OT - Celtics to trade #1 overall pick?

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

If pick Ball you must go all in 100%. From the ball boy to the owner. Everything must go right, from the lighting to the system you run. Which absolutely has to be 7 seconds or less Suns ball. He has to run an up tempo offense.

Sounds obvious but if you don't have those pieces in place it could be a spectacular failure.

Hey theres a lot there. The kid was the biggest, by far, that his team jumped from 100+ to 1 in offensive efficiency.

I think and have thought Tatum is the guy Danny wants.

Lots of people seem to think Tatum is the pick and I can easily see why. Dude really does look like Paul Pierce, has a 0% chance of busting, and could really turn into something special with good coaching.

 

[woolster22]

The 19 pick is #1 protected too? I hope he bought you dinner first danny.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Seriously, look at this guy and tell me you don't see Paul Pierce 2.0

 

[deroc5050]

So how are you criticizing the pick?

Well in my opinion to many things have to go the Celtics way in order for this trade to pay off. Your getting 1 extra 1st round pick and we have no idea where that pick is. Anything beyond the #2 pick is usually a huge drop off. If you hit on a player at #4 or past that its a total crap shoot.

Like I said I don't know about these college guys but trading the #1 pick you should be getting something great in return.. not a maybe.

 

[Jackson 2]

Lots of people seem to think Tatum is the pick and I can easily see why. Dude really does look like Paul Pierce, has a 0% chance of busting, and could really turn into something special with good coaching.

He looks good, but more than a few Duke guys who looked good too ended up sucking canal water in the NBA. Everyone was goo-goo, ga-ga over Okafor a couple of years ago. Now, according to Jeff Goodman this morning, Philly would have trouble giving him away. I generally don't trust Duke guys in the NBA.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Well in my opinion to many things have to go the Celtics way in order for this trade to pay off. Your getting 1 extra 1st round pick and we have no idea where that pick is. Anything beyond the #2 pick is usually a huge drop off. If you hit on a player at #4 or past that its a total crap shoot.

Like I said I don't know about these college guys but trading the #1 pick you should be getting something great in return.. not a maybe.

You're absolutely 100% right. This deal isn't special at all.

It gives us a little more flexibility than we had before but let's be honest here. What team is trading any game changing talent for picks with lots of , if's, maybes etc.

 

[Ring 6]

Well in my opinion to many things have to go the Celtics way in order for this trade to pay off. Your getting 1 extra 1st round pick and we have no idea where that pick is. Anything beyond the #2 pick is usually a huge drop off. If you hit on a player at #4 or past that its a total crap shoot.

Like I said I don't know about these college guys but trading the #1 pick you should be getting something great in return.. not a maybe.

If you know nothing about the players involved how can you gauge if what they got back is worth it. If ainge was going to pick the same player at 1 or 3 it is impossible for this to be a bad trade?

 

[Deus Irae]

Well in my opinion to many things have to go the Celtics way in order for this trade to pay off. Your getting 1 extra 1st round pick and we have no idea where that pick is. Anything beyond the #2 pick is usually a huge drop off. If you hit on a player at #4 or past that its a total crap shoot.

Like I said I don't know about these college guys but trading the #1 pick you should be getting something great in return.. not a maybe.

It's a bad trade, but a pretty good payoff potential is still there.

 

[deroc5050]

If you know nothing about the players involved how can you gauge if what they got back is worth it. If ainge was going to pick the same player at 1 or 3 it is impossible for this to be a bad trade?

Its just my opinion, all I have to say is if Fultz in 2 or 3 years is tearing up the league.. what a horrible decision. If Fultz ends up being the best player in this years draft it was a horrible decision.

Take the best player available unless you have a trade lined up to land an established player.

Furthermore why wouldn't Ainge just wait until Wednesday or even draft night. Maybe he could have gotten a better deal.. like I said unless he already has a plan to move some of these picks.

Most NBA analysts are saying Fultz is the best player in the draft. So I will listen to them. I am certainly not wasting my day breaking down the kids college and high school career.

 

[captain insano]

Seriously, look at this guy and tell me you don't see Paul Pierce 2.0

love the high lights. but the sound track is absolute garbage.

 

[deroc5050]

It's a bad trade, but a pretty good payoff potential is still there.

Its like rolling the dice all over again. The best case Scenario is the Celtics get Brooklyn's #1 pick and the Lakers #2 pick next year.. but the chances of that happening are probably considerably less than 1%

 

[Ring 6]

Its just my opinion, all I have to say is if Fultz in 2 or 3 years is tearing up the league.. what a horrible decision. If Fultz ends up being the best player in this years draft it was a horrible decision.

Take the best player available unless you have a trade lined up to land an established player.

Furthermore why wouldn't Ainge just wait until Wednesday or even draft night. Maybe he could have gotten a better deal.. like I said unless he already has a plan to move some of these picks.

Most NBA analysts are saying Fultz is the best player in the draft. So I will listen to them. I am certainly not wasting my day breaking down the kids college and high school career.

