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Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

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I'd be more shocked if Belichick came out and said "We're trading JIMMY!"
 
This news means absolutely NOTHING and shouldn't be counted as news at all.

Even if Belichick himself truly believes he won't trade Garrapolo, even HE wouldn't know that's how it's going to play out in the end?

We all know Bill wouldn't turn down an offer he couldn't refuse? (Otherwise he'd refuse it, duh)

Gotta be garbage offers. I still believe some of these teams will blink and give them multiple picks after these college QBs are evaluated
 
Well Giselle reportedly ask her husband to retire three times after the super bowl, maybe theres something up. Just sayin, you never know.

I think if Brady ever DID retire, he'd pull a Brett Favre and comeback to the NFL prior to the season anyway.

I mean, it does make sense for him to retire (5 titles and ending on an absolute high) but he just isn't the retiring type (at least not while he can still play effectively).
 
He could still be traded but bb's not getting fleeced. He values jimmy's potential. Just because it doesn't happen now doesn't mean it can happen later.
You can't trade him when his contract is expired.
But you said he is staying beyond his contract and replacing Brady in 2019.
 
You can't trade him when his contract is expired.
But you said he is staying beyond his contract and replacing Brady in 2019.

Lol. No one knows at this point. Bill's a better poker player than these other gms.
 
BB wants to stay coaching after Brady. This is a gamble on his part to be labeled a failure without Brady. QB is the most important part of success.

If he feels he can get a few players this year and a high enough pick next year to pick up Brady's possible replacement with foresight into next years QB class. He moves JG. Brissette can play into this equation if they truly believe in him.

Otherwise he keeps JG. Franchises or signs him long term next year. We know this is not BB's normal philosophy. But he always does what is best for the team now and long term. He will not coach a average QB and think he can win consistently. He also loves history of the NFL. The only teams that moved on from Great QB's and kept winning were Young and Rodgers.
 
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Something I've come to think - your post really encapsulates it, as does Lombardi's quoted tweet above - is that perhaps there's just no way to bridge the distance between what the Patriots know about JG and what the rest of the NFL scouts can discern based upon his relatively small in-game sample size.

Put another way, if the 49ers knew what the Patriots knew, then maybe they'd be willing to give up a #3 pick for a guy who will play like an upper tier starter for the entirety of a 5 year contract. They don't know that though, and they don't want to take the risk of guessing and striking out at such a high cost - hence an unbridgeable gap between the cost to acquire JG and the ability for another team to feel confident in surrendering the necessary cost.

I'm glad BB doesn't get caught up in media hype to plan for the future of the team.
so what better way to show the rest of the league what BB thinks of JG than to announce they are not willing to trade him?
 
This simply means that BB thinks Jimmy is a very good franchise-level QB in a league starved for them. He's not going to get low balled. If no one offers the high price he wants, he simply won't trade him. He has all the leverage and he's using it.

When the chips are on the table, GMs in Cleveland, Chicago et al aren't going to just let a franchise QB slip away because they're not willing to pay a first rounder for him.
 
I think Reiss is very much onto something with the extra conditional #1 pick(s). If the core issue here is information and valuation asymmetry--the Pats believe, based on their superior information and assumptions, that Jimmy G is way better and worth way more than the specific market buyers are willing to pay (including the insurance value to TB12 in 2017, there is a way to solve that problem and bridge the gap. It just takes a little more creativity and complexity in the deal making.

It's done all the time in business transactions like M&A. Seller thinks business is worth a lot more than the buyer is willing to pay. They agree to exchange $X now plus a contingent payment based on how the business performs under new owner.

Same concept/solution possible here. Exchange something now like a #1 or #2 plus other goodies, and based on a mutually agreed/acceptable definition of JG's "performance" for the new team over time, much more value is exchanged, such as future #1s+. Said differently, if buyer KNEW they could get 3-5 years of really good franchise level QB play from JG starting this next season, they'd willingly give up a lot more.
I see how that works in the context of the NFL from the Buyer's perspective, but I'm not sure what the Seller gets out of it.

Players' contracts are sometimes structured around incentives like Games Started, making the Pro-Bowl, being named All-Pro, etc., but it's hard to imagine how such a Trade could be structured where the benefit wouldn't be 90% on the side of the Buyer.

If I'm the Seller, I'm thinking that there are too many variables outside of my control that could come into play in the performance of a QB that I might be trading...strength of schedule, Offensive Line performance, Running Back and Receiver performance, injuries to one or more players, etc. So, I'd want full value up front. Period.

