Brady Isn't As Good In AFC Championship Games As You Think He Is

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't disagree with what you're saying exactly. However, I find it funny how people want to look at the teams the pats played whenever the stats are bad, to put things into proper context...........but whenever the stats are great like when involving the patriots defense.............Then it doesn't matter. Just an observation.

This is a good point, because there has not been any meaningful discussion of whether or not the Pats' defense is as good as the stats say. Nope, that discussion has not happened.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

This is a good point, because there has not been any meaningful discussion of whether or not the Pats' defense is as good as the stats say. Nope, that discussion has not happened.

Those discussions you're describing mainly consist of people saying "The pats can only play who are on their schedule". Unless I missed something, the majority are more than willing to dismiss the pats defense playing mostly sucky QB's and offenses when talking about the stats. I've seen alot call the pats defense elite regardless. Am I wrong with that statement? I don't think so. Cute reply regardless though.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Those discussions you're describing mainly consist of people saying "The pats can only play who are on their schedule". Unless I missed something, the majority are more than willing to dismiss the pats defense playing mostly sucky QB's and offenses when talking about the stats. I've seen alot call the pats defense elite regardless. Am I wrong with that statement? I don't think so. Cute reply regardless though.

There have been multiple long threads on this topic, for one, and they are not echo chambers but I'll play along. Are the Pats capable of playing teams not on their schedule? Should they be judged by other standards, and what are they? Can a defense be elite if they have not played great competition? Have they not improved of late?

Go ahead, and you can now have this discussion. An alternate route is the one you've been choosing thus far, which is to post badly making bad points without context. A much better look than cute I'm sure.

 

[Ian]

Those discussions you're describing mainly consist of people saying "The pats can only play who are on their schedule". Unless I missed something, the majority are more than willing to dismiss the pats defense playing mostly sucky QB's and offenses when talking about the stats. I've seen alot call the pats defense elite regardless. Am I wrong with that statement? I don't think so. Cute reply regardless though.

The thing people seem to forget is that good teams are supposed to beat up on lesser teams. While you can only play who is on your schedule, how you play against bad teams tells you more about this unit in terms of trying to take an educated look at this.

Let's be honest, if this group had allowed 5-10 more points per game (or more) in all those other contests, then you could make the argument that they're not very good. But they didn't, and they shut down the majority of teams they faced this year because that's what they were supposed to do. If they hadn't, then I doubt we're having this argument.

But let's be honest, this is not a great defense in terms of making a ton of sacks, turnovers, interceptions, etc. But they're simply a very good group who is playing well as a unit and they've made plays when it matters. At the end of the day, that's really the more important thing at this time of year. It's not sexy, but it works. We'll find out tonight (and hopefully in two weeks) if it's enough to get it done.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

There have been multiple long threads on this topic , for one, and they are not echo chambers but I'll play along. Are the Pats capable of playing teams not on their schedule? Should they be judged by other standards, and what are they? Can a defense be elite if they have not played great competition? Have they not improved of late?

Go ahead, and you can now have this discussion. An alternate route is the one you've been choosing thus far, which is to post badly making bad points without context. A much better look than cute I'm sure.

Yes, which consist of the majority more than willing to look past/ignore the weak teams that the pats faced. You're asking me a bunch of questions completely irrelevant to my original point all while ignoring the one that I asked you.

I'm not here arguing how good or overrated/underrated the pats defense is. That wasn't at all my point. My one and only point was how quickly some people are to bring up context when the stats don't favor them but completely overlook it when they do. That was my only point.

 

[Guts]

When you play 10 games against the best competition the AFC has to offer, of course your numbers will dwindle. As long as he gets the W that's all that matters

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Says the guy that has a join date of 2016

LOL You're seriously equating how long one has been on this site to how much of a fan they are?

Your post is par for the course anyway. Usual drivel.

 

[Nikolai]

Yes, which consist of the majority more than willing to look past/ignore the weak teams that the pats faced. You're asking me a bunch of questions completely irrelevant to my original point all while ignoring the one that I asked you.

I'm not here arguing how good or overrated/underrated the pats defense is. That wasn't at all my point. My one and only point was how quickly some people are to bring up context when the stats don't favor them but completely overlook it when they do. That was my only point.

You can't bring up context for the D with stats that don't exist. We simply don't know how this D will perform against a very good offense. But we have PLENTY of data on Brady with which to have a discussion.

I don't get the issue.

 

[Ian]

LOL You're seriously equating how long one has been on this site to how much of a fan they are?

Your post is par for the course anyway. Usual drivel.

Let's settle down and keep this on point. And I agree, membership tenure doesn't matter, but context of the posts is what matters and I think that's what people here are arguing at this point.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I think everyone on this site knows Brady is the goat.