Ainge wasn't picking fultz if he kept the pick.
He said Phillys offer was the best by a lot.
You can't not do the right thing because you are afraid the guy you don't want to draft might turn out good.

 

[captain stone]

this just in: (the 2019 pick is No.1 protected

The future first-round pick that Boston will receive will be the Los Angeles Lakers' first-round pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, provided that such pick is No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, or No. 5 in the 2018 NBA Draft. If the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick is No. 1 or is No. 6 or later, the Sixers will instead convey to the Celtics the rights to the more favorable of the Sixers' own 2019 first-round pick or the Sacramento Kings' 2019 first-round pick, provided that the more favorable pick is not the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft. If the more favorable of the Sixers' and Kings' 2019 first-round picks is the No. 1 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft, the Sixers will instead convey the rights to the less favorable of those two picks.

I wonder if Danny even knew about that particular little stipulation. It wouldn't entirely shock me if he didn't.

 

[deroc5050]

Ainge wasn't picking fultz if he kept the pick.
He said Phillys offer was the best by a lot.
You can't not do the right thing because you are afraid the guy you don't want to draft might turn out good.

Well I hope for the Celtics fans Ainge is right. He doesn't have the best drafting record.

 

[Ring 6]

It's a bad trade, but a pretty good payoff potential is still there.

I don't see how it's a bad trade if:
Ainge really felt someone other than fultz or ball is best pick, and
Ainge isn't lying that this was the best offer by a lot.

I don't see fultz as the kind of guy anyone would trade a bounty for.

 

[Ring 6]

Well I hope for the Celtics fans Ainge is right. He doesn't have the best drafting record.

There are no guarantees with drafting.
The only certainty is that it's best fir the guy picking the groceries to be true to his gut and if his gut is bad you replace him.
Drafting out of fear of being wrong or being second guessed is the worst thing you can do.

 

[ausbacker]

Well in my opinion to many things have to go the Celtics way in order for this trade to pay off. Your getting 1 extra 1st round pick and we have no idea where that pick is. Anything beyond the #2 pick is usually a huge drop off. If you hit on a player at #4 or past that its a total crap shoot.

Like I said I don't know about these college guys but trading the #1 pick you should be getting something great in return.. not a maybe.

Picks aren't the problem, identifying and drafting talent for the Celtics is.

2012 - Pick 21 Jared Sullinger wasn't half bad but we knew the issues at draft time.
2013 - Pick 13 Kelly Olynyk could have been Giannis Antetokounmpou who went at 15.
2014 - Pick 6 Marcus Smart could have been Dario Saric (12) and if you want to be a real ass, Nikola Jokic was pick 41.
2015 - Pick 16 Terry Rozier has shown glimpses but he's not exactly shown starter calibre potential.
2016 - Pick 3 Jaylen Brown looks a franchise type player.

FTR, the following were picks 1 and 3 in the corresponding drafts:

2012 - Anthony Davis & Bradley Beal
2013 - Anthony Bennett & Otto Porter
2014 - Andrew Wiggins & Joel Embiid
2015 - Karl-Anthony Towns & Jahlil Okafor
2016 - Ben Simmons & Jaylen Brown

Unless pick 1 is a generational talent, Ainge made the right move. There's a heap of talent available in the draft after pick 4 it's more trusting your talent evaluators get it right. Missing on Giannis for Kelly ****ing Olynyk is the one that gripes me. It pissed me off draft day and continues to piss me off until today. Now, if you'd like to argue about the pick protections the Celtics and Philly agreed to, that's a different kettle but I suspect the Lakers will be in the top 5 this season so I'm not too concerned. There's the very real possibility the C's will have 2 top 5 picks next season.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

something
love the high lights. but the sound track is absolute garbage.

Yeah, I can't tell if that rapper is saying "Ya know I'm gonna floss" or "Ya know I'm gonna flush" . . .

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Its like rolling the dice all over again. The best case Scenario is the Celtics get Brooklyn's #1 pick and the Lakers #2 pick next year.. but the chances of that happening are probably considerably less than 1%

Brooklyn's not getting any better.
Phoenix and Philadelphia are probably going to be better than the Lakers next year.
Sacramento is probably going to really suck.
The rest of the teams that missed the playoffs look mediocre but not hopeless.
I see the Lakers finishing with no better than the 4th worst record giving us about a 70% chance at pick 2-5.

 

[captain stone]

He looks good, but more than a few Duke guys who looked good too ended up sucking canal water in the NBA. Everyone was goo-goo, ga-ga over Okafor a couple of years ago. Now, according to Jeff Goodman this morning, Philly would have trouble giving him away. I generally don't trust Duke guys in the NBA.

I smell what you're cooking regarding Duke players; I feel similarly about NFLers from Alabama. I still prefer Tatum to Josh Jackson, however, but the one player on whom I hope Danny takes a chance at #3 is Jonathan Isaac. His ceiling is higher than either Tatum's or Jackson's (though his floor is lower), and by the end of his rookie contract, he could become our version of - dare I say it - Kevin Durant.