Brady Last 22 Playoff games 27 INTS

[n1997y]

Yes he was. He made one bad decision

which one are you referring to:
throwing a half step ahead of Floyd for his first INT?
throwing behind Squirrel on that third down?
throwing a tip drill to the Texan's LB?

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[n1997y]

Someone clicked "disagree" which is well within his or her rights however come on...

so far three of us. maybe you should come on and look at the film with your eyes open so you can see the ball was too far in front of Floyd for him to catch. Brady just missed him by about eight or ten inches, but that was just enough for him to get his fingertips on the ball without being able to catch it.

 

[robbomango]

so far three of us. maybe you should come on and look at the film with your eyes open so you can see the ball was too far in front of Floyd for him to catch. Brady just missed him by about eight or ten inches, but that was just enough for him to get his fingertips on the ball without being able to catch it.

That 1st pic was because TB was throwing the ball over the out stretched fingers of a Lineman. Watch the replay, there was no way to put that on target, just where Floyd could make a play out in front. It was TB's fault but at least understandable.

The almost pic TB stared down Floyd from the get go and the CB made a quick break. I didn't like the second one because we had a good lead and there O sucks, don't take any risks, just sit back like the Denver game and let them try and beat you.

I'll take a W however I can get it but geesh I hope he has a clean game this weekend so we don't have to hear all about this stuff, makes my head hurt lol.

 

[heavyde050]

so far three of us. maybe you should come on and look at the film with your eyes open so you can see the ball was too far in front of Floyd for him to catch. Brady just missed him by about eight or ten inches, but that was just enough for him to get his fingertips on the ball without being able to catch it.

I still say that first interception was just a fluke. Brady definitely tried to lead Floyd and was a little off target.
But I still say if Floyd doesn't tip it, it probably falls incomplete.

 

[fightingirish595]

which one are you referring to:
throwing a half step ahead of Floyd for his first INT?
throwing behind Squirrel on that third down?
throwing a tip drill to the Texan's LB?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Lmao those aren't decisions

 

[fightingirish595]

What has he done lately? Brady himself would tell you past performance doesn't matter. Keep thread open...

They are 2-1 in playoff games since. They can't win it all every year you know. It's not like he won a ring as a second year player and never one again. He was wearing 3 rings after 5 seasons. And just added another 2 years ago. Your what has he done lately argument is absurd. 4 is 4. I guess maybe he should have taken that run in 04, and traded it for last year. Maybe then he would've done enough for you.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

The case is simply, he's got games against defenses that in a specific playoff game play well and can get pressure with the front-four only with multiple interceptions.

2016: 2 against the Texans
2015: 2 against the Broncos
2014: 2 against the Seahawks
2012: 2 against the Ravens
2011: 2 against the Ravens
2009: 3 against the Ravens
2007: 3 against the Chargers
2006: 3 against the Chargers
2005: 2 against the Broncos

In those nine games he threw 21 interceptions. In his other 23 playoff games nine in total.

Thanks for the info -- yet another reason to hate Harbaugh

Here is an important stat (if memory serves me, I could be wrong): Patriots are 5-4 in those 9 games. 2-1 in 3 Int games. To quote Charlie Sheen: Winning!
Ints, sacks, total yards, pass-run balance, third down conversions given up yada yada yada. While what Brady does or doesn't do as well as the rest of the team's stats are a good conversation, do we pull out the win is what matters. Most SB winners had moments where they shot themselves in the foot and had to dig deep, scratch, claw for the win. A team that can/does that is what makes them a winner. Brady isn't a Patriot in a bubble. He is part of a team that wins or loses by making enough plays and even overcoming adversity (some of the adversity self inflicted and some is not).

