OT: Eagles trade up 2 #2 in the Draft

[FreeTedWilliams]

a year too late

-Chip Kelly

 

[oldrover]

 

[ViperGTS]

That sign while bad, will seem stunningly horrible in 2045.

This trade will do nothing for them. Nothing. Might make them competitive, but no QB no Bueno.

Unless they plan on tanking this year for a QB they like next year. Any ideas who that may be?

 

[TBR]

I thought the Eagles would've been fine drafting Elliott. Now the Giants might get him

 

[primetime]

The Rams aren't the best comparison because it was Mustache Mullett Moron making the picks, and he's, oh he's so dumb.

Edit again---well looks like Eagles aren't going Elliott (smart) but wow look at those quotes from Howie. They're a dumb team. We're lucky to have 3 GMs better than most teams have.

The Patriots just cut a 1st round draft pick before he even played out his contract. They also drafted Adrian Klemm, Laurence Maroney, Brandon Meriweather, and Patrick Chung (round 1) with their first picks in a given draft over the Belichick era. They've taken players like Jake Bequette and Tavon Wilson on day 2 of the draft. They may be slightly better than their opponents at drafting, though this appears mostly thanks to big (lucky) hits like Brady and Gronk, but otherwise it's just a huge crapshoot.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Hopefully this will lead Dallas to take Elliott because I believe the fish want him badly and I don't want them to get him..

 

[Joey007]

That sign while bad, will seem stunningly horrible in 2045.

This trade will do nothing for them. Nothing. Might make them competitive, but no QB no Bueno.

Unless they plan on tanking this year for a QB they like next year. Any ideas who that may be?

Heard Deshaun Watsons a huge prospect next year. They will have two first that'll likely be top 10 picks. So they'll have leverage to move.

 

[grux]

The Patriots just cut a 1st round draft pick before he even played out his contract. They also drafted Adrian Klemm, Laurence Maroney, Brandon Meriweather, and Patrick Chung (round 1) with their first picks in a given draft over the Belichick era. They've taken players like Jake Bequette and Tavon Wilson on day 2 of the draft. They may be slightly better than their opponents at drafting, though this appears mostly thanks to big (lucky) hits like Brady and Gronk, but otherwise it's just a huge crapshoot.

Belichicks 1st Round Picks have been very good. He also is picking late in the first round every year. IMO, he is the best in the league at rebuilding his team through the draft.
Seymour
Graham
Ty Warren
Vince Wilfork
Ben Watson
Logan Mankins
Laurence Maroney
Brandon Meriweather
Jerod Mayo
Devin McCourty
Nate Solder
Chandler Jones
Donta Hightower
Dominic Easley
Malcom Brown

 

[Jlaff]

I don't understand why you'd need a top 1-2 pick at QB if your "plan" is to groom that QB over a year or two.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

18 million

11 mil signing bonus and 7 mil salary for 2016. Crazy. Bradford is an average QB who will be 29 this year and has never been able to stay on the field.

Eagles apparently plan to go with three quarterbacks

The way Florio puts it, this is about as far away from BB as you can get.

 

[primetime]

Belichicks 1st Round Picks have been very good. He also is picking late in the first round every year. IMO, he is the best in the league at rebuilding his team through the draft.
Seymour
Graham
Ty Warren
Vince Wilfork
Ben Watson
Logan Mankins
Laurence Maroney
Brandon Meriweather
Jerod Mayo
Devin McCourty
Nate Solder
Chandler Jones
Donta Hightower
Dominic Easley
Malcom Brown

Ignoring Brown, with whom it's too early to tell...

Busts: Maroney, Meriweather, Easley
Replacement-level: Graham, Watson, Solder
Good players: Warren, Mayo, McCourty, Jones
Blue chips: Seymour, Wilfork, Mankins, Hightower

They probably hit on a higher percentage of these picks than other teams (over half were above-average players; only about 1 in 5 were busts), but they're also not really an outlier. They also probably hit on a lower percentage of second and third round picks than most teams:

Klemm
Redmond
Light
Williams
Branch
Wilson
B.Johnson
Hill
Scott
Hobbs
Kaczur
Jackson
Thomas
Wheatley
Crable
Chung
Brace
Butler
Vollmer
Tate
McKenzie
Gronkowski
Cunningham
Spikes
Price
Dowling
Vereen
Ridley
Mallett
T.Wilson
Bequette
Collins
Dobson
Ryan
Harmon
[Garoppolo]
[Richards]
[Grissom]

(Last three probably too early to tell)

But among these, you have...

