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OT: Freeman Slobberfest over Rodgers

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Well frankly that game should not have ever made it into over time.

You could say the same thing about the Baltimore game last year. It never should have been that close. The defense allowed Flacco to pass all over them to put us down 14 points twice. Yet Brady still overcame those two 14 point deficits (something that has never been done before in a playoff game.) That's what sets Brady apart.
 
In 1983, Montana had 61 rushes with an average of 4.7 yards per carry. I agree that the writer either had never seen Montana play or is suffering from dementia.

Sure but its not really all about running and getting yardage. Being agile, fluid and having just great physical ability is a big part of it. Clearly Joe was not Mike Vick or Russell Wilson but IMO Joe threw on the run more accurately than 99% of the QBs do sitting in the pocket.

FWIW I think Brady is a very good athlete. He was drafted as a catcher for the Expos. Part of me thinks that if TB12 put his mind to it, he could have played MLB as a 1st baseman or corner OF.
 
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He's a pretty good QB. I wouldn't abandon TB, but there isn't any other QB I would rather have other than TB and/or AR. Top shelf, both of them. Don't hate AR because the media suckups are fawning over him.
I don't think anyone here hates Aaron Rodgers. There is a lot of respect and admiration for his talent. And I personally think his TV commercials are funnier than Manning's. However, there is a level of frustration with the sports media which seem to be adverse to giving Brady the credit he deserves.
 
Even though Brady didn't post big numbers in the two losses to the Giants, he had the Pats in the lead in the last quarter of each game. The defense (and Welker) couldn't hold. Shouldn't he get some partial credit such as you are giving Rodgers?

Sure. Let me do a Brady write up like i did Rodgers. Will take a while though. Brady has a few more games : P
 
You could say the same thing about the Baltimore game last year. It never should have been that close. The defense allowed Flacco to pass all over them to put us down 14 points twice. Yet Brady still overcame those two 14 point deficits (something that has never been done before in a playoff game.) That's what sets Brady apart.

The difference is IMO Brady and the Pats put up 35 Points and won. Rodgers and the Packers put up 45 points and lost. Would you hold it against Brady if he played the way he did against Baltimore but Baltimore put up 45 points in regulation? I would not.

I don't care what anyone ever says. GB and Rodgers put up 45 points in regulation. That should always be enough. Always always always.
 
The difference is IMO Brady and the Pats put up 35 Points and won. Rodgers and the Packers put up 45 points and lost. Would you hold it against Brady if he played the way he did against Baltimore but Baltimore put up 45 points in regulation? I would not.

I don't care what anyone ever says. GB and Rodgers put up 45 points in regulation. That should always be enough. Always always always.

That doesn't matter. The question is whether or not he is a clutch QB and can consistently lead his team to victory when it matters.

He put up 45 on them because he is talented (which no one denies.) What happened before OT is irrelevant. He had another opportunity to close out the game in OT and he fumbled, because he just isn't clutch.

Arizona wasn't even that impressive that year.

I don't care to make excuses for Brady. You can blame him for all his losses if you want. He still has a far better playoff resume than any QB in the history of the game.
 
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Brady write up.

1st game - win - 16-13 - IMO a good game considering it was in a blizzard (a real one) - was clutch at the end.. would have been nice if he did more in the first 3 qts though
2nd game - win - good game.. kinda - Got hurt half way through but was having a good game.
3rd game - win - meh/good game - Great finish but really only put up 13 points in perfect conditions. Still clutch at the ends makes me elevate this above just a meh. Also the Rams had a good D. 1st ring
4th game - win - meh game - I know it was cold.. Still just a meh game. 17 points without much wind even n the colds is pretty meh. Still not bad though.
5th game - win - good game - The stats here were worse but he lead them to more scoring drives even though he had a pick. Bad conditions again so i grade on a curve. 22 points against a good pass rush (2 was a safety) though. Yes only lead them to 1 TD but no need to do anything risky.
6th game - win - good game - Really good. enough said. 2nd ring.
7th game - win - good game - A bit of snow but not horrible IIRC. Still a solid game and 20 points in non-perfect conditions.
8th game - win - game good - enough said
9th game - win - good game - enough said 3rd ring.
10th game - win - good game - enough said
11th game - loss - bad game - bad by everyone including brady.
12th game - win - good game - not much to add
13th game - win - bad game/meh - made a few clutch plays but this was a lucky win TBH. A pick that would have iced it fumbled for a 1st down? Made clutch plays too but should not have been in it.
14th game - loss - good game - The first loss Brady absolutely deserved to win. That pick at the end was unfortunate but no time left and clearly played well enough to win.
15th game - win - good game - enough said
16th game - win - meh game/bad - Scored just 21 with 2 picks but made some plays so i will go half meh half bad.
17th game - loss - bad game - (SB loss) - Yes a lot of things contributed to this loss but one was Brady did not play well. He had the ability to go to more short quick passes but was stubborn and kept going to Moss deep and getting hurried sacked. Yes he put them up early in the 4th but 14 points is not enough.
18th game - loss - bad game - enough said
19th game - loss - meh game - enough said - got 21 vs a touch D. I don't give that a bad grade though he could have been better.
20th game - win - good game
21st game - win - meh game
22nd game - loss - meh/good game (5th SB) Could have done better but overall played better than his stats and score says.
23nd game - win - good game
24th game - loss - bad game
25th game - win - good game
26th game - loss - meh game
27th game - win - good game
28th game - win - good game
29th game - win - good game

