Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[ScottishPatriots]

If they don't trade him they get a 2nd rounder at best next year because you'd lose all leverage with the tag cause no way they will pay a backup $25m and no way will he sign a contract to spend 3-4 years more as a backup.

It's basically a 1 year insurance policy move if he stays cause he's gone next year for much less either that or Brady is gone, zero chance both are here beyond 2017 season.

I hope it's just to ramp up the price, i think not trading him is stupid with 1 year left on his contract and his value will never be higher.

 

[sambam94]

I don't think it's that complicated.. if BB believes JG is a franchise QB, then he would be a fool to trade him...unless he gets blown away with picks

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I am saying it's a 40 year old body. Brady has been sacked alot in his career but he hasn't taken a beating like some of these other QBs.

I'm rooting for Brisset, but I think people started to overhyped him hardcore after 2 games

The defense and special teams won that game against the Texans by covering up all of JB's weaknesses... and he had that awesome QB scramble for a TD.. they used all kinds of creativity and scheming to win that game, and it was a great win... but they would not be able to replicate that with any consistency over the season, so I think they were a bit lucky in sneaking that win out against Houston and you could tell from the pure joy and excitement of that team and coach's after they won that game that they knew they stole a nice W from them

Then we got annihilated by the Bills at home and JG looked like exactly what he was... a developmental, rookie project at QB

Hopefully he improves a lot, because as others have pointed out with past backups like Hoyer and Mallet being the only other QB on the roster as ROOKIES to Brady... so they're either playing head games thru the media or they are not even remotely confident in Jacoby being the sole backup to Brady

 

[Huckleberry1]

BB just finished reading " The Art of the Deal"

If they trade both Brady and Garrapolo for Clipboard Jesus, and then go bankrupt in a year we will know you are right.

 

[patfanken]

What ASTOUNDS me is that Schecter comes out with a report from "a league source" and suddenly, the longer this thread run, people are treating it as if it were gospel, like it came from BB himself.

BTW- to day NO ONE has come up with a reasonable scenario that supports the Pats carrying a $50MM cap charge in 2018 at QB.

BTW-2 People who say, "how can you not keep a future franchise QB when your starter is 40 yrs old". Well I'll tell you when. When that QB is still better than the "future franchise QB"

BTW-3 - It's like some people believe that the same QB who threw for closse to 500 yds in the superbowl will suddenly lose it overnight. Brady's skills WILL deterorate, but it will be a much slower process than some people believe. Because his game doesn't rely so much on the physical, he is more likely to lose his will and focus, before his arm dies. IMHO, IF Brady trains and plays with the same maniacal will and drive he has now, he will STILL be a better QB than JG 3 years from now.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I won't believe he's not being traded until draft day comes and goes and he remains a Patriot. I do like this being the public perception, though. If anyone thinks a second round pick is going to cut it, they can **** right off. The Pats know they have a very good QB as their backup, they know Brady is 40, and they know they'll get a third round comp pick if he leaves after this year in FA. To convince the Pats to part with an excellent QB, it's going to take one hell of an offer... but an offer that's well within reason for any QB-needy team to make.

San Francisco, Cleveland, Houston and Chicago are pretty much bent over a barrel here. They all have the need and the assets to make a godfather offer for Garopppolo. If they choose not to, then **** em, let them rot in no-QB hell for another decade. I hope none of those GMs is a fan of having a job, because going into next season with the **** they have at QB is exactly how you lose yours. If they want to get serious about being legitimate NFL franchises (and keeping their jobs), OTOH, then they'll have to make a real, compelling offer with the full knowledge that there's no firesale to be had here. We don't need to trade him, and frankly we don't even want to trade him unless you give us an offer we can't refuse.

 

[deters]

Only 3 options imo. He stays and resigns with NE meaning Brady retires after 2018 season, or we trade him now, or he walks at end of 2017.

 

[patfanken]

The " back-up" crap, as you called it is about PatriotsPimp repeatedly saying that getting a top 15 pick for Garrapolo is getting "fleeced," and that anything less than multiple first round picks is a bad deal. I like Garrapolo but he is a back-up and getting a top 15 pick, and especially a top 3 pick, is getting a really good return on a back-up QB who only has six quarters of live experience. And saying that Garrapolo is a back-up is simply stating a fact, as he is the back-up, he isn't the Patriots starter.

Most of the good QB's who have played in the NFL started out as back ups, including Kurt Warner who just got in the HOF. The short list I gave were the rule not the exception, so I don't buy your argument that JG is just a "back up".

Now I'm of the belief that some sort of #1 pick plus others SHOULD be the deal they can accept simply because THAT is what the market seems to be for a QB you project to be likely to become your franchise guy. Just look at what teams have already done to get to that guy. From RGIII to the Vikings QB, so why not JG. Also JG's value is inflated this year because of the existence of a very weak QB class. With the exception perhaps Shanahan, any HC who picks a QB high in the first round is unlikely to still be there when and if that QB ever pans out.

I don't think any fan base who roots for a team that desperately needs a QB would rather have some college kid (at any position) than JG. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd pick might be enough, but any lower IMHO would require additional picks.

And as I've said the most doable deal I see, is to the Bears for the 34th pick this year and a 3rd or 4th, plus their first and 7th next year.