Busts: Klemm, Redmond, Williams, Johnson, Hill, Scott, Jackson, Thomas, Wheatley, Crable, Brace, Butler, Tate, McKenzie, Cunningham, Price, Dowling, Mallett, Wilson, Bequette, Chung (prior to return)
Replacement-level: Hobbs, Kaczur, Harmon, Ryan, Dobson(?)
Good players: Spikes, Ridley, Vereen, Wilson
Blue chip: Gronkowski, Vollmer, Collins, Branch, Light

So in the second and third rounds, only about 1 in 3 players drafted ever provided a contribution around what could be expected from their draft position. This is maybe at or below the league average, though of course it's certainly helped by the fact that there were a number of Pro Bowl-caliber players drafted in these rounds, at least 1 every 4 years or so.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't understand why you'd need a top 1-2 pick at QB if your "plan" is to groom that QB over a year or two.

That's how it was done for decades. Hell, take a look at the 3 best QBs of the 2000's (going by when they first played).

Brady
Rodgers
Brees

All of them rode the pine, or at least basically rode the pine, for at least a year.

 

[Deus Irae]

Replacement-level: Graham, Watson, Solder

Crazy talk

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

 

[Tony2046]

That can't be real.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Great trade by the Browns


Adam Schefter
3 mins · Facebook Mentions ·
Eagles acquire 2 overall and a 4th round pick in 2017 from CLeV. Browns receive 8th overall pick, a 3rd (#77 overall), a 4th (#100 overall), a 1st round pick in 2017 and a 2nd round pick in 2018.

Yeah, I said in another thread that I thought the deal could prove good or bad for the Browns, but I ultimately felt it could respresent way more good than bad for them . . . until someone pointed out (and rightfully so) that it's still the Browns and they'll find a way to screw it up. I can't argue with that. LOL

 

[PatsBoy12]

He desperately needs a girlfriend to balance out his life.

 

[chasa]

Busts: Klemm, Redmond, Williams, Johnson, Hill, Scott, Jackson, Thomas, Wheatley, Crable, Brace, Butler, Tate, McKenzie, Cunningham, Price, Dowling, Mallett, Wilson, Bequette, Chung (prior to return)
Replacement-level: Hobbs, Kaczur, Harmon, Ryan, Dobson(?)
Good players: Spikes, Ridley, Vereen, Wilson
Blue chip: Gronkowski, Vollmer, Collins, Branch, Light

Can a player really be considered a bust if they are a starter for another team?

A poor draft choice? sure, but calling Darius butler, Ryan mallett, and chung busts seems wrong. Mallett has started for two other teams(granted he flamed out a bit) chung is a starter for OUR team, after being a starter here and philly. and darius butler has been solid if underwhelming for the colts

I think if a player played in our system for more then one season, or maybe just didn't fit with this team but has had a decent career elsewhere you can't really call it a bust, more like a failed opportunity.

 

[Deus Irae]

Can a player really be considered a bust if they are a starter for another team?

A poor draft choice? sure, but calling Darius butler, Ryan mallett, and chung busts seems wrong. Mallett has started for two other teams(granted he flamed out a bit) chung is a starter for OUR team, after being a starter here and philly. and darius butler has been solid if underwhelming for the colts

I think if a player played in our system for more then one season, or maybe just didn't fit with this team but has had a decent career elsewhere you can't really call it a bust, more like a failed opportunity.

Come on...

Mallett's a bust as a Patriots pick. To even question that is piss away any and all credibility.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

That can't be real.

Ohh it is, you should see his other videos. Go to his youtube page and you will see this is completely real!