Envious of that Seattle Defense.

[PatriotsPimp136]

Hawks went up against the leagues best offense and did the job. The secondary did a super job on our receivers as Bennett was the only one who could find any consistency. They really put a pretty good lid on Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Hogan, and White.

Not to mention that brady made some tight throws. I think the offensive line could be seattle's downfall. It could be exposed against a good d line. We couldn't put enough pressure on a weak o line.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I find it amazing that so many can live on a football forum and at the same time have no clue about the game itself.

Can't tell you how many times a day I say to myself, "why cant we be more like Seattle"?
Seattle does have a great team, esp defensively. But they could just as well have a L. Each game is unique in its own way and Seattle could have easily given up 35+ and the same people who love Seattle's defense would be ranking them out up and down.

Definitely not fans from the "dark years" that endured being the joke of the league for years and years, freezing metal benches and the Savior himself, Scott Zolak with Uncle Ricos arm.

 

[Ring 6]

Hawks went up against the league's best offense and did an outstanding job. The secondary did a super job on our receivers as Bennett was the only one who could find any consistency. They really put a lid on Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Mitchell, Hogan, and White, who struggled to get open all day and paid the price when they did.

Brady was 23/32 for 316
Those are dominating numbers. over 70% completion for 10 yards per attempt.
Edelman had 7 for 99 hardly a lid put on him.
Bennett had 7 for 102. 2 receivers at basically 100 yards tends to mean that other teammates were targeted less. Brady had 9 incompletions all night.
I don't think bad pass defense can be considered good because some receivers didn't catch a lot of passes.

 

[Dorito Dink]

The offense doesn't get those chances because of our defense. Take revis out of the equation and they don't make those stops. You really are downplaying revis's importance in the playoffs

That doesn't refute any of my points. What did Revis do that was so great in the playoffs? What was the D able to do that was so special because they had Revis? They let a poor Ravens offense walk all over them (especially Revis) and the offense had to bail them out against a very tough defense. If the offense doesn't play out of their minds, that season goes down as a failure and everybody is saying what a waste of $ Revis was. Thanks, Tom!

In the Colts game, just an overall bludgeoning by both sides of the ball. We kill them with or without Revis.

In the Super Bowl, again, they let an average offense score 24 points and almost blew it at the end. The offense played out of their minds, especially in the second half, to torch the "vaunted" Seattle D to win. If the offense, once again, doesn't play out of their minds then everybody is pissed at the D and says Revis is a waste of $. Thanks, Tom.

Your point about the Pats "not being able to sniff the SB" without Revis and needing a great defense to win the SB isn't supported by reality.

 

[GodBrady]

The Seahawks look scary-good. Wilson's injuries have limited his mobility all season (a huge part of his game, obviously), and yet they are still 6-2-1.

Their defense is great, Russell Wilson is healthy, and Thomas Rawls is on his way back soon. Seattle has a porous offensive line, but man does that offensive otherwise look deadly. Graham is back to his old self, Baldwin is one of the elite slot receivers in the game, and Tyler Lockett is a dynamic deep threat (not to mention one of the premier return guys in the game).

They look poised for another serious Super Bowl run. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the SB is NE-SEA again.

 

[fnordcircle]

Remember that time Pete the cheerleader took a SB team and ruined it and then Belichick came in and within a year had built a dynasty team?

That was a different Pete Carroll. That guy is busy manufacturing pom-poms.

The Seattle HC just barely beat us in a game where we played extremely poorly on both defense and offense therefore he's clearly running the better scheme and supported by a GM who knows how to build a winning team.

 

[Ring 6]

The Seahawks look scary-good. Wilson's injuries have limited his mobility all season (a huge part of his game, obviously), and yet they are still 6-2-1.

Their defense is great, Russell Wilson is healthy, and Thomas Rawls is on his way back soon. Seattle has a porous offensive line, but man does that offensive otherwise look deadly. Graham is back to his old self, Baldwin is one of the elite slot receivers in the game, and Tyler Lockett is a dynamic deep threat (not to mention one of the premier return guys in the game).

They look poised for another serious Super Bowl run. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the SB is NE-SEA again.

I'm curious. If Brady doesn't fumble the snap, or Blount gets 2 feet more, or Gronk separates earlier, their GREAT defense gives up the same 31 our PATHETIC one did.
I don't understand that.
We are supposed to complete 70% of passes for 10 yards an attempt against a 'great' D but our D is horrible when it allows about the same thing?

