Schefter: Pats won't try to recoup lost picks

[Observer]

What a pathetic owner Kraft is. Belichick deserves better.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Maybe you should read my other post full of facts. Being a season ticket owner since 1971, buying a broken down racetrack and a **** stadium out of bankruptcy, thereby preventing one owner from moving the team to Jacksonville and another from moving the team to St. Louis and privately financing a showpiece stadium...

I don't think people appreciate what they have, not by half. I don't wish a bad owner on people, but there are plenty out there.

I appreciate your passion and maybe we're talking 2 different points

I'm simply saying, I no longer believe Kraft's words can be taken as that of a fan of the team. They sound nice and all, but the actions are that of an owner with a vested interest in seeing his business grow.

Doesn't mean he doesn't like the team or have a personal connection to the players. I believe he does
Doesn't mean he didn't do things that benefited us fans. Not sure an owner has done more for any professional sports team

It's ok to disagree with my opinion .

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

The important thing is that all profits have to be reinvested in the team. The board of directors may get bonuses and such if the team does well financially, but the Packers lack the same profit motive that the other teams have. The team also can't be sold (or, it can be, but a charitable foundation receives all proceeds).

Clearly the leagues are afraid of this type of nonprofit governance, though. As you said, the NFL has banned it, with the Packers grandfathered in. The Padres owner tried to will the team to the city of San Diego after he died and the rest of the owners forbade it.

Why is that an important thing? The executives still make money, the team has the same cap, the tickets are just as expensive, the field is no different than any other, and the team isn't more successful than the owned teams. Often things that run for no profit aren't run very well since there's no incentive for success.

Not that I believe the Packers are run badly, but outside of scamming their fans for $250 pieces of paper to get the same thing every other fan base gets for free I don't see anything special about the GB ownership model.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I guess some people are new. for the record, nobody wanted the team in 1960 for any sum, especially without a stadium or the possibility Mass politicians would lift a finger to help build one.

Sullivan kept the team going with no stadium,. then a craphole wreck of a stadium when he was forced to find one or sell by the league.

Victor Kiam, Orthwein, assorted shady characters like Murray with the team.

No one that's followed the team a long time thinks that building a stadium was a prudent business move.









https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kraft

Yeah, just lucked into the team, not a fan, hates the team.

Nice straw man. You've done a bang up job arguing a point that nobody was arguing in the first place. Solid work. Kraft doesn't get extra credit because the guys before him sucked.

And yes, building Gillette Stadium has been a profitable move. Kraft put up a bunch of money, and he made a bunch more money for doing it. It's been profitable and will continue to be profitable well into the future. It wasn't charity, and it's stupid to act like it was. We don't owe Kraft anything for that.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I guess some people are new. for the record, nobody wanted the team in 1960 for any sum, especially without a stadium or the possibility Mass politicians would lift a finger to help build one.

Sullivan kept the team going with no stadium,. then a craphole wreck of a stadium when he was forced to find one or sell by the league.

Victor Kiam, Orthwein, assorted shady characters like Murray with the team.

No one that's followed the team a long time thinks that building a stadium was a prudent business move.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kraft

Yeah, just lucked into the team, not a fan, hates the team.

Honestly, who gives a **** if he is/was a fan of the team? Kraft made a smart business move, did was he does best which was to leverage the situation in his favor in order to buy the team, building the stadium added immense value. He was also very fortunate to buy the team when he did. Fans shared in the benefits of his very profitable decisions. It does not give him a free pass for life.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

I don't see why he would do that. Just stick to the usual plan.

It's just a theory. But if I'm Bill, I wouldn't rule it out....especially if there's a chance I can get a really talented player.

 

[primetime]

Why is that an important thing? The executives still make money, the team has the same cap, the tickets are just as expensive, the field is no different than any other, and the team isn't more successful than the owned teams. Often things that run for no profit aren't run very well since there's no incentive for success.

Not that I believe the Packers are run badly, but outside of scamming their fans for $250 pieces of paper to get the same thing every other fan base gets for free I don't see anything special about the GB ownership model.

For one thing, "scamming" willing participants for money for stadium upgrades (and paying out of revenues) is far superior to scamming unwilling taxpayers, who see no return on it either. For another, a team concerned with profit would have long ago abandoned a tiny industrial city in northern Wisconsin. Finally, its books are open to the public.

 

[vyrago]

He made a profitable investment. Good for him, I'm glad he did.

I certainly don't owe him anything for that, and neither does anyone else. He's made enough money from the fan base that any debt you could possibly argue we owe him has been paid in full.

So building the stadium was a no-risk venture? If so why don't more owners do it? I didn't like the Kraft fold either, but treating him like public enemy number one and a scumbag is childish. As a number of people have pointed out, Al Davis did take on the NFL and he was treated as a combination laughing stock-pariah. Who wants to spend his declining years--or any years, for that matter--being treated like that? Furthermore, shouldn't we wait and see how Tom seems to feel about RK? He's the "injured party," not us.

 

[Deus Irae]

So building the stadium was a no-risk venture? If so why don't more owners do it?

Because they get the cities to pony up the millions. Economics 101

 

[TommyD4207]

So building the stadium was a no-risk venture? If so why don't more owners do it? I didn't like the Kraft fold either, but treating him like public enemy number one and a scumbag is childish. As a number of people have pointed out, Al Davis did take on the NFL and he was treated as a combination laughing stock-pariah. Who wants to spend his declining years--or any years, for that matter--being treated like that? Furthermore, shouldn't we wait and see how Tom seems to feel about RK? He's the "injured party," not us.

