OT - Celtics to trade #1 overall pick?

[DarrylS]

I wonder if this is all speculation and rumor orchestrated to create more interest in the upcoming draft??...

Do not see anyone in this draft or who they could trade for that can match up with Davis/Durant/Curry/James.. so do they go with a bunch of complimentary players who they develop??

As long as the NBA and their Collective Bargaining Unit allow players to choose what team they want to play for and who they want to play with most of this is just silly ********..

 

[Froob]

I wonder if this is all speculation and rumor orchestrated to create more interest in the upcoming draft??...

Do not see anyone in this draft or who they could trade for that can match up with Davis/Durant/Curry/James.. so do they go with a bunch of complimentary players who they develop??

As long as the NBA and their Collective Bargaining Unit allow players to choose what team they want to play for and who they want to play with most of this is just silly ********..

The issue is max contracts and soft cap. LeBron is both the highest paid player in the league and most underpaid. You are only able to pay LeBron and KD about 4-5 mill per year more than Al Horford. Major major problem.

Those guys max out at like 30-32 mill when in actuality they are probably worth closer to like 75-80 mill at least. That's huge savings on the cap. Hell you could argue LeBron is worth 90 mill, is he as good as having 3 regular max players? Arguably.

 

[Jackson 2]

Morons like Danny Ainge keep you from taking the Patriots' competence for granted. Something is seriously wrong with that organization. The fact that that fool still has a job is clear proof.

Idiotic.

 

[patfanken]

Some Celtics thoughts

1. I think the Philly trade only makes sense if they get the #3 AND one of their Bigs

2. The Biggest Celts need is a big - The problem with waiting for 2018 to get one is that ALL these rookies come out so early that it takes them all 2-3 years to get even cl;ose to their potential. Brown, by current standards, had a decent rookie year, but who kn0ws how good he might eventually be.

3. Fultz might be the best pick this year, but the gap between the top 5 players really isn't that big. Also I too worry about Fultz not being able to elevate his team to being at least a winning team. For example Larry Bird elevated a team to nobodys to the finals Fultz couldn't get his team into the top 64. Finally there is no one in this draft that is going to make an immediate impact on the team's fortunes in the next 2 years.

4./ Blake Griffin SHOULD be the Celts FA target, not Gordon Heywood. With Thomas playing defense, the Celts primary need is an athletic rim protector, not another #3 scorer.

5. The NBA has gone the way of the NFL with playoff games against supposedly good team getting into the 120's is rediculous. Granted the offensive skills of current NBA players is better than ever, there IS no defense being played.

6. Ideal Hypothetical:

Dump Kelly O, Johnson, Jerevko, etc. Sign Griffin, Trade the #1 for the #3 and a Philly big. That should solidfy and immediatly upgrade your bigs and your defense. Horford would be free to be a 2 where he is more effective than at center.
That leaves you with the #3 in this years draft to get another quality 2 or 3 prospect. AND you still have a likely top 3 pick in 2018 to grab a young big.

7. I don't like the idea of trading with Philly for picks. First of all they look like they are actually starting to improve. Their picks might still get you into the lottery, but not likely to get you a top 3 pick anymore. Also, like the Browns, you can start to have joo many picks and they are wasted, especially since the development time for even good prospects is so long in the NBA now.

 

[Sfpat]

Some Celtics thoughts

1. I think the Philly trade only makes sense if they get the #3 AND one of their Bigs

2. The Biggest Celts need is a big - The problem with waiting for 2018 to get one is that ALL these rookies come out so early that it takes them all 2-3 years to get even cl;ose to their potential. Brown, by current standards, had a decent rookie year, but who kn0ws how good he might eventually be.

3. Fultz might be the best pick this year, but the gap between the top 5 players really isn't that big. Also I too worry about Fultz not being able to elevate his team to being at least a winning team. For example Larry Bird elevated a team to nobodys to the finals Fultz couldn't get his team into the top 64. Finally there is no one in this draft that is going to make an immediate impact on the team's fortunes in the next 2 years.

4./ Blake Griffin SHOULD be the Celts FA target, not Gordon Heywood. With Thomas playing defense, the Celts primary need is an athletic rim protector, not another #3 scorer.