 

[Mack Herron]

Brady was 23/32 for 316
Those are dominating numbers. over 70% completion for 10 yards per attempt.
Edelman had 7 for 99 hardly a lid put on him.
Bennett had 7 for 102. 2 receivers at basically 100 yards tends to mean that other teammates were targeted less. Brady had 9 incompletions all night.
I don't think bad pass defense can be considered good because some receivers didn't catch a lot of passes.

Gotta look at it all Andy. Of course we made some plays. They made more. Brady threw a terrible INT, did not put the ball in the end zone, and had by far his worst passer rating of the season. Edelman had the other huge turnover when Seattle defense outmuscled him from the ball to stop a crucial drive. It was a tight game, but they made more plays than we did and they won. Thomas was a force all afternoon.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Gotta look at it all Andy. Of course we made some plays. They made more. Brady threw a terrible INT, did not put the ball in the end zone, and had by far his worst passer rating of the season. Edelman had the other huge turnover when Seattle defense outmuscled him from the ball to stop a crucial drive. It was a tight game, but they made more plays than we did and they won. Thomas was a force all afternoon.

What exactly is he or anyone else missing? Honestly asking.

Yes they made more plays than us, 100% They beat us in a very close game. Literally the definition of a 50/50 game.

All we're pointing out is that Seattle's defense is being overrated by some here. Again that "great" defense came very close to letting up over 30 at least.

We played bad, executed even worse and still had a great chance to win.

I'll add play calling to the negative list as well. Def not Josh's better games. Too many predictable runs and another reason we have to move on from Blount even tho hes having a good year.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

That doesn't refute any of my points. What did Revis do that was so great in the playoffs? What was the D able to do that was so special because they had Revis? They let a poor Ravens offense walk all over them (especially Revis) and the offense had to bail them out against a very tough defense. If the offense doesn't play out of their minds, that season goes down as a failure and everybody is saying what a waste of $ Revis was. Thanks, Tom!

In the Colts game, just an overall bludgeoning by both sides of the ball. We kill them with or without Revis.

In the Super Bowl, again, they let an average offense score 24 points and almost blew it at the end. The offense played out of their minds, especially in the second half, to torch the "vaunted" Seattle D to win. If the offense, once again, doesn't play out of their minds then everybody is pissed at the D and says Revis is a waste of $. Thanks, Tom.

Your point about the Pats "not being able to sniff the SB" without Revis and needing a great defense to win the SB isn't supported by reality.

I rest my case. You don't know jack about football. They needed a miracle catch to get close to the goal line. The offense did it's job. No doubt. The defense played well against the seahawks in that game. The offense was far from perfect. Go back and watch the game. If revis wasn't there i doubt the offense get's that chance to make the comeback. Revis made our secondary point blank!

 

[Dorito Dink]

I rest my case. You don't know jack about football. They needed a miracle catch to get close to the goal line. The offense did it's job. No doubt. The defense played well against the seahawks in that game. The offense was far from perfect. Go back and watch the game. If revis wasn't there i doubt the offense get's that chance to make the comeback.

You rest your case on what? I don't know jack about football because I accurately stated the offense was more responsible for our 3 playoff wins in 2014 and stated why?

"The offense was far from perfect." Yet they scored 28 points against one of the best defenses of all time. I did watch the game, in fact I was out in Phoenix for it. I've watched the replay of the game no less than 5 times and every time I come away knowing that as long as we have Brady, we will always have one of the best shots at winning the Super Bowl.

I'd love to hear your breakdown of each playoff game with reasons why the defense is responsible for us being 2014 champs, and specifically pointing out how Revis "allowed us to do so many things" on defense.

 

[luuked]

You rest your case on what? I don't know jack about football because I accurately stated the offense was more responsible for our 3 playoff wins in 2014 and stated why?

"The offense was far from perfect." Yet they scored 28 points against one of the best defenses of all time. I did watch the game, in fact I was out in Phoenix for it. I've watched the replay of the game no less than 5 times and every time I come away knowing that as long as we have Brady, we will always have one of the best shots at winning the Super Bowl.

I'd love to hear your breakdown of each playoff game with reasons why the defense is responsible for us being 2014 champs, and specifically pointing out how Revis "allowed us to do so many things" on defense.

You are wasting your time with that one. In the end Revis was no more or less important than many other defensive players in 2014 no matter how much someone wants to push narratives.

 

[Mack Herron]

What exactly is he or anyone else missing? Honestly asking.

He selectively cited the good stats and ignored the bad. He ignored the fact that Brady threw more INTs than TDs in his worst performance of the season. They stripped Edelman at a crucial point during a big 4th quarter drive. It was a close game, and the outcome hinged on a few key plays. Seattle made the key plays and we did not. Just giving the Seattle defense credit. They executed far better than the Pats defense even though they were playing a more talented offense.

