Butler's agent in search for 1st rounder + big contract

[borg]

Good read on Butler, his agent, and getting to NE

WSW: Butler Beats The Odds

 

[sambam94]

not in their world, but it always baffles me how a player can be upset at say only getting say a 3 year $30m contract over a 3 year $36m. Is it just their competitive nature of wanting to earn more than their peers? Either way they are set for life and the difference would not effect their lifestyle at all.
Gambling you will stay healthy 1 more year to gain a few more million seems insane to me.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

not in their world, but it always baffles me how a player can be upset at say only getting say a 3 year $30m contract over a 3 year $36m. Is it just their competitive nature of wanting to earn more than their peers? Either way they are set for life and the difference would not effect their lifestyle at all.
Gambling you will stay healthy 1 more year to gain a few more million seems insane to me.

I wanted to ask the same question: how does 1-3 million dollars less over a period, say, 4-5 years make life significantly worse for athletes receiving 20+ million dollars?

Any millonares on patsfan that want to share some insight?

 

[ChessToCheckers]

I love Malcolm Butler and don't want to see him on any other team.

That said, he's an RFA.

I'm not sure how anything the Pats have done here is unexpected or unfair to him.

Of course he needs to test the market and he is doing that. It's just business.

In the end, he'll probably sign the tender, accept the raise in salary, and play his heart out for us for another season. At that point, he's UFA and can expect another raise! The alternative is that some team will give up a first round pick and offer him mega-money. He is simply waiting to see if that happens. In my mind, it's hard to blame him for that.

 

[varjao]

Imagine the situation of Butler making peanuts and then Gilmore gets toasted for 2 TD's in a game. That could create a bad situation in the locker room.

The moment BB signed Gilmore, Butler was gone. Unless they decide to redirect the money they would give to Hightower to Butler, that way the secondary would be set for years, and then use draft capital this year and the next to strength the front 7.

BB can sniff a problem from miles away, so all this situation about inexperienced agent and high demands, he may have made up his mind some time ago. So Butler work his ass off and then BB goes and sign an outsider? yes. The theory that BB rewards the hard workers that were home grown is true if you have a tied up situation, if he sees the outsider Free Agent as a better fit/upside then it's all about business baby, and whatever his decision was, the roster needs to understand and trust the man who call the shots. Any sign of disruption and BB will eliminate the problems from the root.

 

[patchick]

Butler could have chosen that route and taken the 5 year $35m deal that was likely on the table. He didn't.

not in their world, but it always baffles me how a player can be upset at say only getting say a 3 year $30m contract over a 3 year $36m.

Can I ask where everyone is getting these numbers from? I keep seeing (conflicting) references to long-term contracts that Butler supposedly turned down at various points, but if there's a reliable source for that info I've missed it. Do we even know for certain that the Pats made any long-term offer at all? Link please?

I'm also a little puzzled that the idea of Butler's agent shopping around for a suitor is considered a big deal. Surely that's his job? It's pretty routine for RFAs to seek a market-value deal with another team -- just ask Chris Hogan and Wes Welker. Obviously the 1st-round tender makes it a hard sell, but you have to at least try.

 

[PatsDeb]

I don't begrudge Malcolm for trying to do the best he can per se, but I will be really mad at a hold out. Please don't go there Malcolm.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree.
What other team is gonna want to deal with his agent?
Guy is hurting his client in a big way.

Its a challenging situation for him.

I can't say if his agent is really messing this up or not but IMO his agent did not do Malcolm any favors by rejecting a rumored 4yr/$10m AAV deal. It was obviously going to be at a "discount" but thats the situation he is in. Hes a RFA. He has zip for leverage. Hes a little older. NFL careers are short. Lots of CBs in the draft class. Lots of things working against him.

While hes trying to get in a FA market that is missing top CB talent, hes really hurting his client by burning a bridge with a team that (up until recently) wanted him long term.

