OT: Freeman Slobberfest over Rodgers

[FourierSeries]

Rodger's playoff record: 7-5.

Brady's playoff record after 12 games: 11-1.

They are not close to equal in what matters most, winning playoff games and winning championships. Rodgers will be 32 at the end of this season. He doesn't have a lot of time to catch Brady, particularly when you consider that Brady is still posting playoff victories and winning championships.

Actually, Rodgers' playoff record is only 6-5.

 

[Deus Irae]

If the Pats didn't have Brady, goodness how could you NOT want Rodgers as your QB?

Because he'll be 33 in December, and Luck will only be 27...

I find that to be an interesting call, with legitimate arguments for both choices.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Matthew Stafford is a fantasy QB.

Rodney was bold with his commentary on Stafford getting plowed out of bounds and only one teammate came to his rescue.....Has no respect in the locker room.

 

[bresna]

I read this article and couldn't believe this paragraph:
"Not even history's great quarterbacks were as well-rounded as Rodgers. Joe Montana had great accuracy but not great athleticism. He also had Jerry Rice. Warren Moon and Dan Marino were statues in the pocket. Steve Young was terrific, but even he wasn't as good as Rodgers. He also had Jerry Rice."

Notice how he omits one name from his list of "history's great quarterbacks"? What a moron. Does he forget that Rogers choked up a hairball in the playoffs last year and that Brady came back from 10 points against that same defense? My guess is yes. Yes he does forget that.

 

[JMC00]

Rodger's playoff record: 7-5.

It's actually 6-5. Some places credited him for a win that was Favre's win. Rodgers came in for one drive when they were up 22 with 3 minutes left and handed off 3 times.

Also currently Rodgers through 6 playoff appearances has 3 one and dones. Brady through 12 only has 2.

 

[Deus Irae]

I read this article and couldn't believe this paragraph:
"Not even history's great quarterbacks were as well-rounded as Rodgers. Joe Montana had great accuracy but not great athleticism. He also had Jerry Rice. Warren Moon and Dan Marino were statues in the pocket. Steve Young was terrific, but even he wasn't as good as Rodgers. He also had Jerry Rice."

Notice how he omits one name from his list of "history's great quarterbacks"? What a moron. Does he forget that Rogers choked up a hairball in the playoffs last year and that Brady came back from 10 points against that same defense? My guess is yes. Yes he does forget that.

It's Freeman, so it's to be expected. Ignored in his "never before..." argument is that, just in the last playoffs, Brady did two things that had never been done before:

Come back from two 14 point deficits in one playoff game
Come back from 10 down in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl.

 

[BobDigital]

Rodger's playoff record: 7-5.

Brady's playoff record after 12 games: 11-1.

They are not close to equal in what matters most, winning playoff games and winning championships. Rodgers will be 32 at the end of this season. He doesn't have a lot of time to catch Brady, particularly when you consider that Brady is still posting playoff victories and winning championships.

How about give Brady's full playoff record? 21-8. Nothing wrong with that at all. When you do it the way you did you load the argument in a way you don't need to. No QB in the modern NFL will ever touch that. I think Brady is the GOAT I just think Rodgers can join that convo along with Brady/Montana/Staubach. I think he can be that good.

Like i said he needs to win a few more to do that though.

 

[NormZauchin]

Actually, Rodgers' playoff record is only 6-5.

Pro-Football Reference shows 7-5, but it irrelevant to my point, which is that there is a substantial difference between Brady and Rodgers in playoff performance, and that the slobberfest article reprises what we have seen over the past decade and a half with regard to comparisons between Brady and Manning. The sports media can now longer ride the Manning nag - he's headed for the glue factory - so they're pimping Rodgers.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I read this article and couldn't believe this paragraph:
"Not even history's great quarterbacks were as well-rounded as Rodgers. Joe Montana had great accuracy but not great athleticism. He also had Jerry Rice. Warren Moon and Dan Marino were statues in the pocket. Steve Young was terrific, but even he wasn't as good as Rodgers. He also had Jerry Rice."

