Butler's agent in search for 1st rounder + big contract

[patchick]

Signing Gilmore and paying him $40m GTD while leaving him out there earning peanuts was always going to create resentment, he's never playing for the Pats at the tender number if he doesn't get traded he'll hold out until mid season until the deadline where he still gets a credited season.

Didn't the latest CBA do away with all that? IIRC a player now has to show up for work 30 days before the first game to tally their accrued season. (What I'm not sure about is the deadline for signing a RFA tender.)

 

[deroc5050]

We'll see. I love me some Butler, but teams usually put out of this world value on 1st rounders & they may not like MB as much as hometown fans do.

Butler wasn't a 1 hit wonder, He has been consistently good for 2 seasons now. I think he is a top corner in the league. I think. I don't really study CB's but Butler has been noticeably good for us. Consistent.

Even if he plays below his standards this season he will still cash in big time. Unless he completely falls off the cliff. Or a major injury.

I wonder what the Pats offered him?

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

Right but there could be a part 2 that would obviously be contingent on him signing the tender with us.

Actually, his agent could work out a contract with the saints, without him signing his tender, at that point the Pats and saints could renegotiate the trade comp.

 

[BelichickFan]

Eve if he could and did hold out, we've already replaced him so it's all good. We do need to replace Ryan though.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

If nobody offers him a deal that he agrees to we keep him for $4M this year or we can trade him if we want. If he agrees to an offer sheet we have the ability to either match the offer, or he signs with the other team and we get that team's first round pick.

The player and his team are not required to stick to the tender. In addition to the scenarios you mentioned, NE and Butler can also negotiate a contract that would supersede the tender.

 

[JMC00]

Signing Gilmore and paying him $40m GTD while leaving him out there earning peanuts was always going to create resentment

Well that's on his inexperienced, incompetent agent. It's pretty much an unwritten rule that when a player wants a deal before they are a UFA that they take less to buy off the low-cost team controlled years (see Gronk) If Butler went to the Pats and said 4 years/$40m he would get it. Instead Pats have him for $3.9m this year and have no incentive to give him a huge deal and yet he's sitting there wanting 5 years/$65m after 2 years of good play. There is absolutely no reason why the Pats would give that a year earlier than they should unless they had an incentive to which was Butler giving them a discount but getting a bump in pay.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Didn't the latest CBA do away with all that? IIRC a player now has to show up for work 30 days before the first game to tally their accrued season. (What I'm not sure about is the deadline for signing a RFA tender.)

Don't believe so. CBA was in 2011, right? Wasn't Mankins's holdout after that?

 

[BelichickFan]

Don't believe so. CBA was in 2011, right? Wasn't Mankins's holdout after that?

Mankins' holdout was 2010. Time flies.

 

[slam]

If you were Cleveland would you propose a trade for the first pick of the 2nd round for Butler, at which point you would give him the Gilmore contract? I think the Pats would go for it.

Irrespective of the Jimmy situation.

 

[BobDigital]

Well, I don't know about this strategy..
Lombardi seems to be right again.

One should always remember where he came from .. and who made him..

If Butler gets injured this year his career could be over for all we know and he has 2-3M (after taxes, agent fees and other expenses) to his name. If he gets a big contract he has 20-40M sure that is bullet proof and maybe 20-30M more depends on the length.

That is security for yourself and your family and your children for life. Why would you gamble on being healthy another year when you don't know if it is a certainty?

 

[Simpelton]

Could we do our selves a favor for once and not try to ride Butler or his agent out of town on a rail until we're actually sure he';s gone?

I know one thing though -- a consistent CB1 like Butler is worth more than a first round pick to most teams. He's right to do his due dilligence here.

 

[BelichickFan]

Could we do our selves a favor for once and not try to ride Butler or his agent out of town on a rail until we're actually sure he';s gone?

With what Gilmore and DMac are making, it's a virtual certainty Butler is gone. It's just a matter of how and when. It's fairly clear to me that Bill got frustrated dealing with his agent and when he had the chance to replace him with Gilmore jumped. Now we just need to "monetize" Butler's value the best we can.

 

[BobDigital]

If I were the Pats just to end this I would sign him to a 2 year 21M contract.

Be like. "We are going to franchise you after this year, so lets get you paid fairly well now and work it out after 2 years with a contract stipulation we will not franchise you after the 2nd year".

I think he would go for that if put in those terms. It is more secure and paying him 10.5M a year will make him happier than 4M.

I wonder if that is workable. Make 15M of it guaranteed as a sweetener and we have him under a very good contract for 2 years and no bad feelings plus he is paid only 3-4M less than what he is worth and even more than Talib. I think he can play happily under that.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

If Butler gets injured this year his career could be over for all we know and he has 2-3M (after taxes, agent fees and other expenses) to his name. If he gets a big contract he has 20-40M sure that is bullet proof and maybe 20-30M more depends on the length.

That is security for yourself and your family and your children for life. Why would you gamble on being healthy another year when you don't know if it is a certainty?

I don't know, but lots of guys do it. That's the whole premise of Jerry Maguire. Me? If I were a professional athlete, I would have done what you suggest; compromise on first contract to set myself up for life, then prioritize money, winning, location, etc. in second contract. But that's just me.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

 

[BelichickFan]

If I were the Pats just to end this I would sign him to a 2 year 21M contract.

Be like. "We are going to Franchise you after this year, so lets get you paid fairly well now and work it out after 2 years with a contract stipulation we will not franchise you after the 2nd year".

I think he would go for that if put in those terms. It is more secure and paying him 10.5M a year will make him happier than 4M.

I wonder if that is workable.

If we took the RFA #, added the Franchise #, subtracted a couple million (benefit to Patriots) and guaranteed about 75% of both years(benefits Butler) then maybe. UFA again at 29 but secure for life now.

 

[Love The Drake]

hopefully we can keep him.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

What a bleepin mess

 

[long distance]

If Butler gets injured this year his career could be over for all we know and he has 2-3M (after taxes, agent fees and other expenses) to his name. If he gets a big contract he has 20-40M sure that is bullet proof and maybe 20-30M more depends on the length.

That is security for yourself and your family and your children for life. Why would you gamble on being healthy another year when you don't know if it is a certainty?

If he wanted security he and his agent would sign Pats offer last offseason. I believe it was reasonable like most Pats offers are. He would have lots of money in the bank now, he would be on the team that made him and put him in the best position to succeed . and he would be in a position to sign another big deal in a few years.
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[BobDigital]

You know the thing is we talk about Butler's agent screwing this up. Maybe and maybe not but he won't lose in the end cause it is about supply and demand and the supply of legit #1 CBs is low.