Patriots Rumor Butler & Saints working towards finalizing a deal (Thread now UFC Pats Fans Event)

[The Brandon Five]

I'm not sure what it is about so ok.

I was assuming that you "disliked" my post because the quoted reply only referenced the agent being a PI attorney.

 

[patfanken]

I agree, he's definitely being a big twit right now for demanding UFA money. That goes for his agent as well.

Yeah, it would seem that way except I wonder if HE's the one being the twit. Again, the fact that he came back from supposedly this great meeting in NO, and honors an obligation to do a mall signing. This doesn't seem like the actions of a self absorbed twit. If he was truly pissed off at the Pats and can't wait to get out the door, he wouldn't have been in Braintree on a Saturday afternoon. He would have been pouting in Vicksburg waiting for his payday.

Some times I wonder if his disatisfaction isn't more the result of the "its been reported" media coverage, where rumors and unverified sources are reported as fact. We've seen some REALLY tough contract negotiations here over the years, where guys like Mankins, Wolfolk and Welker really WERE pissed, and made it known directly to the press. We know how that feels. I don't get that vibe here.

 

[XLIX]

Yeah, it would seem that way except I wonder if HE's the one being the twit. Again, the fact that he came back from supposedly this great meeting in NO, and honors an obligation to do a mall signing. This doesn't seem like the actions of a self absorbed twit. If he was truly pissed off at the Pats and can't wait to get out the door, he wouldn't have been in Braintree on a Saturday afternoon. He would have been pouting in Vicksburg waiting for his payday.

Some times I wonder if his disatisfaction isn't more the result of the "its been reported" media coverage, where rumors and unverified sources are reported as fact. We've seen some REALLY tough contract negotiations here over the years, where guys like Mankins, Wolfolk and Welker really WERE pissed, and made it known directly to the press. We know how that feels. I don't get that vibe here.

This. Anyone who thinks these are contentious negotiations must have become a Patriots fan sometime around 2013....

 

[fnordcircle]

I guess I just don't understand what he'd be hot about. He's got a $4 million offer in front of him for a year, and untold millions after that. He's doing absolutely fine. It's weird.

I worked at a job for 5 years. Got someone hired who was my peer at a previous company and they hired him on at a higher pay grade. After the extra hours and effort I had put in I was pretty annoyed. I don't know why people think this sort of dynamic changes when there's more zeroes to the left of the decimal point.

 

[Pats Fanatic]

I was assuming that you "disliked" my post because the quoted reply only referenced the agent being a PI attorney.

Sorry about that I hit the wrong button.

 

[makoute]

Then franchised the next year hopefully.

I don't think BB would do that.

 

[Marqui]

I don't think BB would do that.

Why not? Don't say because they never pay 2 elite players at the same position, that's a lie.

 

[CutiePie]

for pick # 11.........absolutely

otherwise......i would prefer BB could work something out with butler

 

[makoute]

Why not? Don't say because they never pay 2 elite players at the same position, that's a lie.

It would only probably happen if they were trying to trade him. I don't think the team would want another Mankins situation on their hand.

 

[Ring 6]

I do not believe this is correct. I would have to check the CBA to verify this. My impression has always been that if he actually signs the tender, he is then considered under contract with the Patriots, which limits his ability to talk freely with other teams, receive formal offer sheets, visit facilities, etc.
Yes we have already established several days ago that officially this is correct, but unofficially a sign-and-trade is what, for all intents and purposes, could happen (similar to the Welker trade).
Of course they can. You are not allowed to tender a player in bad faith for the purposes of restricting their movement, but NE and NO most certainly can discuss hypotheticals such as "would you take the #32 for Butler if we come to a separate contract agreement with him?"

Teams are not allowed to discuss trading a player who is not under contract. BB and Lombardi have both explained this. (BB being a quote from awhile back regarding peppers I believe)

 

[The Scrizz]

I worked at a job for 5 years. Got someone hired who was my peer at a previous company and they hired him on at a higher pay grade. After the extra hours and effort I had put in I was pretty annoyed. I don't know why people think this sort of dynamic changes when there's more zeroes to the left of the decimal point.