Notice how he omits one name from his list of "history's great quarterbacks"? What a moron. Does he forget that Rogers choked up a hairball in the playoffs last year and that Brady came back from 10 points against that same defense? My guess is yes. Yes he does forget that.

Not only that but hes factually inaccurate.

Joe Montana had excellent athleticism. I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that. Clearly he has not seen Joe Cool play a lot.

Dan Marino was not a statue. He could slide up down and side to side better than practically every QB in history. That is not being a statue. Tony Eason was a statue.

Warren Moon also was not a statue. Up until his mid-30s, Moon did just fine at scrambling around and had a Pro Bowl year at age 39.

I'll agree that Rodgers > Rice on any level except running and scrambling.

Terrible article. He should go work for the Globe.

 

[Deus Irae]

Pro-Football Reference shows 7-5, but it irrelevant to my point, which is that there is a substantial difference between Brady and Rodgers in playoff performance, and that the slobberfest article reprises what we have seen over the past decade and a half with regard to comparisons between Brady and Manning. The sports media can now longer ride the Manning nag - he's headed for the glue factory - so they're pimping Rodgers.

PFR has it at both 6-5 and 7-5:

6-5
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm

7-5
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00/gamelog/post/


They've got a discrepancy they need to fix. It seems to be a problem with the game log page, where Rodgers is credited a win for 2007. He's 6-5 in the playoffs as a starter.

 

[BobDigital]

Don't get me wrong. I think this is a bit too much praise for Rodgers based off what he has done (7 years starter (though was injured 1) and 1 SB championship.

Here is how i see Rodgers post season play. He is 6-5 but by all rights should be better than that.

1st game - loss 45-51 while throwing for 4 TDs 423 yards and 1 Int. I don't put that on him.
2nd game -win - good game
3rd game - win - good game
4th game - win - bad game. Got a rushing TD but won an ugly game with 2 Ints... 21-14
5th game - win - SB win - good game.
6th game - loss - bad game lost 20-37 (to the NYG who would win it all. Still could have done better but that D was hard to score on)
7th game - win - good game, easy win vs the Vikings
8th game - loss - good game though... Put up 31 and had a pretty good day but SF put up 45.
9th game - loss - meh game - did okay but lost 20-23.. Could have done better but played a solid game. That loss is on him though. Should have done more.
10th game - win - good game
11th game - loss - bad game - A bit banged up though but kinda a miracle loss. I think they would have lost to us anyway though.

Anyway i see 2 loses that are IMO not on him (1st game and 8th game) and maybe another last year depending on how injured you think he was (personally i don't think he was that injured though).

I just think if Brady lost while putting up 31 and 45 points in a game we would not hold those against him so why hold them against Rodgers?

I think unlike Peyton (who consistently puts up scoring totals below 20 in his choke jobs) Rodgers has got a bit of an unfair choke label. However if this keeps up and he never wins another ring we should go back and address if he is a choker. I do believe he will get at least 1 more ring though. Hopefully not this year.

 

[Canuck]

Rodgers is a really really good QB. IMO he is the second best QB playing today. He is probably the best passer I've seen. Brady has the edge when it comes to the mental part of the game. Brady's mental toughness and understanding of the game is what sets him apart from other great QB's. Not only is Brady mentally tough, he is physically tough. You can make an argument that Brady is the GOAT and great as Rodgers is, he simply isn't close to being considered for that title yet. Still it is easy to see why people are Rodger's fans, I know I am one of them.

 

[BobDigital]

I read this article and couldn't believe this paragraph:
"Not even history's great quarterbacks were as well-rounded as Rodgers. Joe Montana had great accuracy but not great athleticism. He also had Jerry Rice. Warren Moon and Dan Marino were statues in the pocket. Steve Young was terrific, but even he wasn't as good as Rodgers. He also had Jerry Rice."

