Browns number ONE pick for JAG??

[FreeTedWilliams]

Straight up question.
Jimmy G with his skillset right now.
where would he be realistically drafted if entering the draft?

#1

He would easily be the best QB in the draft right now.

Not that I think Cleveland would trade #1 for him. But with the skills he has shown in the NFL and if he was somehow in this draft, he would easily be the #1 pick.

If the Pats can get #12 for Jimmy, I would say take it and run.....

 

[chasa]

early reports have him liking cousins (who is locked if they franchise him again) and JG

the difference is cousins is going to come with a 20 million dollar salary cap hit, JG comes with a year left on a rookie deal, which you could then extend out at sup top tier money if you like what you see in training camp.

I think cousins is a good starter in this league and a team can win with him, I think with the right coaching(Kyle shanahan could provide this) JG could be a franchise building block. JG could very easily win a couple of more titles as a starter once he leaves if the coaching isnt terrible.

 

[IllegalContact]

Yes.
But if Cleveland could be baited to do it, next move would be to trade it for multiple lower first round picks (or mid 1st, high 2nd or whatever the fair value is). In effect this would be another middle finger to Goodell by getting our stolen picks back.

depends on how they feel about myles garrett.......the team has become adept at accumulating picks without high ones.......they could turn #32 into quantity.....

 

[IllegalContact]

#1

He would easily be the best QB in the draft right now.

Not that I think Cleveland would trade #1 for him. But with the skills he has shown in the NFL and if he was somehow in this draft, he would easily be the #1 pick.

If the Pats can get #12 for Jimmy, I would say take it and run.....

considering the shortage of starting caliber QB's, the QB's available in the draft, and the fact that he still has a year left on his deal should garner more than one #12....even though there is not alot of data, the alternatives for many teams are horrifying

 

[patsfan13]

Jimmy works fast like Brady. Brisset plays differently. The thing I have thought about watching Brisset is that he is good, but different. He is not a quick release guy, he is someone who will make plays with his feet and extend plays more frequently though. He could be like Big Ben.

Brissett was a Rookie as opposed to a 3rd year player. That means something.

THe mechanical issues are things he can work on, watch to see if he starts to works at the facility that Brady works at in the offseason to improve his mechanics/release,

I was very impressed with his 'intnagables' he is very bright, composed and had great leadership skills,the kind of guy teammates want to follow, Jimmy G has those characteris also but the timing worked against Jimmy G and for Brissett.

 

[yukon cornelius]

the difference is cousins is going to come with a 20 million dollar salary cap hit, JG comes with a year left on a rookie deal, which you could then extend out at sup top tier money if you like what you see in training camp.

I think cousins is a good starter in this league and a team can win with him, I think with the right coaching(Kyle shanahan could provide this) JG could be a franchise building block. JG could very easily win a couple of more titles as a starter once he leaves if the coaching isnt terrible.

cousins wants his long term deal now

a tag/trade/restructure would put him under 20 mil cap hit if it were done right.....and still would make him happy


washington is going to have to overpay him to keep him; even if they love him, he's not worth 23.4 mil a year or whatever the tag would bring.....and after tagging him last year, not sure they're getting a discount on a long term deal

if they aren't 100% in love with him, they could work out a tag/trade/restructure deal before march 1

 

[varjao]

I dreamed one of these days that JimmyG was traded to the Jaguars.

Also, I recently watched all 3 seasons of The Fall on Netflix and was curious if that actress Gillian Anderson (Dana Scully) was British or American because she impersonates a very authentic British accent on the show, well in one of my dreams on those days that subject popped up and I went to check that information on Wikipedia and in the dream she was from Chicago, Illinois. I did remember that in a different day, awake and sober, and went on Wikipedia to check and damn she is from Chicago, I was like WTF, maybe I'm sleepwalking. I'm pretty sure I was dreaming the first time I went on Wikipedia to check that information. I'm taking a medication before sleep that gives me the wildest dreams, it must have LSD in the formula.

So JimmyG to Jaguars, it's definitely a possibility. Bortles at this point is toast.

 

[yukon cornelius]

#1

He would easily be the best QB in the draft right now.

Not that I think Cleveland would trade #1 for him. But with the skills he has shown in the NFL and if he was somehow in this draft, he would easily be the #1 pick.

If the Pats can get #12 for Jimmy, I would say take it and run.....

well yeah, but how much of that is due to his NFL experience? (although i agree with you)

would you still have him as the #1 QB available taking only his skillset on draft day into account?

 

[WaterfallJumper]

I don't get the 'The no 1 is unrealistic' thing. Either teams believe Jimmy is a franchise QB and if that's the case, then they should be willing to offer even more than the no 1. If they don't think he's a franchise QB, then don't waste your picks.

