being revealed for the first time.

You are coming across without a shadow of a doubt TB can play at 2016 or better level for the next 4 years .

I'm not sure what position you are referring to as no one has ever argued they should have weak back ups at any position.

 

[Simpelton]

No I am saying you need to prepare for it which it what BB is doing.

Kellerman cliff is a worst case scenario. As a planner if you are not fully prepared for the worst case to the best of your ability, you haven't done your job.

 

[Simpelton]

Broncos yes.

The Texans... I don't think they're just a Tom Brady away from being a Super Bowl contending team this year. They also have issues in their OL. They are a team "on the rise" and they do need a QB and one who can be there when they evolve into a real threat in the conference... not a 40+ year old guy. They'd have little interest in Brady IMO.

The Broncos are a Super Bowl contender today if they acquire Tom Brady. Not happening.

Disagree utterly that if TB12 was on the market the Texans wouldn't be among the interested teams.

That franchise needs three things to become a true contender. A solid quarterback, a veteran leader and a core Identity. Brady gives any team that hires him all of that as a matter of course

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm saying Brady can continue to play at the level he has the last three years for the next 3-4 years, I doubt anyone can match his numbers from last year as they were ridiculous.

On the other hand I have no idea what you are saying as you are saying both keep Brady and move in to Garrapolo, when only one is possible.

Ok. Here is our difference.

With this situation, you are planning for Tom to be QB until 2020.

I am not because I have no freaking clue what the future holds which is why I am advocating for planning multiple potential outcomes which includes Tom here for another 4 years and BB seeing a drop off in his play.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The Malcolm Butler analogy is snark. Just cut it out of your debate.

The Butler analogy is to illustrate that the idea of getting rid of the best player in football so his unproven back up is harsh.t crazy, so there isn't any analogy I can use because all would have to be batsh.t crazy.

And for real " snark" look no further that Beluchick's response the last time the author of this article asked him about replacing Brady with Garrapolo, he snorted. And since that day all Brady has done us play the best football if his career, win two more Super Bowl's and two more Super Bowl MVP's, whereas Garrapolo couldn't make it through the four games he was called upon to start. So what would be his answer today?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Kellerman cliff is a worst case scenario. As a planner if you are not fully prepared for the worst case to the best of your ability, you haven't done your job.

Why the dislike? You are agreeing with me

 

[Jackson 2]

Broncos yes.

The Texans... I don't think they're just a Tom Brady away from being a Super Bowl contending team this year. They also have issues in their OL. They are a team "on the rise" and they do need a QB and one who can be there when they evolve into a real threat in the conference... not a 40+ year old guy. They'd have little interest in Brady IMO.

The Broncos are a Super Bowl contender today if they acquire Tom Brady. Not happening.

I never suggested it would happen today. I'm not sure you read my post.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The Butler analogy is to illustrate that the idea of getting rid of the best player in football so his unproven back up is harsh.t crazy, so there isn't any analogy I can use because all would have to be batsh.t crazy.

And for real " snark" look no further that Beluchick's response the last time the author of this article asked him about replacing Brady with Garrapolo, he snorted. And since that day all Brady has done us play the best football if his career, win two more Super Bowl's and two more Super Bowl MVP's, whereas Garrapolo couldn't make it through the four games he was called upon to start. So what would be his answer today?

Brady is playing at an elite level so the question would not be asked.

In the first 4 games of 2014 he was struggling. It's obvious he was not struggling because of his ability but for other reasons. Girardi is just too stupid to know the difference.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ok. Here is our difference.

With this situation, you are planning for Tom to be QB until 2020.

I am not because I have no freaking clue what the future holds which is why I am advocating for planning multiple potential outcomes which includes Tom here for another 4 years and BB seeing a drop off in his play.

I'm not Miss Cleo but you asked what I believed so I told you. Brady's game is based upon intelligence and accuracy, the two attributes to diminish with age, and in fact are getting better, so I have no idea what factor anyone is using to claim his game is diminishing.

 

[Ring 6]

That s exactly why Garoppolo is still here. Because placing 100% blind faith in Brady to do things no one has ever done such as playing at an elite level at age 42 and beyond, is more likely than not to hurt the franchise

Garoppolo is here for 2017 because he can be. After that when it's a choice between Brady and JAG unless Brady sustains a career threatening injury JAG will be packing his bags, because of what is best for the team.

