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Pats claim WR Michael Floyd

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I would assume that since the waivers go in prev years record sequence, that the only other teams that could have had claims were Denver and Carolina, everyone else but AZ was in front of pats

that's only true through week 3 of the regular season. starting with week 4, the current season's team records are used. if two teams have identical records, the team with the weaker strength of schedule has priority. if the teams have identical records and identical strength of schedule, then the team that has scored fewer total points has priority.

If the Cowboys had made a claim, Floyd would be a Cowboy right now

i'm not sure what strength-of-schedule calculation is used by the NFL, but in most rankings i looked at, the patriots have a lower SOS than the cowboys. so the patriots are probably ahead of the cowboys in the waiver order.

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I would assume that since the waivers go in prev years record sequence, that the only other teams that could have had claims were Denver and Carolina, everyone else but AZ was in front of pats

That's not how the waiver claim system works after week 3. It goes by the 2016 record.

If the Cowboys had made a claim, Floyd would be a Cowboy right now

So you're saying the Pats are currently #32 on the waiver list, not #31?
 
Such a thing would be totally out of character for Bill "Intentional Safety" Belichick, wouldn't it?
If you're saying that anything's possible, then I agree, but I'm not seeing the parellels between proper situational management with the intentional safety and expecting a WR to contribute who's been here for a day. Hopefully, I'm wrong and he catches a couple of TD passes on Sunday. That'd be sweet.
 
Interesting that the deal has gone down 26 pages ago, and STILL no direct comments from the man himself. That alone makes me feel he'll fit right in here.

One of the Arizona beat people actually sad that Floyd was essentially going out of his way for 5 years to never say anything "interesting" to the media. Seems like a fit.
 
Listening to the talk shows this week, much less than I used to, but they are all asking about how many snaps will Floyd get this Sunday and will there be a progression for weeks 16 & 17...

My take is that this is more about getting ready for the playoffs and insuring that we have WR depth when we get to that plateau.. in 5 weeks he and #12 can get on the same page.

Lots of complaints about the 1.2 million dollar cost.. but that is chump change if the Pats win the Superbowl..
 
Oh, yeah, don't confuse that post with my apologizing for a DUI. I think DUIs are one of the worst non-capital crimes you can commit because they're just an absolute blatant disregard for the lives of people around you. And for NFL players with more money than God and so much to lose, there's even less than no excuse.

(But I don't look to football players for moral guidance, so I can compartmentalize Floyd as bad person and good guy to root for without amy particular problem)

Big mistake. I do use football players as my moral compass and as a result my conscience is always clear and I sleep like a baby every night.
 
Ah wow, that's interesting. that's a pretty crazy amount of money to carry over, but I forgot all about the average over 4 years part of that.. obviously I didn't know what I was talking about on that subject lol
NFL finances and salary cap stuff is confusing and complicated.

Plus there is zero transparency because they don't want you to know.
 
Now, if we can get Jimmy Graham or Travis Kelce to go on a bender and fall asleep behind the wheel...

I think Jimmy Graham would have to go all "Aaron Hernandez" for Pete to let him go.
Travis Kelce is like hero in KC. If this happens to him, the cops who found him would cover it up!
 
Listening to the talk shows this week, much less than I used to, but they are all asking about how many snaps will Floyd get this Sunday and will there be a progression for weeks 16 & 17...

My take is that this is more about getting ready for the playoffs and insuring that we have WR depth when we get to that plateau.. in 5 weeks he and #12 can get on the same page.

Lots of complaints about the 1.2 million dollar cost.. but that is chump change if the Pats win the Superbowl..

I think it's funny when fans get caught up in salaries and player contracts. Even I do it.

So they are paying him $1.3m or whatever for a few games. Who cares what they are paying him? There is plenty of cap room. It's not our money.

Plus I think if folks look at it, they will most likely being paying him for 6 games and not 3
 
It's Friday night and the kids are asleep and I have some time to waste. A few times now, I've seen people mention that worst case scenario, we bought a comp pick for $1.3M. It made me wonder whether that was a good deal or not.

Obviously it matters who we pick. If it's a bust, it's nothing, if it's a HOFer, it's well worth it. But strictly using averages, we can see if it's even good practice to do so.

Let's say that it's a 3rd-round comp pick, but not one of the top ones. Let's say it is pick 100, what is that worth?