5. The NBA has gone the way of the NFL with playoff games against supposedly good team getting into the 120's is rediculous. Granted the offensive skills of current NBA players is better than ever, there IS no defense being played.

6. Ideal Hypothetical:

Dump Kelly O, Johnson, Jerevko, etc. Sign Griffin, Trade the #1 for the #3 and a Philly big. That should solidfy and immediatly upgrade your bigs and your defense. Horford would be free to be a 2 where he is more effective than at center.
That leaves you with the #3 in this years draft to get another quality 2 or 3 prospect. AND you still have a likely top 3 pick in 2018 to grab a young big.

7. I don't like the idea of trading with Philly for picks. First of all they look like they are actually starting to improve. Their picks might still get you into the lottery, but not likely to get you a top 3 pick anymore. Also, like the Browns, you can start to have joo many picks and they are wasted, especially since the development time for even good prospects is so long in the NBA now.

As a Freshman, Bird sat on the Indiana bench. As a 5th year senior, Bird lifted a bunch of nobodies to the championship game. Too bad we won't be able to see Fultz as a 5th year senior.

 

[Sfpat]

The NBA can be summed up as ...he who has the best player wins. So unless you are getting the best player in a deal, you lose. Draft picks that don't get you the best player are valueless as "good" players are a dime a dozen and can easily be acquired in many different ways. It would be foolish to trade the #1 pick for what's behind door number 2 if Fultz is indeed one of the "best" players.

 

[dafoe2016]

Great post. You are truly a beacon of positivity.

Yeah, let's stay positive while our mentally handicapped GM trades a great player, a once in a lifetime opportunity, for more mediocre players. That's called delusion. The Celtics don't have enough mediocrity already.

 

[Galeb]

Yeah, let's stay positive while our mentally handicapped GM trades a great player, a once in a lifetime opportunity, for more mediocre players. That's called delusion. The Celtics don't have enough mediocrity already.

Criticism requires neither malice nor resentment..

 

[dafoe2016]

Baseless.

Than explain why. Unlike you I have been watching this fool run around like a chicken with it's head cut off for over a decade. 2007 was pure luck.

The idiot is an abysmal drafter. The jury is still out on Brown. Not exactly a stellar rookie season. Ainge hasn't had a decent pick in seven years and the overwhelming majority of his picks are busts. Discovered Giannis and then took professional turd Kelly Olynyk instead. He screwed us out of at least one title with the moronic Perkins for Jeff (I clearly hate playing basketball) Green. A trade so brain dead that rivals were laughing about it and relieved when it happened.

He is a fool with zero long term plan. He has no ability to see the bigger picture. His entire train wreck of a tenure here has been throwing as much **** against the wall as he can and seeing if anything sticks. He does not understand that two mediocre players do not equal one great player.

I get that you are a casual fan. But if you are going to make a statement have some idea of what you are talking about and support with an argument. otherwise you just look foolish. Ainge is a buffoon.

 

[dafoe2016]

The NBA can be summed up as ...he who has the best player wins. So unless you are getting the best player in a deal, you lose. Draft picks that don't get you the best player are valueless as "good" players are a dime a dozen and can easily be acquired in many different ways. It would be foolish to trade the #1 pick for what's behind door number 2 if Fultz is indeed one of the "best" players.

At least one person gets it.

 

[dafoe2016]

Criticism requires neither malice nor resentment..

No, it doesn't. But I am infuriated. This is a Patriots forum so I don't expect to find a lot of hardcore fans. I am. And I am sick to death of this idiot's ********. I just want something resembling competence. He hasn't had a decent draft pick since Avery Bradley seven years ago. I am sick of this fool trying to prove that he's smarter than everyone else. He isn't.

Now he wants to trade a guy that will be a top five or ten player for two picks that will produce more mediocrity. It's stupidity beyond comprehension. We will never win another title as long as he is here. The man could screw up a wet dream. This is insane. I legitimately hate him. Probably more than any figure in Boston sports history. Thanks to him we had to watch one of the all time Celtics greats retire in another uniform for no reason whatsoever. We are going to end up with nothing of value from that trade by the time it's all said and done. In this fool's mind 4 draft picks are better than one great young player. And he can use those picks to trade for a currently great player. But that scenario does not work in reality.