Notice how he omits one name from his list of "history's great quarterbacks"? What a moron. Does he forget that Rogers choked up a hairball in the playoffs last year and that Brady came back from 10 points against that same defense? My guess is yes. Yes he does forget that.

The article is badly written no doubt. Personally I have him in the same class a Young right now. They play a lot alike. I think history will end up considering Rodgers the better QB of the 2 though. However is it not like he is some amazing athlete we have never seen from the pocket. I think Young/Montana/Elway were equally good athletes who were also elite QBs.

 

[NormZauchin]

Not only that but hes factually inaccurate.

Joe Montana had excellent athleticism. I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that. Clearly he has not seen Joe Cool play a lot.

Dan Marino was not a statue. He could slide up down and side to side better than practically every QB in history. That is not being a statue. Tony Eason was a statue.

Warren Moon also was not a statue. Up until his mid-30s, Moon did just fine at scrambling around and had a Pro Bowl year at age 39.

I'll agree that Rodgers > Rice on any level except running and scrambling.

Terrible article. He should go work for the Globe.

In 1983, Montana had 61 rushes with an average of 4.7 yards per carry. I agree that the writer either had never seen Montana play or is suffering from dementia.

 

[FourierSeries]

Don't get me wrong. I think this is a bit too much praise for Rodgers based off what he has done (7 years starter (though was injured 1) and 1 SB championship.

Here is how i see Rodgers post season play. He is 6-5 but by all rights should be better than that.

1st game - loss 45-51 while throwing for 4 TDs 423 yards and 1 Int. I don't put that on him.
2nd game -win - good game
3rd game - win - good game
4th game - win - bad game. Got a rushing TD but won an ugly game with 2 Ints... 21-14
5th game - win - SB win - good game.
6th game - loss - bad game lost 20-37 (to the NYG who would win it all. Still could have done better but that D was hard to score on)
7th game - win - good game, easy win vs the Vikings
8th game - loss - good game though... Put up 31 and had a pretty good day but SF put up 45.
9th game - loss - meh game - did okay but lost 20-23.. Could have done better but played a solid game. That loss is on him though. Should have done more.
10th game - win - good game
11th game - loss - bad game - A bit banged up though but kinda a miracle loss. I think they would have lost to us anyway though.

Anyway i see 2 loses that are IMO not on him (1st game and 8th game) and maybe another last year depending on how injured you think he was (personally i don't think he was that injured though).

I just think if Brady lost while putting up 31 and 45 points in a game we would not hold those against him so why hold them against Rodgers?

I think unlike Peyton (who consistently puts up scoring totals below 20 in his choke jobs) Rodgers has got a bit of an unfair choke label. However if this keeps up and he never wins another ring we should go back and address if he is a choker. I do believe he will get at least 1 more ring though. Hopefully not this year.

The game where he put up 45 points he fumbled the ball at the most critical point in the game (in OT) and it resulted in a loss.

 

[Deus Irae]

Don't get me wrong. I think this is a bit too much praise for Rodgers based off what he has done (7 years starter (though was injured 1) and 1 SB championship.

Here is how i see Rodgers post season play. He is 6-5 but by all rights should be better than that.

1st game - loss 45-51 while throwing for 4 TDs 423 yards and 1 Int. I don't put that on him.
2nd game -win - good game
3rd game - win - good game
4th game - win - bad game. Got a rushing TD but won an ugly game with 2 Ints... 21-14
5th game - win - SB win - good game.
6th game - loss - bad game lost 20-37 (to the NYG who would win it all. Still could have done better but that D was hard to score on)
7th game - win - good game, easy win vs the Vikings
8th game - loss - good game though... Put up 31 and had a pretty good day but SF put up 45.
9th game - loss - meh game - did okay but lost 20-23.. Could have done better but played a solid game. That loss is on him though. Should have done more.
10th game - win - good game
11th game - loss - bad game - A bit banged up though but kinda a miracle loss. I think they would have lost to us anyway though.