An interesting point in all of this comes up: the aura of Patriot infallibility. We are so used to Winning! that the reality of some years can be missed. Sometimes Brady threw Ints and ultimately the team got beat because the other team was the better team come playoff time (sometime injury caused, sometimes just is what it is). Brady is GOAT but a better/excellent D can shut down any QB. We've seen that over the years many times. An example of this is Brady's performance in 2009. Come PO time the Patriots as a team didn't belong on the same field as the Ravens team. We could clone a QB that is a hybrid of Joe Montana-Tom Brady-any other excellent QB and put him back there against the Ravens in that 2009 PO game. That hybrid GOAT would have been shut down. When a team so physically dominates the trenches like the Ravens did in 2009 it's over for any QB.

 

[Tony2046]

by being not fast enough to get to Brady's throw?

He stopped in his route and then jumped at the ball. That was on Floyd.

 

[DarrylS]

There is nobody I would rather have at QB in a Superbowl currently or all time than #12..

When you play the best defenses on the biggest stage stuff happens..

 

[PittPatriot]

Rodgers lost in 2009 because he chocked and fumbled at his team's own 17 yard line. A fumble is as bad as an interception.

Do you really think a fumble = INT?
I know the end result is the same, but they portray very different things.
There is a reason why they must measure QB's by INT and RB by fumbles, right?

By this logic, Brady "choked" away the Snow Bowl but a loophole saved him.
In 2006, Brady almost "choked" the game away with three interceptions against the Chargers and the divisional game. It took a miraculous play by Troy Brown to save us.
The following game, he threw another interception in the final minutes when we lost the championship game to the Colts.

There is a reason he is tied as the alltime playoff lead for INT - he plays in a lot of games and he is good for about 1 pick per game.

Rodgers scrambles more, has a little Favre in him (backyard plays) and probably a greater risk to fumble than Brady (who brilliantly avoids pressure and is not shy about throwing the ball away).

TB12 is the GOAT because at the end of all of these numbers, he is a ridiculous winner. That's how we gauge success as teams and that reflects their QB.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Found a very instresting stat by Albert Speier in the Globe

Do the Patriots improve after ‘ugly wins’? - The Boston Globe

Since 2001, there have been 39 games in which the Patriots turned the ball over three or more times. They managed a 16-23 record (.410) in those contests — a shocking rate of success in the face of such sloppy ball-handling relative to the rest of the NFL. No other team in the league has a winning percentage of better than .341 since 2001 when turning the ball over three or more times. And the league average winning percentage in such games is .208 — roughly half of the Patriots’ mark.

The Patriots have managed to overcome sloppy playoff games in the past. With their win over the Texans, they are now 4-3 under Belichick when turning the ball over three or more times in the playoffs; the rest of the NFL since 2000 is 12-78 (.133) in such contests.​

 

[Uncle Rico]

Sorry if this has been mentioned -- I haven't read the whole thread but heard Ordway make a good point about this (I know ..): You have to look at things like total passes, percentages and TDs. So I did. Bottom line is you have to remember .. . Brady's been throwing a lot more passes since the Dillon days. Some playoffs stats from Football Reference:

Brady: ................32 G...1221 ATT...58 TDs/4.8%...30 INT/2.5%
Roethlisberger: ..19 G...571 ATT.... 24 TDs/4.2%...22 INT/3.9%
P. Manning: .......27 G...1027 ATT...40 TDs/3.9%...25 INT/2.4% (surprised me)
Favre: .................24 G...791 ATT.....44 TD/5.6%.....30 INT, 3.8%
A. Rodgers: ........16 G...550 ATT.....33 TDs,/6.0%...9 INT, 1.6% (... pretty good)
Montana..............23G...734 ATT.....45 TD/6.1%...... 21 INT/2.9%

(Added Montana on edit after Neuronet request)

 

[neuronet]

Brady didn't suck in last year's AFCCG, yet they lost. Brady didn't suck in the 2007 Super Bowl, yet they lost. Brady didn't suck in the 2011 Super Bowl, yet they lost.

That's 3 without really even digging.

I think the (reasonable) claim is Brady playing great is necessary, but not sufficient, for winning.