I totally get where you're coming from, but in this case it's a matter of historical precedence. Garoppolo's situation is best compared to Matt Schaub, I think, who went for two 2nd round picks. I'd be quite pleased with that haul. If Garoppolo had played all year and looked like Brady, then you bet the #1 overall pick would be in play, but right now the sample size is too small. As a GM, you're betting your entire job on that trade working out if you pony up for the #1 pick. Too much risk for most people.

 

[DW Toys]

Straight up question.
Jimmy G with his skillset right now.
where would he be realistically drafted if entering the draft?

Perhaps the #1 pick if you need a QB. Every "franchise" QB in this class is worthy of no more than Round 2.
DW Toys

 

[LT85]

I totally get where you're coming from, but in this case it's a matter of historical precedence. Garoppolo's situation is best compared to Matt Schaub, I think, who went for two 2nd round picks. I'd be quite pleased with that haul. If Garoppolo had played all year and looked like Brady, then you bet the #1 overall pick would be in play, but right now the sample size is too small. As a GM, you're betting your entire job on that trade working out if you pony up for the #1 pick. Too much risk for most people.

I see what you're saying, but not finding a QB will also cost you your job as a GM. For me it's a no risk no reward situation.
If they don't get a massive haul for him, then I would rather keep him as a backup for another year just in case.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I see what you're saying, but not finding a QB will also cost you your job as a GM. For me it's a no risk no reward situation.
If they don't get a massive haul for him, then I would rather keep him as a backup for another year just in case.

What is your criteria for "massive haul"?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I totally get where you're coming from, but in this case it's a matter of historical precedence. Garoppolo's situation is best compared to Matt Schaub, I think, who went for two 2nd round picks. I'd be quite pleased with that haul. If Garoppolo had played all year and looked like Brady, then you bet the #1 overall pick would be in play, but right now the sample size is too small. As a GM, you're betting your entire job on that trade working out if you pony up for the #1 pick. Too much risk for most people.

Historical precedence has nothing to do with it.

Perceived value, market conditions, cap space, tradable commodities, supply and demand has everything to do with it.

If teams are going to base their proposals on what HOU gave up 10 years ago for Shaub, BB will hang up the phone on them.

 

[LT85]

What is your criteria for "massive haul"?

I would want a pick in the top half of round 1 + a 3. That would be my starting point.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I would want a pick in the top half of round 1 + a 3. That would be my starting point.

Agree. Its a mid-1st rounder at this point.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I totally get where you're coming from, but in this case it's a matter of historical precedence. Garoppolo's situation is best compared to Matt Schaub, I think, who went for two 2nd round picks. I'd be quite pleased with that haul. If Garoppolo had played all year and looked like Brady, then you bet the #1 overall pick would be in play, but right now the sample size is too small. As a GM, you're betting your entire job on that trade working out if you pony up for the #1 pick. Too much risk for most people.

schaub had more NFL experience when he was traded, but the 2007 draft class also had jamarcus russel (remember when many thought he was the new-prototype QB?), brady quinn, kevin kolb, john beck, drew stanton.....not a stellar QB lot, but deeper than this year that has what, maybe one 1st round QB and maybe, maybe another who is a reach 1st rounder?

the schaub deal was for 2 2nds (07 & 08) and an exchange of 1st round picks, moving the Falcons up two picks


imho looking at the lack of QB depth (& top end ) this year, and looking at JG's (minimal) NFL performance, and considering he's spent 3 years under BB/TB12/JMcD, I don't think #12 and a 4th is out of the realm of realistic possbility

 

[LT85]

When does the trade window open?

 

[meatface]

Is it too crazy to hope for that trade? I would love them to get Myles Garrett

I'd say thats the craziest thing you could possibly hope for but we all just saw what happened on sunday. Still though you arent going to get JG for the #1 pick

 

[Marqui]

I don't get the 'The no 1 is unrealistic' thing. Either teams believe Jimmy is a franchise QB and if that's the case, then they should be willing to offer even more than the no 1. If they don't think he's a franchise QB, then don't waste your picks.

This is so so right.

 

[mosslost]

Brissett was a Rookie as opposed to a 3rd year player. That means something.

THe mechanical issues are things he can work on, watch to see if he starts to works at the facility that Brady works at in the offseason to improve his mechanics/release,

I was very impressed with his 'intnagables' he is very bright, composed and had great leadership skills,the kind of guy teammates want to follow, Jimmy G has those characteris also but the timing worked against Jimmy G and for Brissett.

I think Brady's heir has not been drafted yet