Anything else would just be sweetening the deal because I really don't want to sell but I might let him go if you're willing to pay more than he's worth (Dan Snyder and Woody Johnson come to mind).

It might work for a Team that's trying to unload a Cap-heavy player, but that's not the case with Garoppolo.

In a business transaction a Seller doesn't (rationally) sell a business for less than the Seller determines to be its economic value. It's possible to structure an Earn-out whereby the Seller shares in an identifiable upside, but an earn-out is usually put in place when the Buyer knows that the future success of the business depends on the continued involvement of the Seller.

If a Buyer isn't willing to pay what the Seller thinks the business is worth, a rational Seller seeks another Buyer. But, as with the Trade, a Seller who really doesn't want to sell might let the business go if someone is willing to pay more than it's worth.

I think both the NFL and the Business example would fall under the general heading of The Greater Fool theory.

Of course, in the case of a so-called Merger of Equals, both sides are incented to make the deal work, but an NFL trade bears no resemblance to a Merger of Equals.
 
This simply means that BB thinks Jimmy is a very good franchise-level QB in a league starved for them. He's not going to get low balled. If no one offers the high price he wants, he simply won't trade him. He has all the leverage and he's using it.

When the chips are on the table, GMs in Cleveland, Chicago et al aren't going to just let a franchise QB slip away because they're not willing to pay a first rounder for him.

I think bill's asking for more than just a first rounder. I find it hard to believe that a
team wouldn't offer a first rounder in a QB class that's one of the weakest in recent memory. That would be a steal for jimmy
 
Just read Reiss' latest. His personal opinion(and he made clear it was HIS opinion/tea leave reading, not BB's)was the Pats will keep JG for 2017 unless they get an offer they feel they can't turn down-his interpretation is a2017 1st rounder plus a conditional 1st rounder. Fwiw
 
I think bill's asking for more than just a first rounder. I find it hard to believe that a
team wouldn't offer a first rounder in a QB class that's one of the weakest in recent memory. That would be a steal for jimmy
Don't underestimate the stupidity of these other teams.
 
Are you forgetting his throwing hands' thumb went crunch under Wilfork and he played through torn ligaments?

Way to pile on a dude who gutted it out playing a position you pretty much need a functional thumb to even throw a football.

I see a guy who throws a fastball that is hard to catch. I see a guy who has a long, ponderous release. I see a guy who is only marginally accurate. I see a guy who is not accurate enough to run a dink and dunk Offense like Brady and Polo can do. He does have a strong arm and might be able to run a long ball Eli, Matty Ice or Flacco long ball Offense. He may be heady. But also I see a major change in the Patriots Offense needed, to fully exploit his talents. Those things dont change.
 
Just read Reiss' latest. His personal opinion(and he made clear it was HIS opinion/tea leave reading, not BB's)was the Pats will keep JG for 2017 unless they get an offer they feel they can't turn down-his interpretation is a2017 1st rounder plus a conditional 1st rounder. Fwiw

Didn't realize someone already posted this. Thread just moving too fast. No way I'm reading every freaking page lol. Mea Culpa
 
Brissett was a rookie last year. He played the Buffalo game with a broken right thumb - you know, the one on his throwing hand. He was basically a totally green player with a limited playbook who had almost no ability to throw the football, yet he had to stay on the field because they had no backup QB, so he couldn't really run around and take risks.

I don't have any clue what you expected of the guy in that situation.

Do I think he'd fare better next year with (1) a full year under his belt, and (2) a healthy right hand so he can throw the football? Yes, of course.

Do I think he'd step in and be a pro bowl caliber QB? No, of course not.

But geez, give the kid a break.
The point is keeping JG around might not be such a bad idea because Brissett isn't ready yet...that should be obvious to anyone that watched him last season. Brissett took longer than Drew Bledsoe to get rid of the ball...
 
Not a lot of QB talent in this draft which begs the question, why don't the Pats want to trade him ?

Anyone else I wouldn't believe but Schefter is reporting on this.

Because they want to drive up the price.
 
Regardless of what happens,it's a win for the Patriots. They get blown away with an offer, they trade JG for big loot.
They keep him they have a guy with the potential to be one of the best QBs in the NFL.
He's still tradeable next year but they won't get as much for him for several obvious reasons. But maybe having him as insurance is worth the reduced draft capital they'd get next year.
I don't buy TB telling them he's retiring after 2018-that totally contradicts what Tom has said many times and all the work he's put in.
So if JG is not traded this year, it seems pretty certain he'd be traded next year.
 
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