Because they can get it paid for by their moron taxpayers and the moron governments of their particular municipalities and states.

That's not a possibility here.

 

[BradyFTW!]

So building the stadium was a no-risk venture? If so why don't more owners do it? I didn't like the Kraft fold either, but treating him like public enemy number one and a scumbag is childish. As a number of people have pointed out, Al Davis did take on the NFL and he was treated as a combination laughing stock-pariah. Who wants to spend his declining years--or any years, for that matter--being treated like that? Furthermore, shouldn't we wait and see how Tom seems to feel about RK? He's the "injured party," not us.

Who said building the stadium was a no-risk venture?

There was some risk. There's always risk when you undertake a project in the hundreds of millions. But Kraft didn't undertake that project out of benevolence. He made an investment. That's what businessmen do, and he did it. Now he makes money off the team, money off the stadium, money off Patriot Place, a home for both of his pro franchises, etc. etc. It's a moneymaking venture.

He spent money, and now he's making money. Capitalism is working as intended. There was nothing charitable about this investment, and therefore we don't owe him anything.

And by the way, Kraft is already being treated as a laughingstock pariah. How else would you categorize the past 8 months? He's Goodell's dedicated punching bag, to be thrashed around whenever his public image needs rehabbing. Say what you want about Al Davis, but the fans always knew whose side he was on. He would never have bent over for someone who was clearly out to get him anyway, and I respected that about him.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

For one thing, "scamming" willing participants for money for stadium upgrades (and paying out of revenues) is far superior to scamming unwilling taxpayers, who see no return on it either.

I agree with that.

For another, a team concerned with profit would have long ago abandoned a tiny industrial city in northern Wisconsin. Finally, its books are open to the public. A great deal of

What makes you think they would have abandoned GB? It's one of the most popular teams in the NFL, its popularity is not confined to the city. I don't see any reason to believe the team would be more profitable elsewhere. And they're not the only team in a smaller city, or with a stadium that wasn't tax funded.

So again I don't see how this model has brought them anything you can't find elsewhere other than they don't make profit which it appears you think is good, though you haven't told me who it's good for.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

So building the stadium was a no-risk venture? If so why don't more owners do it? I didn't like the Kraft fold either, but treating him like public enemy number one and a scumbag is childish. As a number of people have pointed out, Al Davis did take on the NFL and he was treated as a combination laughing stock-pariah. Who wants to spend his declining years--or any years, for that matter--being treated like that? Furthermore, shouldn't we wait and see how Tom seems to feel about RK? He's the "injured party," not us.

I'd rather spend my declining years alone standing up and fighting for what is right and for what I believe in than selling out for the almighty dollar and membership in some ******** private club.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

So building the stadium was a no-risk venture? If so why don't more owners do it? I didn't like the Kraft fold either, but treating him like public enemy number one and a scumbag is childish. As a number of people have pointed out, Al Davis did take on the NFL and he was treated as a combination laughing stock-pariah. Who wants to spend his declining years--or any years, for that matter--being treated like that? Furthermore, shouldn't we wait and see how Tom seems to feel about RK? He's the "injured party," not us.

You're calling others childish yet telling them to wait for Brady to tell them how to feel.

 

[TommyD4207]

You're calling others childish yet telling them to wait for Brady to tell them how to feel.

Beyond that, Brady's not the only "injured party".

We all are. We're the ones that have to potentially suffer, because there's not a 10-year veteran on the team in 2025, who is important to the team's success. That's what losing a first-round pick generally means.

Long after Brady and Belichick are gone.

That's something we, the coaches, the staff and the players have to deal with at THAT time.

All because Kraft wants the other owners to like him, which they never will, because no matter how hard he tries, he'll always be an outsider in that "club".

 

[PittPatriot]

If we do that, I vote for Joker to represent us at the owners meetings

Hahaha. Well, I was thinking Deus but I think we can have a great advisory board of Patsfans leaders.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Kraft was forced to drink his own poison?

Albert Breer ?@AlbertBreer 4m4 minutes ago
Said it on NFLN, 98.5, etc. ... Reason for Kraft not to fight team penalties: He was always 1st to get clubs to back down to Goodell in past

 

[BradyFTW!]

Kraft was forced to drink his own poison?

Albert Breer ?@AlbertBreer 4m4 minutes ago
Said it on NFLN, 98.5, etc. ... Reason for Kraft not to fight team penalties: He was always 1st to get clubs to back down to Goodell in past

Or in other words: because he's been such a dedicated Goodell sycophant, he's now left holding the bag to avoid looking like a hypocrite after all that sychophancy spectacularly backfired on him. Not only did he fail to curry any favor, but Goodell made a point of bringing the hammer down on him to combat the mere perception that he might have been currying favor.

Man, pretty much everything Kraft's said or done re: Goodell over the past decade has objectively blown up in his face. Hard to believe that the pattern still somehow escapes his notice.

Frankly, the amount of dedication he has to someone who clearly has no regard for him is kind of pathetic.

 

[PittPatriot]

The NFL doesn't allow that anymore. And the GB "stock" isn't real stock. It's just a piece of paper they sell to suckers when they need money. The 7 people who run the team aren't even chosen by the stock holders, and the stock has no value.

Well, a guy can dream. Really, all I want an owner who isn't a passive fanboy who wants to be liked by everyone...even if it means alienating his devoted fanbase.

 

[PittPatriot]

I'd rather spend my declining years alone standing up and fighting for what is right and for what I believe in than selling out for the almighty dollar and membership in some ******** private club.

Mahatma Gandhi did that. He got shot for it...but he still stood for something bigger than himself.