OT - Celtics to trade #1 overall pick?

[borg]

Promising big man on the way

Who is Ante Zizic? The most talented Celtics prospect you never heard of

 

[mosslost]

Having lots of first-round picks isn't nearly as valuable in the NBA as in the NFL. There is a lot more player performance variation at the top of the NBA draft than the NFL draft. You would much rather have the #1 overall than five first-round picks between 10 and 20.

Trading away the #1 overall, with a player perceived to be a potential star, is extremely risky. The LA Laker pick cannot be the #1 overall, per ESPN. So they are trading the #1 overall for #3 and another high, but not top, pick.

>>>>In NFL comparison, would you rather have one Peyton Manning (#1 overall) or two Ryan Leaf's?

It's great that they have two likely lottery picks next season in Brooklyn and LA, but they already had the Brooklyn pick.

There is probably some benefit in pushing the assets out. With Durant in Golden State, it looks like they have a solid five-year window to dominate. If you could trade a #1 overall for a certain #1 overall in three years, it might make sense to try to load up for a run when the GS stars are in their mid-30's.

It certainly does give the Celtics more ammunition to compete and be an exciting team.

>>>>>Trading away the #1 overall, with a player perceived to be a potential star, is extremely risky. The LA Laker pick cannot be the #1 overall, per ESPN. So they are trading the #1 overall for #3 and another high, but not top, pick.

In NFL comparison, would you rather have one Peyton Manning (#1 overall) or two Ryan Leaf's?

Don't agree with this at all. Red traded the number 1 pick for number 3 and Parish. Also, having tons of draft picks puts you in a great position to make your move for something big if and when the opportunity presents itself. Ainge is in a better spot than anyone in that scenario. Also, it is clear we are kicking the can down the road some. We can't beat the CAVs yet, and Golden State would have beat us in a 2 game sweep.

 

[borisman]

this just in: (the 2019 pick is No.1 protected

The future first-round pick that Boston will receive will be the Los Angeles Lakers' first-round pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, provided that such pick is No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, or No. 5 in the 2018 NBA Draft. If the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick is No. 1 or is No. 6 or later, the Sixers will instead convey to the Celtics the rights to the more favorable of the Sixers' own 2019 first-round pick or the Sacramento Kings' 2019 first-round pick, provided that the more favorable pick is not the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft. If the more favorable of the Sixers' and Kings' 2019 first-round picks is the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft, the Sixers will instead convey the rights to the less favorable of those two picks.

 

[IllegalContact]

Lonzo Ball is 6'6 with elite court vision and passing skills. Players like that don't grow on trees.

I expect Ball is going to be drafted by the LAL and we take Jackson but if LAL unexpectedly takes Jackson, we should be glad to get Ball. I don't care at all about his dad getting into shouting matches with Stephen A. Myth about nonsense over on BSPN.

I like the way he plays, but can't stand how he shoots....it's almost a chest pass

I think all 3 top guys need a ton of work on their outside shot

I still like the idea of getting one of these guys while walking away with another lottery pick next year......it's not like any of the 3 is going to put the C's at the top for next season

 

[deroc5050]

None of us really know how any of these players turn out. Well I don't, but I am frustrated by what we got just because there are so many stipulations. Trading the #1 over all pick you should at least get another unprotected pick. But instead you got a bunch of possibilities and have no idea what your actually going to get in return.

It doesn't seem like enough.

 

[XLIX]

Having lots of first-round picks isn't nearly as valuable in the NBA as in the NFL. There is a lot more player performance variation at the top of the NBA draft than the NFL draft. You would much rather have the #1 overall than five first-round picks between 10 and 20.

Trading away the #1 overall, with a player perceived to be a potential star, is extremely risky. The LA Laker pick cannot be the #1 overall, per ESPN. So they are trading the #1 overall for #3 and another high, but not top, pick.

In NFL comparison, would you rather have one Peyton Manning (#1 overall) or two Ryan Leaf's?

With all due respect, that's a poor analogy and one that relies on 20/20 hindsight. We could look at it another way and ask would you rather have Greg Oden or Kevin Durant?

I think Ainge just wasn't sold on anyone is this year's draft being a difference maker.

 

[XLIX]

From a risk perspective, sure, if you are convinced that George wants to go to LA (and he's making that pretty clear that it is his dream destination).

But if, up front, you could get him to commit to a long-term deal, then George is so much more valuable than Butler that it is silly.

There is zero chance whatsoever that happens (for Boston). Hence his complete lack of trade value.

 

[reflexblue]

Promising big man on the way

Who is Ante Zizic? The most talented Celtics prospect you never heard of

Hes just what the celts need if he can take his game here.

 

[Ring 6]

With all due respect, that's a poor analogy and one that relies on 20/20 hindsight. We could look at it another way and ask would you rather have Greg Oden or Kevin Durant?

I think Ainge just wasn't sold on anyone is this year's draft being a difference maker.

Unless you believe the #1 is a stud why wouldn't you move down 2 spots to get another likely top 5 pick?
Essentially you are giving up nothing if the guy you like best or the same is still there at 3.
Look at it from the other side. Is fultz good enough to give up a future top 5 to get him over who you get at 3?
He doesn't seem like that guy to me.

The only negative I could see in this trade is if they could have gotten more but i Trust that ainge isn't an idiot who doesn't listen to all offers first.