Anyway i see 2 loses that are IMO not on him (1st game and 8th game) and maybe another last year depending on how injured you think he was (personally i don't think he was that injured though).

I just think if Brady lost while putting up 31 and 45 points in a game we would not hold those against him so why hold them against Rodgers?

I think unlike Peyton (who consistently puts up scoring totals below 20 in his choke jobs) Rodgers has got a bit of an unfair choke label. However if this keeps up and he never wins another ring we should go back and address if he is a choker. I do believe he will get at least 1 more ring though. Hopefully not this year.

It's tough to just look at points. In that SF loss, for example, 7 of the 31 points came from a Sam Shields pick-6 of Kaepernick, and the INT that Rodgers threw ended up with SF getting the ball on the GB side of the field, and SF scored a TD on that drive.

 

[BobDigital]

The game where he put up 45 points he fumbled the ball at the most critical point in the game (in OT) and it resulted in a loss.

Well frankly that game should not have ever made it into over time.

It's tough to just look at points. In that SF loss, for example, 7 of the 31 points came from a Sam Shields pick-6 of Kaepernick, and the INT that Rodgers threw ended up with SF getting the ball on the GB side of the field, and SF scored a TD on that drive.

Oh i forgot about that. My bad : P And yes turnovers often lead to points. Even if they don't they are still as bad as ones that don't. Still he put up 24 points against a very good D. I feel like he played well enough to win that game.

It is just people call Rodgers a choker when IDK if he has ever scored less than 20 points in a playoff game. While real chokers like Manning score in the low teens and sometimes single digits in a lot of their loses.

 

[ViperGTS]

I just don't get how someone can call him the greatest ever right now. Brady is currently still adding to his resume.

Basically why I posted it. It's Manning. It's Rodgers. It never stops. I love Rodgers, but geez it's borderline mental the gushing over him.

So desperate. I've always said its because he was a 6th round pick. That's been his black mark in the NFL power brokers minds since day one.

 

[Deus Irae]

Rodgers is the 2nd best QB in the game today.
Rodgers is probably going to go down as the 3rd best QB in the 2000s once he retires.

That's enough. We don't need to artificially raise him higher than that.

 

[NormZauchin]

Don't get me wrong. I think this is a bit too much praise for Rodgers based off what he has done (7 years starter (though was injured 1) and 1 SB championship.

Here is how i see Rodgers post season play. He is 6-5 but by all rights should be better than that.

1st game - loss 45-51 while throwing for 4 TDs 423 yards and 1 Int. I don't put that on him.
2nd game -win - good game
3rd game - win - good game
4th game - win - bad game. Got a rushing TD but won an ugly game with 2 Ints... 21-14
5th game - win - SB win - good game.
6th game - loss - bad game lost 20-37 (to the NYG who would win it all. Still could have done better but that D was hard to score on)
7th game - win - good game, easy win vs the Vikings
8th game - loss - good game though... Put up 31 and had a pretty good day but SF put up 45.
9th game - loss - meh game - did okay but lost 20-23.. Could have done better but played a solid game. That loss is on him though. Should have done more.
10th game - win - good game
11th game - loss - bad game - A bit banged up though but kinda a miracle loss. I think they would have lost to us anyway though.

Anyway i see 2 loses that are IMO not on him (1st game and 8th game) and maybe another last year depending on how injured you think he was (personally i don't think he was that injured though).

I just think if Brady lost while putting up 31 and 45 points in a game we would not hold those against him so why hold them against Rodgers?

I think unlike Peyton (who consistently puts up scoring totals below 20 in his choke jobs) Rodgers has got a bit of an unfair choke label. However if this keeps up and he never wins another ring we should go back and address if he is a choker. I do believe he will get at least 1 more ring though. Hopefully not this year.

Even though Brady didn't post big numbers in the two losses to the Giants, he had the Pats in the lead in the last quarter of each game. The defense (and Welker) couldn't hold. Shouldn't he get some partial credit such as you are giving Rodgers?