If I were Malcolm's agent I would have advised him to take the deal the Pats were offering with as much guaranteed $ as possible. If that came to pass (which it did) then I would have advised Malcolm to sign the tender and play for the $3.91m and Hit FA in 2018.

Its just unfortunate

 

[BelichickFan]

Can I ask where everyone is getting these numbers from? I keep seeing (conflicting) references to long-term contracts that Butler supposedly turned down at various points, but if there's a reliable source for that info I've missed it. Do we even know for certain that the Pats made any long-term offer at all? Link please?

We don't know what the offer was or what the following offer was (sounds like they were in a decent spot 12 months ago but after this season didn't get any further) :

 

[Love The Drake]

Sounds about right.
So if he sees hes not getting Patrick Peterson money which I said all along will he come to his senses and all is forgiven with Pats?
I have a feeling if a team even offers 1 Mill more then the Pats are he prefers to not be great.
What I see here is a E hollywood story spiraling out of control it starts with a magical play a unlikey asscent up the depth chart and it ends going to a team like the Bengals getting arrested with Pacman and then being a majority owner of a Pop Eyes chicken as opposed to a worker but on the flip side Patriots are winning lombardi number 8 and the phone rings and hes told his team is going in another direction.

Not pretty

 

[Froob]

Butler for Chase Daniel?

 

[shmessy]

I don't begrudge Malcolm for trying to do the best he can per se, but I will be really mad at a hold out. Please don't go there Malcolm.

When did Malcolm or his agent even intimate anything about a holdout?

He has never said one word in public about being ticked off at the incredible discount he played at last year or the year before - after the SB 49 interception. He merely worked his butt off and became better and better.

He now is an RFA - - he has every right to do what he and his agent are doing right now. He is quietly playing within the rules. He's no Logan Mankins, that's for sure.

Malcolm Butler has been nothing but a good soldier. Please don't project anything upon him. He doesn't deserve that.

.

 

[Rdforty2]

Gilmore quit on the field against the Patriots, go watch Hogan torching him, he stopped chasing

Didn't stop Belichick from paying him, people look at a bigger picture than a couple of plays.

Quitting for months/the season and quitting for a few plays are not remotely the same thing.

 

[farn]

Butler for Chase Daniel?

Whoa. Why in the world would anyone cheering for NE want this to happen ?

 

[Froob]

Whoa. Why in the world would anyone cheering for NE want this to happen ?

Chase Daniel about ready to blossom, trade Brady, Garoppollo and Brissett for picks .

 

[farn]

Chase Daniel about ready to blossom, trade Brady, Garoppollo and Brissett for picks .

I like you. But, yikes...

 

[XLIX]

If Butler does not sign his tender by a certain date the Patriots have the right to drop the tender down to $600,000. I would say that the Pats are clearly in the drivers seat in this situation and Butlers rep is clearly in over his head.

There's no evidence at this time that that is the case. People in here are criticizing Butler's agent for no reason other than the fact that he is not giving NE a club-friendly deal.

I reserve the right to re-evaluate if more information comes out, or if Butler does something truly self destructive. But right now the above post is ridiculous. You're criticizing Butler (and his agent) for something that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Froob]

I like you. But, yikes...

Hah no really though, I don't think anybody is taking Chase Daniel. Philly gave him quite a bit of money and he isn't that good.

 

[XLIX]

And then they franchise tag him for the next two seasons. Then he's 30 years old

So I'll put you in the list of people who are OK with letting Garoppolo walk for nothing.

I'm not sure the folks in Foxboro agree with that, but it's a valid opinion.

 

[1960Pats]

What? The coverage was about as good as it could get on the circus catch and he actually showed enough awareness to see that the receiver had caught the ball and pushed him out of bounds.

If the Pats had lost that game after that catch it was Harmon who would have had to answer questions. I couldn't believe that he jumped over Kearse instead of knocking the ball away.