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Minihane On Edelman: "Essentially Brain-Dead"

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Calling Edelman "brain dead" and "dummy" tells me he needs new shtick. If he wants to call out Brady and Edelman for associating with Tony Robbins or call out Brady's charity, fine...controversial hot takes are par for the course. But to openly disrespect Edelman like that is BS.

While I don't agree with what he said I think we should remind ourselves that "dummy" might as well be an insult first graders use.

Again, I don't agree with what he said and agree it wasn't nice, but if your loved ones ask you (the members here on this forum) why you are typing so furiously on the keyboard your response will be.........."well, this jerk radio personality guy called Edelman a 'dummy'"

So yes, it's in our nature to make everything Patriots a big news story but in the grand context of everything I still just don't think this is a big deal.
 
For the record, this post (and the full one from this morning I re-posted) was related to the over the top comments he made about Edelman, not about his opinion of Robbins. That's another issue and I don't have a strong enough opinion either way to argue it and feel that it's not my place to say if people do/don't like him.

The post was also about Minihane's agreement with the Globe about him believing Brady wasn't being transparent with his charity and his subsequent comments. I don't care about his opinions, it's his comments that I felt were unnecessary to get his point across. I understand that this is his schtick, but it doesn't make it any easier to take.

As I mentioned, love his podcasts, but I feel he was a definitely out of line on this.
There are times when a belief is worthy of ridicule. The practices of certain religions are so heinous that they are worth of ridicule. If a sports star supported and believed one of these guru's who help people talk to their dead loved ones that would be worthy of ridicule. Scientology is worthy of ridicule. Robbins may not add up to that but many think so, and he certainly has very questionable practices.
 
Hello and sorry to ask,,, as I live many many miles away !! But who is Tony Robbins ??
 
nothing to see except a dude exercising his right to act like an *******
 
I'm intensely skeptical of anyone who creates MLM schemes, since they're all, without exception, scams designed to bilk rubes out of their money. Tony Robbins fits into this category, and I think it's foolish for Brady to affiliate with him in any way. Not going to go nuts or make a huge deal out of it, and I'm certainly not going to speculate about Brady's motivations or anything like that. But I don't think it's out of bounds to say this is really weird and that Brady could benefit from having better advisers around him counseling him not to get involved with **** like that. I'm surprised that Don Yee didn't shut that down immediately, for example.
 
I admit I never paid any attention to the guy

Tony Robbins - Wikipedia

Me neither. He was mentioned in Tommy Boy. I think he had a cameo in Shallow Hal too. Cant really take him seriously but people think he helps them so whatever. Its a free country.

I get how people embrace him and Joel Oesteen, etc but thats not for me.

I prefer to be low-performing and sit on the couch all day.
 
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Thankyou so much on explaining who this Tony Robbins is.
 
I'm intensely skeptical of anyone who creates MLM schemes, since they're all, without exception, scams designed to bilk rubes out of their money. Tony Robbins fits into this category, and I think it's foolish for Brady to affiliate with him in any way. Not going to go nuts or make a huge deal out of it, and I'm certainly not going to speculate about Brady's motivations or anything like that. But I don't think it's out of bounds to say this is really weird and that Brady could benefit from having better advisers around him counseling him not to get involved with **** like that. I'm surprised that Don Yee didn't shut that down immediately, for example.
I wonder why Belichick and Kraft don't give him counsel.
 
I'm intensely skeptical of anyone who creates MLM schemes, since they're all, without exception, scams designed to bilk rubes out of their money. Tony Robbins fits into this category, and I think it's foolish for Brady to affiliate with him in any way. Not going to go nuts or make a huge deal out of it, and I'm certainly not going to speculate about Brady's motivations or anything like that. But I don't think it's out of bounds to say this is really weird and that Brady could benefit from having better advisers around him counseling him not to get involved with **** like that. I'm surprised that Don Yee didn't shut that down immediately, for example.
Tony Robbins is particularly troubling because he is known to use hypnosis techniques during presentations on the audience without their consent or knowledge. It is a different ball game, but if he became a Scientologist or a member of a cult or something, would people not comment or make judgement because he is a great QB? There is no question that some of Brady's stuff is out of the main stream that is for sure. For me it is really about whether he peddles his **** to others or not.
 
While I don't agree with what he said I think we should remind ourselves that "dummy" might as well be an insult first graders use.

Again, I don't agree with what he said and agree it wasn't nice, but if your loved ones ask you (the members here on this forum) why you are typing so furiously on the keyboard your response will be.........."well, this jerk radio personality guy called Edelman a 'dummy'"

So yes, it's in our nature to make everything Patriots a big news story but in the grand context of everything I still just don't think this is a big deal.
The dummy comment wasn't what made me take note. The "essentially brain-dead" caught my attention and made me immediately wonder - WTF is he getting that from? The "dummy" follow up was harmless enough but more or less made me realize I hadn't heard him wrong the first time. So I logged the quotes, like I do from different things from time to time, in case it's relevant later on.

But for me, this started last Monday when he jumped on board the Globe bandwagon and started questioning the legitimacy of Brady's own foundation and agreed that Brady wasn't being transparent, using the term "shady". Mutnanski and Callahan tried to reel him in but when he went so far as to disagree with Brady donating money to the nursing home his grandfather died in, that was a little alarming. He then continued to argue that the TB12 Foundation might not be one that does good work, essentially questioning Brady's integrity.

I took note of this because Brady does a weekly interview with him and given that Minihane started beating the "Brady's done" drum a couple of years ago, (and then had to back off when he was wrong) it's been a slight bone of contention for me from that standpoint. So I noted the quotes and moved on.