So Brady has 1-2 games he won he maybe should have lost and 1-2 he lose maybe he should have won.
 
Rodger's playoff record: 7-5.

Brady's playoff record after 12 games: 11-1.

They are not close to equal in what matters most, winning playoff games and winning championships. Rodgers will be 32 at the end of this season. He doesn't have a lot of time to catch Brady, particularly when you consider that Brady is still posting playoff victories and winning championships.

i thought rodgers is 6-5 playoffs,
 
I dont get all the aaron rodgers hate. It makes us as a fan base look petty. He has won one superbowl.. There are seasons where statistically he is better than brady but honestly who cares. Brady wins.. He wins afccg he wins superbowls. He is the greatest qb of all time. Green bay has a great qb who wont even be in the conversation with brady unless he wins two more sbs and thats if brady doesnt win another one. Other teams are allowed to have great players without us being threatened.
 
I dont get all the aaron rodgers hate. It makes us as a fan base look petty. He has won one superbowl.. There are seasons where statistically he is better than brady but honestly who cares. Brady wins.. He wins afccg he wins superbowls. He is the greatest qb of all time. Green bay has a great qb who wont even be in the conversation with brady unless he wins two more sbs and thats if brady doesnt win another one. Other teams are allowed to have great players without us being threatened.

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This thread isn't exactly oozing with 'hate'.
 
I just don't get how someone can call him the greatest ever right now. Brady is currently still adding to his resume.

Article didn't say "greatest ever". It said "best ever", which is somewhat less vulnerable to the "Where are all his rings?" critique.

Freeman's claim boils down to "Mentally awesome, and physically superior to Brady and Montana". It's not crazy.

Now, I think that Brady is mentally better yet, that he's also better at inspiring his teammates, and that Montana should be marked up for the difficulties of passing in his era more than he should be marked down for having the help of Stickum Jerry. But if Freeman disagrees, that's OK.

What WAS odd about the article was that he mentioned Brady only once, and that in a throwaway line at the end. On the one hand, it's not clear where other mentions of Brady would have fit in the flow of his argument. On the other hand, the fact that mentioning Brady wouldn't have fit well casts doubts on the solidity of his views.
 
Nothing surprising, Rodgers is great at home and the seahawks sucks on the road. Even the rams looks great against them.
 
Warren Moon also was not a statue. Up until his mid-30s, Moon did just fine at scrambling around and had a Pro Bowl year at age 39.

Yikes. I missed that bit.

Maybe my view of the article was too kind ...
 
FWIW I think Brady is a very good athlete. He was drafted as a catcher for the Expos. Part of me thinks that if TB12 put his mind to it, he could have played MLB as a 1st baseman or corner OF.
As a catcher, he'd be perfect at calling a game for the pitcher. That would be right down his alley, making adjustments and mastering the cerebral part of the game.
 
OK, I've read enough

Here is the thing. There a few facts that we all agree with. First that Aaron Rodgers is a fabulous QB. All the attributes that Freeman (scumbag) points are true and give proof to the fact that

1. Aaron Rodgers might be one of the most gifted passers in history

2. The combination of his passing sklils AND athleitic mobility is probably unparalleled

3. He's a very smart player who can make big plays without making big mistakes.

All these things are true. There are 30 teams that would sell their souls at the chance to have him play on their team. The other 2 are the Packers who have him, and the Pats who don't need him.