Well we could start by looking at what the 100th pick of the draft gets paid. That's just under $3M for 4 years, with less than $620K guaranteed. So roughly $750K per year for a rookie 100th overall pick. If you factor in BB spending $1.3M to get it, that puts the total just over $1M per year.

Using Chase Stuart's draft value chart which uses career AV over 2 per season, the 100th pick is worth 5.3 points above average. The average NFL career is 3.2 to 3.5 years (let's go with 3.5) and generates AV of 2 so that's 7, so the 100th pick should generate 12.3 career AV over 3.5 years, or an average of 3.5 AV per season.

It's hard to accurately gauge the potential value of this because pretty much everyone with a 3 or 4-year career and a career AV of 11 or 12 did so under a rookie contract. But if we use the 3.5 AV average and project it out past rookie contracts to see what those paid vs. a rookie doing similar. For example, a player who played 7 years and produced 23 career AV would potentially tell us what those last 3 years are worth for that type of production.

There aren't a ton of exact comparables, but the ones we see show that the cost would easily be absorbed by having a rookie vs. a vet. Oddly enough, there are a lot of Ravens on this list. I guess because they have a bunch of mediocre draft picks who were just good enough to get second deals, but bad enough to do little else.

Ed ****son was drafted in the 3rd round (70th overall) and generated 10 AV over his first few years. This got him a 3-year, $6M deal with Carolina. He has probably failed to live up to that, but that's the type of contract one can expect.

His teammate and fellow TE with Baltimore, Dennis Pitta, was drafted 114th overall. He also had a 10 career AV. He signed a $2M tender after his rookie contract, then signed a 5-year, $32M contract after that.

Shareece Wright was not drafted by the Ravens, but is now one. He also had 10 career AV after his rookie contract as the 89th pick overall. That led to a 1-year, $2.95M deal with the 49ers. He would be released mid-season and signed cheaply by Baltimore, but they re-signed him this off-season for 3 years, $13M.

Jah Reid is another former Raven (85th overall) with a career AV of 6. He signed a minimum deal but got cut by the Ravens, at which point the Chiefs swooped in and gave him 3 years, $10.2M.

So similar types of players who are not on rookie contracts look to be getting $2M to $4M a season if you don't count Pitta's ridiculously stupid deal. Even with spending the extra $1.3M, that puts the average rookie season at under $1.1M per year x 4 seasons, which puts the 4-year savings around $3.6M to $11.6M.

So yes, that comp pick is potentially quite valuable, and if we could always buy one in the 3rd round for that price, we should.
Where is the 3rd Rd comp pick projection coming from? Are you thinking hes going to get a big deal?

Based on his situation theyd be lucky to get a 5th
 
I don't think he himself knows it but BB has moments of being a dry humor genius, almost Bob Newhart level.
I assume he wasn't trying to be funny -- haven't heard the audio of the comment -- but if I'm understanding the context correctly the "he's been here a couple of hours" is hilarious.
BB is totally Bob Newhart. LOL
 
Where is the 3rd Rd comp pick projection coming from? Are you thinking hes going to get a big deal?

Based on his situation theyd be lucky to get a 5th


And I would be fine with that, the more the better. There's no way they get a 3rd.
 
NFL finances and salary cap stuff is confusing and complicated.

Plus there is zero transparency because they don't want you to know.

This leads to an OT question. Has Patsfans cap guru Miguel ever done an analysis of other teams' caps? It would be interesting to know how many times Elway, among others, exceeded the cap and went unpunished.
 
And I would be fine with that, the more the better. There's no way they get a 3rd.
I'd be tickled to death for a 3rd rounder.

I know part of the formula takes into consideration the team's FA losses but even then I don't see a 3rd for Floyd.
 
Where is the 3rd Rd comp pick projection coming from? Are you thinking hes going to get a big deal?

Based on his situation theyd be lucky to get a 5th
i dont think he play enough games to qualify for the pats for us to get an sup pick
 
This leads to an OT question. Has Patsfans cap guru Miguel ever done an analysis of other teams' caps? It would be interesting to know how many times Elway, among others, exceeded the cap and went unpunished.

No idea.

However I did see a graphic a couple of weeks ago that had two teams under the 89% cap spend mandate. That confused me as its my understanding that is not allowed.
 
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