But that, combined with the Edelman comments on Friday (since both appear regularly on those stations) made me decide to include it this morning because I felt it was relevant. For anyone who read the piece, my main issue was the fact I felt the comments were off-base and unnecessary given the players. I have zero opinion regarding the Robbins thing and I do disagree with the way the Globe presented their article because it's not like the information was hidden (I found the tax return - it's online) and they treated it like they just uncovered some major scandal...it's ridiculous.

But Minihane's comments were frustrating and uncalled for, and I felt there might be some out there who were unaware and might have also agreed. So I included it.

Again, I enjoy his podcasts (enough that I fully transcribed the entire Bledsoe one) and think that on his own in that setting, he does a good job. But for some reason he loses his mind when he gets riled up on the air and some of the comments (like these) just leave you wondering what his deal is...it's bizarre.
 
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Brady is getting pretty bad with shilling all of his crap, and Edelman has a really creepy obsession with Brady, but I'd like to hear it without Minihane being a total Felger-wannabe ****wad.
 
Completely disagree. Read the entire end of this post for "context":

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The entire exchange (including the one from last Monday on Brady where he took the Globe's side on this - which is in the above post) was ridiculous and completely over the top. While I enjoy Minihane's podcasts (one of the best things he does), rants like those where he goes too far isn't something that you can just dismiss as a "throwaway". Was very disappointed when I heard both, although given his history, I wasn't completely shocked.
If that's his usual schtick, then it shouldn't be that hard to zing him without using this kind of disreputable quote farming tactic. "Minihane goes off on Edelman and Brady" would have been a very reasonable title that still had plenty of clickbait on it.

At the end of the day you're the guy running a seemingly successful news site and forum and I'm the unemployed schlub. I just don't like singling out one quote on the guy to get a sensationalist dig in on him. Smells like overkill.
 
"Tony Robbins uses to get people to do what he wants: neuro-linguistic programming, also called NLP, and Ericksonian hypnosis, a way to induce a trance without the subject knowing they are hypnotized and planting a suggestion"
EDIT: He is a bad dude.
It is unlikely that Tony Robbins is using traditional NLP when dealing with a large group. He may use elements of NLP, but traditional NLP is designed to work on a single person.

NLP requires the practitioner to develop rapport with the subject, which is dependent on "pacing". "Pacing" is achieved by mirroring a subjects non-verbal cues (breathing rate, eye movement, posture etc...) and using verbal cues to direct attention to true, easily validated shared experiences (sounds, smells etc..).

Once rapport is established the practitioner will start to lead the subject, using verbal techniques to gather relevant information from the subject's unconscious and break and create associations to modify how the subject sees and reacts to specific stimuli. Throughout this entire process, rapport must be maintained or re-established to continue leading.

Although I've seen very little of Tony Robbins, I suspect he uses a variety of techniques and modalities that are very effective on certain personality types in specific states of consciousness. There may be aspects of NLP used in data gathering or leading, but the way NLP uses pacing and feedback is certainly not part of it.

It is often very difficult to retrain the unconscious, and there are techniques that can be used that require the help of another. We must continue to change and evolve, just make sure you trust both the intentions and the intuition of anyone that you allow to help reprogram you unconscious.
 
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That actually makes it worse. The way the thread started I thought Br ady and Edelman were merely going to the thing. Now it turns out they're some level of featured guest.

Is there anything about where that extra $5805 is going? Them and Robbins? Is any going to charity? If so, which one(s)?

I'm not sure. The $6000 is for two tickets and is the max price. You can still pay $4000 for two tickets and still meet Brady and Jules.

I have no idea how much they are getting for this or if any of it is going to charity. Nothing is stated on their site.

Not sure what the big deal is. Brady loves this stuff and is passionate about positive thinking, avocados, Uggs, Expensive mattresses and PJ's. I like Brady but he's not a guy I would hang out with. I drink beer/wine, eat Pizza without avocados and wear old running shoes. Pretty sure he wouldn't hang out with me either.
 
It is unlikely that Tony Robbins is using traditional NLP when dealing with a large group. He may use elements of NLP, but traditional NLP is designed to work on a single person.

NLP requires the practitioner to develop rapport with the subject, which is dependent on "pacing". "Pacing" is achieved by mirroring a subjects non-verbal cues (breathing rate, eye movement, posture etc...) and using verbal cues to direct attention to true, easily validated shared experiences (sounds, smells etc..).

Once rapport is established the practitioner will start to lead the subject, using verbal techniques to gather relevant information from the subject's unconscious and break and create associations to modify how the subject sees and reacts to specific stimuli. Throughout this entire process, rapport must be maintained or re-established to continue leading.

Although I've seen very little of Tony Robbins, I suspect he uses a variety of techniques and modalities that are very effective on certain personality types in specific states of consciousness. There may be aspects of NLP used in data gathering or leading, but the way NLP uses pacing and feedback is certainly not part of it.

It is often very difficult to retrain the unconscious, and there are techniques that can be used that require the help of another. We must continue to change and evolve, just make sure you trust both the intentions and the intuition of anyone that you allow to help reprogram you unconscious.
woe... heavy man
 
There are times when a belief is worthy of ridicule. The practices of certain religions are so heinous that they are worth of ridicule. If a sports star supported and believed one of these guru's who help people talk to their dead loved ones that would be worthy of ridicule. Scientology is worthy of ridicule. Robbins may not add up to that but many think so, and he certainly has very questionable practices.

That's an interesting take.

However, you do realize that that Robbins dude may very well be reading patsfans.com and laughing about the fact other posters have to suffer through your posting vs obtaining true intellectual insight available by other means?

If you really want to limit the number of asshats clouding the current condition........your first contribution should be self restraint.

Next, email/text/snapface or instabook your success to Minihane. Start the trend and watch it blossom into a movement.
 
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