 

[neuronet]

Sorry if this has been mentioned -- I haven't read the whole thread but heard Ordway make a good point about this (I know ..): You have to look at things like total passes, percentages and TDs. So I did. Bottom line is you have to remember .. . Brady's been throwing a lot more passes since the Dillon days. Some playoffs stats from Football Reference:

Brady: ................32 G, 1221 ATT, 58 TDs/4.8 TD%; 30 INT/2.5%
Roethlisberger: ..19 G, 571 ATT, 24 TDs/4.2%; 22 INT/3.9%
P. Manning: .......27 G, 1027 ATT, 40 TDs/3.9%; 25 INT?2.4% (surprised me)
Favre: .................24 G, 791 ATT, 44 TD/5.6%; 30 INT, 3.8%
A. Rodgers: ........16 G, 550 ATT, 33 TDs, 6.0%; 9 INT, 1.6% (... pretty good)

Montana, I wonder?

 

[Nunchucks]

I think Brady has had some terrible games that inflate this number. He has had some 4 INT games where the Patriots lost. Also, lets not forget that Brady is willing to throw the ball up there on 3rd down in the playoffs. Those balls are more apt to get picked off.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Sorry if this has been mentioned -- I haven't read the whole thread but heard Ordway make a good point about this (I know ..): You have to look at things like total passes, percentages and TDs. So I did. Bottom line is you have to remember .. . Brady's been throwing a lot more passes since the Dillon days. Some playoffs stats from Football Reference:

Brady: ................32 G, 1221 ATT, 58 TDs/4.8 TD%; 30 INT/2.5%
Roethlisberger: ..19 G, 571 ATT, 24 TDs/4.2%; 22 INT/3.9%
P. Manning: .......27 G, 1027 ATT, 40 TDs/3.9%; 25 INT?2.4% (surprised me)
Favre: .................24 G, 791 ATT, 44 TD/5.6%; 30 INT, 3.8%
A. Rodgers: ........16 G, 550 ATT, 33 TDs, 6.0%; 9 INT, 1.6% (... pretty good)

I like the reciprocals of those -- how many attempts it takes for something to happen. Obviously for the first column the lower the number the better and for the second column the higher number the better.

QB ATT per TD ATT per INT
Brady 21.05 40.70
Rapist 23.79 25.95
Forehead 25.68 41.08
Gunslinger 17.98 26.37
Doublecheck 16.67 61.11

You can hate on Doublecheck all you want, but those are great, great numbers.

(Edited: Goddammit -- I even used a monospaced font on purpose so those'd line up but the whitespace was taken out when displayed. )

 

[Uncle Rico]

Montana, I wonder?

Montana.......23G, 734 ATT, 45 TD/6.1%, 21 INT/2.9%

Bingo

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Montana.......23G, 734 ATT, 45 TD/6.1%, 21 INT/2.9%

Bingo

To slot him in with the others, that works out to 16.31 ATT per TD and 34.95 ATT per INT.

 

[Uncle Rico]

On more thing then I have to get back to work, apparently:

Comparing regular season INT % to playoffs
....................Reg...........Playoffs
Brady...........1.8...............2.5
Ben R...........2.7...............3.9
P. Mann.......2.7...............2.4
Favre............3.3..............3.8
Rodgers.......1.5................1.6
Montana.......2.6..............2.9
All higher INT% in playoffs

Comparing regular season TD % to playoffs
....................Reg...........Playoffs
Brady...........5.5...............4.8
Ben R...........5.1...............4.2
P. Mann.......5.7...............3.9
Favre...........5.6...............5.5
Rodgers.......6.4..............6.0
Montana.......5.1..............6.1
All lower TD% in playoffs except Montana

So the breaking news is that defenses tighten up - -and maybe some quarterbacks do too -- in the playoffs.

 

[Kontradiction]

Damn, so Brady pretty much sucks, huh? Should we look to move him in the offseason?