 

[dafoe2016]

People here talking about swinging big with Fultz I think are missing the point IMO. Fultz isn't a guy who gets you were you want to go i think. He makes you good but He is not a #1 on a championship team. You took a risk and it got you this. If you want that Lebron/Durant/Curry type player you will need to take another risk. Without that player I don't think they can win a title so i say take the risk. If the goal is to win titles this is the way. I'd rather have a 1/10 chance of getting a Durant and winning a few titles than a 100% chance of being in the final 8 and sometimes final 4 and maybe even a finals once just to lose and never win.

Disagree. I think Fultz can be a top five player. This kid is special. And our brain dead GM wants to not only give him away, but trade him in the division.

 

[dafoe2016]

Idiotic.

When you talk sense to a fool he calls you foolish. You are an imbecile.

 

[TennisBallHead]

Danny loves the undersized guards/forwards that can't shoot.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

Yes

Lots of talented bigs and a few related to former (Manute Bol) and present (Giannis A) NBA players. Both are bigs with pg skills.

Marvin Bagley is most likely the #1 overall pick

Bol Bol in 2019!

 

[zydecochris]

After the way that Ainge fleeced the Nets in that trade, before excoriating him shouldn't we wait to see: 1) if the trade actually happens; 2) what the return / terms of the trade are?

 

[Family]

After the way that Ainge fleeced the Nets in that trade, before excoriating him shouldn't we wait to see: 1) if the trade actually happens; 2) what the return / terms of the trade are?

Yes the only reason they have the pick is because Ainge is good at his job.

 

[captain insano]

Danny loves the undersized guards/forwards that can't shoot.

danny loves to win trades. and most of the time he does.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Than explain why. Unlike you I have been watching this fool run around like a chicken with it's head cut off for over a decade. 2007 was pure luck.

The idiot is an abysmal drafter. The jury is still out on Brown. Not exactly a stellar rookie season. Ainge hasn't had a decent pick in seven years and the overwhelming majority of his picks are busts. Discovered Giannis and then took professional turd Kelly Olynyk instead. He screwed us out of at least one title with the moronic Perkins for Jeff (I clearly hate playing basketball) Green. A trade so brain dead that rivals were laughing about it and relieved when it happened.

He is a fool with zero long term plan. He has no ability to see the bigger picture. His entire train wreck of a tenure here has been throwing as much **** against the wall as he can and seeing if anything sticks. He does not understand that two mediocre players do not equal one great player.

I get that you are a casual fan. But if you are going to make a statement have some idea of what you are talking about and support with an argument. otherwise you just look foolish. Ainge is a buffoon.

Casual fan? I've been a hard core Celts fan since 1979 pal. Don't take this debate to a sports radio level.

When it comes to orchestrating trades, Danny is the best in the league. That is defensible. His player acquisition strategy is to acquire proven NBA talent. A certain guy in Foxboro has the same philosophy.

Show me another GM who is elite at drafting. Hint: you won't find one. NBA prospects are a total and complete crap shoot.

Jalen Brown is a wait and see but overall his rookie season was decent
Rozier was ok....picked #16th.
Smart is fine for #6. Could be worse. Could be better.
Olynyk at #13 from DAL was a crap shoot. He was barely a lottery pick.
Sullinger was #21. He had some value
Avery Bradley was an excellent pick at #21
Jeff Green (ultimately) was ok here for #6
Foye was traded at #7

Go back and look at the players immediately picked before/after those players and tell me if he better or worse.

Go back and look at his trades.

Go back and look at the 2 rebuilding jobs.

He lands Horford in FA, they go to the ECF with a roster with more holes than swiss cheese and people still *****.

He lands a very, very good young head coach.

He hires Doc Rivers from the scrap heap and wins COTY.

Overall Record as GM

14 Seasons
11 Playoff Appearances
4 ECF Appearances
2 Finals Appearances
1 World Championship (should be 2 if Perk doesn't blow out his knee in G6)

The problem with your analysis is you don't have perspective. You clearly have a bias against Ainge and refuse to acknowledge his body of work. 30 other NBA owners would kill for him running their teams.

 

[captain insano]

Drop dead, you ******ed piece of ****.

what a ****head.