Everyone knows legit pressure, esp up the middle will ruin any QB's day. Cam Newton is a freak who looked very mortal this time last year.

Some here are way too sensitive about anything that doesn't show the Patriots in the best possible light. Very clicky.

W/ Brady and Bill I fear no team. We might not win but we'll be prepared, play our ass off and fight and it will be a tight game.

 

[Minitron]

Actually what this board has become is a fanboypinkhatfest. Don't you dare offer up legitimate critique and criticism of anything Patriots or they throw a hissy fit.

I said in an earlier post this week that the only thing that scares me about this game is Tom Brady. He seemed very tight when talking to the media this week.
If we get the relaxed confident Brady, the guy who once fell asleep in the lockeroom before the SB we will win.
If we get the tight jittery Brady, the guy forcing terrible throws and taking safeties we will lose.

Firtsly go have a look at the gameday thread. If we dont score on the first posesion we have actually lost you know. And that is the narritive the media is riding right now as well. "This team has only Brady", "This is a one man show" and so on. Thats just flat out disrespectful.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Let's settle down and keep this on point. And I agree, membership tenure doesn't matter, but context of the posts is what matters and I think that's what people here are arguing at this point.

Ian

1) I'm responding to someone who obvi is looking to provoke and it's happened more than once since I dare suggested that Brady, like many other stars, have gotten a call or two, lesser guys wouldn't.

There's no data to prove it but again we've literally all seen it every sport.

2) 99% of my post are bring something to the table. Im not patting myself on the back. Literally stating facts. Please go through my short history.

Absolutely nothing that suggest I'm anything but a Patriots fan. Routinely breakdown players, bring names to the discussion and breakdown games/groups of other teams.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

You have to keep in mind who those teams where and the injuries. He need's a good game today. Wrs have to get open.

 

[Nikolai]

Some here are way too sensitive about anything that doesn't show the Patriots in the best possible light. Very clicky.

Like it or not, we've more or less developed the same chip on our shoulder that Brady has. We believe, much like Brady does, that his accomplishments aren't recognized, that the world is against him, and the "-Gates" have served to reinforce the tribal mindset around here.

I like statistical analysis as much as the next person, moreso even, but I'm bought and vetted into the Pats vs. The World tribal identity we've forged. Even my rational mind is good with it, because I enjoy being in a brotherhood (you ladies are in it too, but I don't know the unisex term) and am comfortable seeing all others as the enemy...except the Saints.

 

[PittPatriot]

But the eye test.

Brady will pass every eye test.
He's Tom F'ing Brady.

 

[Minitron]

The words "chicken little" are starting to become more meaningless by the day.

I'm sorry, forgive me for posting an article listing brady's numbers from AFC championship games. I thought some of you may find them interesting. Especially given how much some of you are into stats on here. I promise to never post anymore articles or stats about brady on here unless they show brady in a positive enough light sir. Ill turn a blind eye to everything else and pretend they don't exist.

But whats the purpose of posting this here on a Patriots-Board. I would have expected this on a Steelers-Board. But anyway I have nothing against real analysis, but just laying out numbers of an article from an obvious Patriots-Hater without any context just isn't helpful at all and gives no insight to the topic. Stats don't tell the truth.

 

[Nikolai]

Firtsly go have a look at the gameday thread.

I told someone that I'd enlist in the US Army before I'd look at a Gameday Thread...he called me out on it.

Let it not be said that I'm not a man of my word

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yes, which consist of the majority more than willing to look past/ignore the weak teams that the pats faced. You're asking me a bunch of questions completely irrelevant to my original point all while ignoring the one that I asked you.

I'm not here arguing how good or overrated/underrated the pats defense is. That wasn't at all my point. My one and only point was how quickly some people are to bring up context when the stats don't favor them but completely overlook it when they do. That was my only point.

Well then I'm with you! And I'm not feeling punchy anymore anyway even if I didn't agree. Go Pats, today is gonna be a great day.

 

[Ian]

Ian

1) I'm responding to someone who obvi is looking to provoke and it's happened more than once since I dare suggested that Brady, like many other stars, have gotten a call or two, lesser guys wouldn't.

There's no data to prove it but again we've literally all seen it every sport.

2) 99% of my post are bring something to the table. Im not patting myself on the back. Literally stating facts. Please go through my short history.

Absolutely nothing that suggest I'm anything but a Patriots fan. Routinely breakdown players, bring names to the discussion and breakdown games/groups of other teams.

My post was just to get things back on point. Not questioning your history or getting in the middle of a conflict with the other poster, nor am I questioning your fandom. So don't take it as anything more than me just nudging to keep the thread on track.

All good. It's game day. We're on to Pittsburgh

 

[TomPatriot]

FWIW, Aaron Rodgers NFCCG QB Rating = 55.4