By the way hoping that JAG can play at an elite level at any age is a longer shot than Brady playing at an elite level in his 40s.

 

[Ring 6]

Browns buzz: Myles Garrett at No. 1 and Jimmy Garoppolo with No. 12 would be their dream scenario

Did you read what you posted?

But if New England will accept their No. 12 overall pick and maybe another later selection, I think the Browns would strongly consider that.

Exactly what I said one reporter guessing at what the briwns might consider doing.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Brady is playing at an elite level so the question would not be asked.

In the first 4 games of 2014 he was struggling. It's obvious he was not struggling because of his ability but for other reasons. Girardi is just too stupid to know the difference.

Except that's exactly what is being asked, and the person who started the thread claimed in another thread in the same topic that " they should get rid of Brady and go to Garrapolo next season EVEN IF THE PATRIOTS GO 19-0."

That's f.cking nuts, period.

 

[Ring 6]

Of course he still will be the best.

With Bill, it's all about the projection.

What do you base that on?
BB is not as simplistic as people here make him out to be.

 

[sb1]

I never suggested it would happen today. I'm not sure you read my post.

Fair enough but all the more reason they likely wouldn't be interested in an even older Brady. To me they are a rising team not a win now team. For a team on the rise you want a QB to "rise" with you and help take you there. Brady can be their answer for a year or two but I doubt longer.

Then again if he is why would the Pats get rid of the GOAT at all?

Denver is different, they become a legit SB threat with Brady immediately.

 

[sb1]

Disagree utterly that if TB12 was on the market the Texans wouldn't be among the interested teams.

That franchise needs three things to become a true contender. A solid quarterback, a veteran leader and a core Identity. Brady gives any team that hires him all of that as a matter of course

Their OL is subpar and they badly need help in the secondary. A move for Brady in the short term doesn't make them a SB contender. The Broncos- yes. But the Pats would never consider helping them.

Brady is the answer in any trade for a win right now need a QB team. The Texans are not win now imo.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok. Here is our difference.

With this situation, you are planning for Tom to be QB until 2020.

I am not because I have no freaking clue what the future holds which is why I am advocating for planning multiple potential outcomes which includes Tom here for another 4 years and BB seeing a drop off in his play.

But you have to flesh out the details.

2017 Brady is likely to be the best QB in the NFL again.
2018 If Brady has a career threatening injury or just totally loses it in 2017 or retires after 2017 then JAG could be signed long term or franchised or the patriots would have to look elsewhere.
If Brady 2017 resembles Brady 2016 jags contract is up and he will either be franchised and traded (if we can afford the tag) or become a free agent. There is really no scenario he stays here unless Brady is done.
We will look to brisset and a new draft choice as the next post Brady option.

 

[sb1]

I want to think JG is the next great one but the fragility combined with the 9% sack rate he has shown so far might be a real problem.

It's possible this is why the Pats could not trade him.

 

[Simpelton]

Their OL is subpar and they badly need help in the secondary. A move for Brady in the short term doesn't make them a SB contender. The Broncos- yes. But the Pats would never consider helping them.

Brady is the answer in any trade for a win right now need a QB team. The Texans are not win now imo.

Don't see why you feel that way when the Texans are always in and out of the early playoff rounds. If they had that all timer quarterback they would instantly be favorites in their division and only a piece or two from tpp contender status even with their other flaws.

If the Texans had a Brady type quarterback they would instantly on a rough parallel with the 2011 Patriots right now

 

[Ring 6]

Don't see why you feel that way when the Texans are always in and out of the early playoff rounds. If they had that all timer quarterback they would instantly be favorites in their division and only a piece or two from tpp contender status even with their other flaws.

If the Texans had a Brady type quarterback they would instantly on a rough parallel with the 2011 Patriots right now

Any team with tom Brady is a SB contender. That's us why the team that has him will never let him in go. You know they want to be a SB contender too.

I know I'm new here and no thanks quite up to speed with the part of being a patriot fan that aus keeping an unproven guy who has barely played football for 3 years but might be pretty good is more important that keeping the greatest QB who ever lived.