HOWEVER the flaw in Freeman's (scumbag) theory is he fails to include ALL of the attributes that has to go into the GOAT, and fails to make the distinction between the physical skills of a great QB, and all the OTHER things that need to go into it.

1. He has a proven record of making his teammates better (just ask Reche Chaldwell and Troy Brown) but not just the receivers

2. His leadership can lift his teammates

3. His force of will can overcome obstacles

IMO it is hard to measure a QB's worth strictly on the results of one game, any more than merely compiling stats makes Peyton Manning the GOAT. That's because it's so antithetical to the most impartant aspect of the game. The game is much more about the team than the individual. Tom Brady hasn't won a single superbowl, but clearly contributed to more than any other in history. If you just count superbowls then Terry Bradshaw is one of the 3 best QB's in all times, despite the fact he played in an era with less competition, He played on a team that was on steriods, and loaded with HOFer's. His skill level was never more than good, and he wasn't even the focus of his offense.

No one in their right mind with include Bradshaw in a list of the top 10 QB's of all time. Neither would Terry. You see it's not just the rings that make Brady the greatest, its what he added to the team to get them. things like his leadership, drive, will, and commitment. No great QB did more to lift his team to higher levels. That's why Brady could do the things he did without great receivers, HOF RB's etc. He made the players like Givens, Brown and Branch.....good enough. He helped craft them until they ALL could reach elite levels TOGETHER for that year.

When you think of it. unlike Rodgers, Brady is a completely self made player. He's had on 2 advantages in his career. Those are to play for BB, the other is to be in one basice system for his entire career.
I only bring all this out is because Brady can NEVER compare to Aaron Rodgers. physically and as an athlete. That's just a fact. However the mind is an even more important aspect to a QB's success, and in THAT area, Rodgers isn't in Brady's category. There are some things that Rodgers is better than Brady, but in the areas of Leadership, teamwork building, and mental toughness Rodgers can't compare, and the end result is that Brady's skills are more important to winning than even Rodger's prodigious physical skills

We see the end results best in the playoffs where the games are the most competitive and the adversity is at it's worst. It's in THOSE games where Brady shows his greatness, and not just his skill.
 
If you look at the rushing stats for QBs, Rodgers looks better than Montana or Elway, but behind Young. I don't immediately have an opinion as to how those figures should be compared between eras.

Anyway, none of those guys is Michael Vick, but none of them is Brady either.

Marino was even worse -- he actually had negative rushing yards most seasons, something Brady has never had.

Aikman was on the Brady level.
 
I posted it because an article such as this is like pulling teeth in regards to Brady.

Where is the article about Brady demolishing that unbeatable Bills defense as a testament to his insane ability? Crickets. It's always like that. He could have 11 rings, and like Russell be seen as 1A.
 
As a catcher, he'd be perfect at calling a game for the pitcher. That would be right down his alley, making adjustments and mastering the cerebral part of the game.

He also has the physical toughness for catcher.
 
I dont get all the aaron rodgers hate. It makes us as a fan base look petty. He has won one superbowl.. There are seasons where statistically he is better than brady but honestly who cares. Brady wins.. He wins afccg he wins superbowls. He is the greatest qb of all time. Green bay has a great qb who wont even be in the conversation with brady unless he wins two more sbs and thats if brady doesnt win another one. Other teams are allowed to have great players without us being threatened.


What hate and who is threatened? We as Pats fans know who is the GOAT. It's just idiots like Freeman who run to their computers to click submit after Rodgers finally beat the Seahawks to proclaim him the GOAT. Guy was 25 of 33 for 250 yards and 2 TD with 91 of those yards coming in the 4th quarter. Brady in the biggest game of the year in the 4th quarter down 10. Went 13 for 15 124 yards 2 TD against basically the same defense. Then the sheer audacity to print this story after Brady has pretty much had his best start to a season ever.

Guy is boasting about Rodgers only having 13 incompletions on the year (43 of 56 76.8%). TB has 28 incompletions this year but he's thrown the ball 91 times and has 63 completed passes which is a 69.2% completion percentage. He's thrown 35 more times than Rodgers and has only 15 more incompletions. Which means Brady is 7 incompletions from having the same completion percentage as Rodgers but with almost double the attempts. Which there was about 6 drops from Pats receivers yesterday, they hang onto those and Brady basically has the same completions percentage and a 131.3 QB rating for the season
 
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