If you were union and your contract was up in a year giving you the option to make the same you couldn't be too annoyed.

Why do people keep comparing this to other jobs? There is a set structure to this.

 

[XLIX]

Teams are not allowed to discuss trading a player who is not under contract. BB and Lombardi have both explained this. (BB being a quote from awhile back regarding peppers I believe)

Could you please provide the exact quote and context? I am not buying what you are selling. (Not to mention that even if it can't officially be done, that doesn't mean they couldn't have had "unofficial" talks about what BB would demand for, say, a hypothetical top-level CB the Pats had RFA rights to)

 

[XLIX]

If you were union and your contract was up in a year giving you the option to make the same you couldn't be too annoyed.

Why do people keep comparing this to other jobs? There is a set structure to this.

You're right there is a set structure and you're right that Butler is bound by the CBA, which dictates the rules behind restricted free agency.

But nevertheless, it is simple human nature to have a degree of resentment - and sometimes a very large one - when Johnny-Comes-Lately shows up and starts out-earning you by a significant amount on day 1.

 

[Ring 6]

Could you please provide the exact quote and context? I am not buying what you are selling. (Not to mention that even if it can't officially be done, that doesn't mean they couldn't have had "unofficial" talks about what BB would demand for, say, a hypothetical top-level CB the Pats had RFA rights to)

I'm not selling anything I am providing you information.

There was an article recently relating when peppers was an RFA who had not signed a tender and BB was asked about if he was trying to trade for him. BB was adamant that you cannot discuss trading a player who is not under contract, end of story. He made it clear he won't be doing that behind the scenes as it is wholly against the rules.

Lombardi tweeted it today.

I'm sure you can find both with a google search.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

 

[Ring 6]

That's not correct.

He's an RFA now. Once he signs NE's tender is no longer an RFA but instead is a regular, under contract player who can no longer even (legally) whisper to any team other than NE without NE's permission. Signing your team's tender offer is signing a contract.

I don't believe that is the case but could be wrong
Do you have a link to back this up?

 

[Ring 6]

I'd just really like to see what our defense would be like with both Gilmore and Butler. Plus after losing Adam I really want Butler to be a Patriot for life. You only get so many Superbowl heroes in a lifetime.

I don't fault Butler at all and I'm sure this is an emotionally charged issue for him. But I do wish he'd consider what his life will be like after his NFL career is over.

In New England he'll be immortal. In New Orleans he'll be a guy who played for the Saints. In New England he'll have endorsement opportunities until he dies. I hope he's factoring that into his choices no matter how hot he might be about it all right now.

We have the hero of heroes for life.

 

[Ring 6]

NO will give back the 32. NE wants the 11. There's an obvious compromise - NE gets the 32 plus other lesser picks/players and I'd bet that's what they are haggling over. MB probably isn't playing in NE in 2017, but he doesn't necessarily have to play for NO either. NE can match any offer sheet and try to trade him. My guess is neither team wants that.

At the end of the day, maybe Goodell makes the decision as to which No.1 goes to NE. No one wants that either. Knowing that clown, Butler will have to sit out a year and both Saints 1s will be forfeited because . . . "integrity."

They aren't haggling because you are not allowed to discuss trading a player who is not under contract.

If the butler signs the tender then gets immediately traded to the saints goodell will take away our entire 2018 draft for clearly and blatantly violating the rules.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

There was an article recently relating when peppers was an RFA who had not signed a tender and BB was asked about if he was trying to trade for him. BB was adamant that you cannot discuss trading a player who is not under contract, end of story

True. However, Butler only became a player not under contract March 4th or March 9th, or whenever the universal NFL magic contract expiration day is.

If BB decided some time during the season or post-season or in the immediately after-SB51 timeframe that Butler wouldn't be with NE long-term, he could have legally talked with the Saints then and worked out parameters of a deal, especially since (reportedly) BB was high on Cooks at least since the joint pre-season practices, so it's not at all unreasonable to believe he's been thinking about it.

 

[PatsFan2]

I know BB's saying 11 but what if the Saints Offer back #32 and #42 in return??? I can live with that's a lot of good players in range to choose from.