 

[Ring 6]

None of us really know how any of these players turn out. Well I don't, but I am frustrated by what we got just because there are so many stipulations. Trading the #1 over all pick you should at least get another unprotected pick. But instead you got a bunch of possibilities and have no idea what your actually going to get in return.

It doesn't seem like enough.

Not enough compared to what?
2018 is only protected against #1 which isn't much protection. The CELTICS have more protection with protection against worse than 5. That's an advantage they negotiated in.
And the fall back is the 19 1 from a pathetic squad that isn't getting better any time soon.

 

[50-yard-line]

Unless you believe the #1 is a stud why wouldn't you move down 2 spots to get another likely top 5 pick?
Essentially you are giving up nothing if the guy you like best or the same is still there at 3.
Look at it from the other side. Is fultz good enough to give up a future top 5 to get him over who you get at 3?
He doesn't seem like that guy to me.

The only negative I could see in this trade is if they could have gotten more but i Trust that ainge isn't an idiot who doesn't listen to all offers first.

Sounds like that's exactly what Ainge was thinking:

Danny Ainge Explains Celtics’ Simple Reasoning For Trading No. 1 Pick In NBA Draft

 

[XLIX]

I have to admit I sympathize with GM's in these situations a little. I mean, they're making millions so I don't feel too bad for them but let's face it...

If Fultz becomes an all-world player, people will be talking about how "the Celtics could have had him" for the rest of our natural lives. But if Fultz never excels, people rarely remember the smart moves quite as passionately.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

this just in: (the 2019 pick is No.1 protected

The future first-round pick that Boston will receive will be the Los Angeles Lakers' first-round pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, provided that such pick is No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, or No. 5 in the 2018 NBA Draft. If the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick is No. 1 or is No. 6 or later, the Sixers will instead convey to the Celtics the rights to the more favorable of the Sixers' own 2019 first-round pick or the Sacramento Kings' 2019 first-round pick, provided that the more favorable pick is not the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft. If the more favorable of the Sixers' and Kings' 2019 first-round picks is the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft, the Sixers will instead convey the rights to the less favorable of those two picks.

Well, what are the odds that:
(1) 2018 LAL pick doesn't wind up in the 2-5 range AND
(2) SAC get the #1 pick in 2019 AND the 76er's make the playoffs that year?

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

I like the way he plays, but can't stand how he shoots....it's almost a chest pass

I think all 3 top guys need a ton of work on their outside shot

I still like the idea of getting one of these guys while walking away with another lottery pick next year......it's not like any of the 3 is going to put the C's at the top for next season

It's still a better jumpshot than Jason Kidd's was when he came out. I don't see any flaws with Ball that a decent coach can't improve (or conceal).

That said, the word on the street is Ainge likes Tatum.

 

[deroc5050]

Not enough compared to what?
2018 is only protected against #1 which isn't much protection. The CELTICS have more protection with protection against worse than 5. That's an advantage they negotiated in.
And the fall back is the 19 1 from a pathetic squad that isn't getting better any time soon.

Well I will be the first to admit that I really have no clue what this current draft offers. I really don't watch much college basket ball unless BC is good, and sometimes I will watch the tournament.

It seems obvious that Ainge is not enamored with Fultz.

 

[Ring 6]

I have to admit I sympathize with GM's in these situations a little. I mean, they're making millions so I don't feel too bad for them but let's face it...

If Fultz becomes an all-world player, people will be talking about how "the Celtics could have had him" for the rest of our natural lives. But if Fultz never excels, people rarely remember the smart moves quite as passionately.

Unless fultz becomes great but the celtics win any way without him. Winning cures all.

 

[Ring 6]

Well I will be the first to admit that I really have no clue what this current draft offers. I really don't watch much college basket ball unless BC is good, and sometimes I will watch the tournament.

It seems obvious that Ainge is not enamored with Fultz.

So how are you criticizing the pick?

 

[primetime]

I really don't watch much college basket ball unless BC is good

Could have just left the second part out

 

[They_Hate_We]

this just in: (the 2019 pick is No.1 protected
If the more favorable of the Sixers' and Kings' 2019 first-round picks is the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft, the Sixers will instead convey the rights to the less favorable of those two picks.

Well that just dropped a huge turd in the punch bowl!

Sac is gonna get the number 1 pick with .001% lottery odds after playing a "commendable, given the circumstances" season.

Phila's all world PG, "Dad Bod" Fultz leads the 76ers to an unimaginable 78 win season and blows out GS in the championship by winning all 4 games by an average of 46 points.

Boston then gets the 30th pick in the draft which is immediately traded for the Lakers' 2029 pick which happens to be top 59 protected because Ainge didn't read the fine print.

Now I'm really angry@!!!! I'm skipping the 2019 draft.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

It's still a better jumpshot than Jason Kidd's was when he came out. I don't see any flaws with Ball that a decent coach can't improve (or conceal).

That said, the word on the street is Ainge likes Tatum.

If pick Ball you must go all in 100%. From the ball boy to the owner. Everything must go right, from the lighting to the system you run. Which absolutely has to be 7 seconds or less Suns ball. He has to run an up tempo offense.

Sounds obvious but if you don't have those pieces in place it could be a spectacular failure.

Hey theres a lot there. The kid was the biggest, by far, that his team jumped from 100+ to 1 in offensive efficiency.

I think and have thought Tatum is the guy Danny wants.