BTW- it just occurred to me. Since Roger stole the Seattle 4th round pick from us, what would happen if the Pats get a 4th round pick in trade, to they take that one too, or do they give us back the Seattle pick and take the one that's higher. Just a thought

 

[Edelmania]

I agree. I thought Brissett was terrible. I just rewatched the Houston game. He absolutely sucked. He was the beneficiary of great field position several times. The only good thing you can really say is he didn't turn it over and picked up some good gains running the ball. He didn't complete ANY passes over 10 yards in the air and ALL of his completions were from behind the LOS to 5 yards.

Yes I know, they limit the playbook, etc., but he sucked. if he's the starter (God Forbid) the Pats are 6-10 if they're lucky. Oh, and don't get me started on how piss poor he was vs Buffalo....

Before you trash on Brissett, take into account that he was at the beginning of his rookie year and was thrown into the fire with almost no first team reps. Im not saying hes anything like Jimmy G but I think he has potential for the future and could do decent as a backup if needed.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the broken thumb.

 

[bruce_w]

What a surprise!!! LLOLL!! I hate to say it but................. Nah I like to say it.
I TOLD YOU SO!!!

 

[Rob0729]

I won't believe anything on Garoppolo until he is traded or the draft comes and goes and he is still on the roster. Until then, any report you hear you can take with a grain of salt.

I see no way Belichick ever says that he won't even listen to offers for Garoppolo. He might say that he won't listen to offers unless the trade package is going to blow him away, but never that he won't listen at all.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

BTW- it just occurred to me. Since Roger stole the Seattle 4th round pick from us, what would happen if the Pats get a 4th round pick in trade, to they take that one too, or do they give us back the Seattle pick and take the one that's higher. Just a thought

They lose the highest pick they have in the 4th round. If they acquire a pick higher than SEA's, they get SEA's back and lose the new one.

 

[bruce_w]

This might be to drive up the price of obtaining JG.

Oh boy

Not sure if there is already a thread on this.


Edit: Mods please edit Garoppolo in the title..

I guess people just aren't going to believe it until the new contract is signed. Relax people high draft picks aren't as great as you people think they are. You would think that people would know BB a little better by now.

 

[The Gr8est]

Most of the good QB's who have played in the NFL started out as back ups, including Kurt Warner who just got in the HOF. The short list I gave were the rule not the exception, so I don't buy your argument that JG is just a "back up".

Now I'm of the belief that some sort of #1 pick plus others SHOULD be the deal they can accept simply because THAT is what the market seems to be for a QB you project to be likely to become your franchise guy. Just look at what teams have already done to get to that guy. From RGIII to the Vikings QB, so why not JG. Also JG's value is inflated this year because of the existence of a very weak QB class. With the exception perhaps Shanahan, any HC who picks a QB high in the first round is unlikely to still be there when and if that QB ever pans out.

I don't think any fan base who roots for a team that desperately needs a QB would rather have some college kid (at any position) than JG. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd pick might be enough, but any lower IMHO would require additional picks.

And as I've said the most doable deal I see, is to the Bears for the 34th pick this year and a 3rd or 4th, plus their first and 7th next year.

BTW- it just occurred to me. Since Roger stole the Seattle 4th round pick from us, what would happen if the Pats get a 4th round pick in trade, to they take that one too, or do they give us back the Seattle pick and take the one that's higher. Just a thought

You got it, we'd lose the higher pick. Technically, I'm not sure the 4th rounder has been taken yet. We just know it WILL be taken once the draft is underway sometime in the 4th round.

 

[XLIX]

I don't think anyone is saying that. Its just business.

The post I responded to said:

"I have told my coworkers for a few years the next Tom Brady is in the pipeline. After seeing JG play, I believe that even more."

Yes, people are saying Garoppolo is the next Tom Brady. Based on 6 quarters of action (before getting hurt).

 

[Ring 6]

Is there any chance of locking him up to a deal similar to the one Nick Foles had? I think it was somewhere around high end backup money (6m a yr).

It's obviously not good value and I doubt that Belichick would want to pay that much to someone sitting on the bench, but this is a bit of a unique situation and it's certainly possible the idea of a transition is at least being considered. Of course, the biggest obstacle may be JG wanting to see more playing time sooner rather than later.

Any thoughts on this line of thinking?

I think Jimmy isn't going to sit on the bench when he can go somewhere else to play (and get big time money)
I think tom Brady is QB of NEP as long as he wants.

 

[Guts]

Brady just had the biggest championship performance in sports history. The last image of the 2016 season was him hoisting the Lombardi. The guy is still the best QB in the game with no signs of decline. I'm all about thinking for the future, but it is not here yet.

 

[shmessy]

Before you trash on Brissett, take into account that he was at the beginning of his rookie year and was thrown into the fire with almost no first team reps. Im not saying hes anything like Jimmy G but I think he has potential for the future and could do decent as a backup if needed.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the broken thumb.

Look below at my sig.

That is the football "genius" with whom you are arguing.

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[mosslost]

BB has mastered the art of trading players one year too soon, he benched hometown hero Bernie Kosar. If he thinks JG is the real deal, you can rest assured JG will be the next Pats QB, even if it means losing a year or two of Brady's career.

BB always looks at the big picture. This is why the Pats are consistently at the top of the league.

In my opinion, today's news on JG made the offseason and secures another decade of title contention in New England.

what???

 

[SaCaCh]

Teams in the upper part of the draft were probably only offering their 2nd rounders. We leak this info to put the pressure on them to cave.