 

[Ring 6]

Gotta look at it all Andy. Of course we made some plays. They made more. Brady threw a terrible INT, did not put the ball in the end zone, and had by far his worst passer rating of the season.

Come on we aren't really going to pretend that the difference in QB play is whether he throws it in or hands it to Blount are we? He completed over 70% of his passes for 10 yards per attempt, and put 24 points on the board, and should have been 31.

Edelman had the other huge turnover when Seattle defense outmuscled him from the ball to stop a crucial drive. It was a tight game, but they made more plays than we did and they won. Thomas was a force all afternoon.

They made a couple of plays but they did not play great defense. They deserved to win the game but saying they took our passing game away is just wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

He selectively cited the good stats and ignored the bad. He ignored the fact that Brady threw more INTs than TDs in his worst performance of the season.

Other than the pick, Brady played as well as he has all season. Don't be one of those guys that thinks throwing in it from the red zone means you played better than running it in.

They stripped Edelman at a crucial point during a big 4th quarter drive. It was a close game, and the outcome hinged on a few key plays. Seattle made the key plays and we did not. Just giving the Seattle defense credit. They executed far better than the Pats defense even though they were playing a more talented offense.

They did not execute FAR better. They made one more play. If blount gets in from the 1 (which he should have if he ran to the hole btw) the defenses basically played equally.

 

[deroc5050]

The Seahawks look scary-good. Wilson's injuries have limited his mobility all season (a huge part of his game, obviously), and yet they are still 6-2-1.

Their defense is great, Russell Wilson is healthy, and Thomas Rawls is on his way back soon. Seattle has a porous offensive line, but man does that offensive otherwise look deadly. Graham is back to his old self, Baldwin is one of the elite slot receivers in the game, and Tyler Lockett is a dynamic deep threat (not to mention one of the premier return guys in the game).

They look poised for another serious Super Bowl run. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the SB is NE-SEA again.

Maybe but if Tom didn't throw a pretty bad INT and if Edelman doesn't fumble we probably score 34+ points against Seattle. Turn overs and bad secondary play aloud Seattle to come away with the victory.

I will say that Tom made some incredible throws in that game, he played great except for 1 bad decision. Unfortunately against the better or the best teams you cant make big mistakes and win.

 

[Mack Herron]

They did not execute FAR better. They made one more play. If blount gets in from the 1 (which he should have if he ran to the hole btw) the defenses basically played equally.

The game was close, but the performance of the defenses was not. The way I saw it, we had to battle for every yard, while execution failure by the Pats defense gave up many easy yards and wide open receivers that Brady never saw. Perhaps someone can go back to the film and count the number of execution failures by each defense. Short of that, I think the Seattle defense outperformed our defense by a clear margin. Having said that, don't confuse me with people arguing that our defense is hopeless.

 

[Ring 6]

The game was close, but the performance of the defenses was not. The way I saw it, we had to battle for every yard, while execution failure by the Pats defense gave up many easy yards and wide open receivers that Brady never saw. Perhaps someone can go back to the film and count the number of execution failures by each defense. Short of that, I think the Seattle defense outperformed our defense by a clear margin. Having said that, don't confuse me with people arguing that our defense is hopeless.

That's because you are looking at it from a slanted view.
Both teams were roughly equally effective passing. Both teams were roughly equally effective rushing.
Both teams converted 3rd downs similarly. Both teams rushed the passer similarly.
Seattle had a goal line stand or both teams would have allowed the same number of points.
If you changed the uniforms, fans here would be complaining about how although we won, the defense got picked apart again.

 

[mgteich]

Well they got playmakers on defense. We need better personnel on defense. Idk how they can tweak this defense.

Seattle spends more of its cap on defense; we spend more on offense.

Seattle has two undrafted free agents as their OT's.

I like our emphasis.

On the whole, who thinks that Seattle is a better team: offense, defense. special teams, coaching and ownership?

They indeed have a better defense. If our defense were as good, we'd all be talking about the 2016 patriots as one of the best teams in the history of the NFL.

 

[Mack Herron]

That's because you are looking at it from a slanted view.
Both teams were roughly equally effective passing. Both teams were roughly equally effective rushing.
Both teams converted 3rd downs similarly. Both teams rushed the passer similarly.
Seattle had a goal line stand or both teams would have allowed the same number of points.
If you changed the uniforms, fans here would be complaining about how although we won, the defense got picked apart again.

You chose again to disregard my point that the Patriot offense is better than the Seattle offense. If that is true, and they are putting up similar stats, it stands to reason that the Seattle defense is superior to ours, just as @mgteich points out.