Matt Gutierrez

[mikey]

http://patriots.scout.com/2/643829.html

Patriots QB Has The Background To Succeed

The similarities to Matt Cassel and Tom Brady are unavoidable when looking at Matt Gutierrez. More talented than the undrafted free agent quarterbacks the Patriots brought in for camp the past few seasons, Gutierrez has the pedigree to go far in the NFL. One look at him in camp has many wondering how he went undrafted.


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[cstjohn17]

It would be unfair for me to rate him on the 15 seconds of footage from the weekend but I will anyway...

Running drill, very un Brady like, appeared to be pretty fast and well coordinated.

Throwing drill, threw a 7 yard pass over the middle a running back, appeared to have good velocity.

Hopefully he can win a spot on the PS and grow into a backup role.

 

[patchick]

Hopefully he can win a spot on the PS and grow into a backup role.

Bias alert: Gutierrez was one of my pet projects in the draft. I was seriously psyched when the Patriots signed him.

OK, with that out of the way, let me say...
- BB kept Brady as a 4th quarterback rather than expose him to the PS
- BB kept Cassel on the 53, releasing the previous year's backup, rather than expose him to the PS
- Carrying only 2 QBs was an aberration
- With Cassel in his next-to-last season, this is a logical time to start developing a young QB

I'd say Gutierrez has a much clearer path to the 53 than a lot of the guys drafted above him.

 

[Kdo5]

I wonder if he would ever be the half the steal like Brady was. I doubt it but he seems pretty good but we'll problably never know for sure if he is a steal because the chance of Brady going down is unlikely.

 

[Va_Pats_Fan]

I wonder if he would ever be the half the steal like Brady was. I doubt it but he seems pretty good but we'll problably never know for sure if he is a steal because the chance of Brady going down is unlikely.

I'll repeat what I said in the draft thread. Good friend of me is U of M alumni. Goes to EVERY game. I asked him about Gutierrez. He said he was good. Off the cuff I said "Brady good?".

He just smiled. Said yes. The story is that he lost his starting spot due to an injury. My friends story is he got in the coaches doghouse cause of a poorly played bad snap that cost them a score (Guess they take that badly up there). The injury was an excuse to sit him.

take it for what its worth....

 

[patsfan-1982]

ok gutierrez might be a good 3rd QB for us and maybe in 2 or 3 yers be some other teams starter but he will never be a brady when brady is done playing he will be the best QB ever with 5 or 6 rings

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Gutierrez is on the fast track now that Mikey's found his backside.

 

[zippo59]

Bias alert: Gutierrez was one of my pet projects in the draft. I was seriously psyched when the Patriots signed him.

OK, with that out of the way, let me say...
- BB kept Brady as a 4th quarterback rather than expose him to the PS

They carried four QBs that year because the team was so bad that they didn't have enough worthy players to fill up all 53 spots so he could afford to keep Brady on as the fourth QB. Had the team been decent, Brady would have probably been cut.

- BB kept Cassel on the 53, releasing the previous year's backup, rather than expose him to the PS

They kept Cassel and cut Davey simply because he was the better player. Davey had ram out of time and when Cassel came in during preseason he was more effective than Davey. They had Flutie as the vet so they could afford to keep the more talented player with more upside despite his youth and inexperience.

- Carrying only 2 QBs was an aberration

I think the plan the whole time was to enter the season with two QBs and then add a third ones more roster spots open up from inevitable injuries. They aren't going to keep a third QB over a player at another position who is more deserving just for the sake of having a third QB.

 

[mgteich]

I think that Gutierrez has a much better chance at the roster than any of the other UDFA's. I do think that he will end Training Camp on the Practice Squad.

 

[TripleOption]

Running drill, very un Brady like, appeared to be pretty fast and well coordinated.

In High School, he played at De La Salle in the Split Back Veer Offense. He was an Option QB, although when he was the starter, DLS passed quite a bit.

 

[TeamPats]

With the depth and battles we are expecting to have this year especially at WR, I don't think we will carry 3 QB's. If Testeverde is not signed anywhere, and I doubt he will be, look for him to be shadow rostered as our Emergenecy QB. I really see no way that Gutierrez makes this roster outside of a practice squad scenario. I mean the guy went undrafted, it's not like anyone is lookng to come in and scoop him out from under us. Right now the important thing is that we will have 2 strong and 1 capable QBs during Training Camp to get our WR's reps.

 

[arrellbee]

Bias alert: Gutierrez was one of my pet projects in the draft. I was seriously psyched when the Patriots signed him.

OK, with that out of the way, let me say...
- BB kept Brady as a 4th quarterback rather than expose him to the PS
- BB kept Cassel on the 53, releasing the previous year's backup, rather than expose him to the PS
- Carrying only 2 QBs was an aberration
- With Cassel in his next-to-last season, this is a logical time to start developing a young QB

I'd say Gutierrez has a much clearer path to the 53 than a lot of the guys drafted above him.

I tend to go along with patchick's view. There is a fair amount of history of the Pats keeping a 'project' QB on the 53 roster. If they kept Davey, as obvious as it was that he couldn't ever be an NFL QB, I'd think Gutierrez has a pretty fair shot at the 53 if he shows decently in trianing camp.

The Patriots always keep QB bodies in training camp to reduce the reps of Brady, so Gutierrez should have a good chance to show what he can do.

 

[patchick]

They kept Cassel and cut Davey simply because he was the better player. Davey had ram out of time and when Cassel came in during preseason he was more effective than Davey. They had Flutie as the vet so they could afford to keep the more talented player with more upside despite his youth and inexperience.

This is all true, yet it would have made sense to stash Cassel on the practice squad if they were confident they could keep him. Why? They had no intention of him seeing the field his rookie season, and a year on the PS gives the club the advantage of pushing free agency a year farther away.

Cassel's contract could have been another factor in the decision making process. Remember that the Pats took the unusual step of offering him a four-year contract with a decent bonus after rookie minicamp, the first sign that he was a keeper. By keeping him, they aren't even looking at an RFA situation next year. Maybe Gutierriez won't amount to much, maybe he won't make it through camp. But the contract he signs could be an early indication.

 

[Jimke]

If Gutierrez shows promise and is waived by the Pats, he will be

on the 53 man roster of another team. It is a foregone conclusion

that Tom Brady will still be the Pats' quarterback after 2008. This means

Matt Cassel will have to go elsewhere to get any playing time. It

would be nice to have his replacement on hand. If Guiterrez looks

good, keep him as our third quarterback and groom him to replace Cassel.

 

[patsgo]

I tend to go along with patchick's view. There is a fair amount of history of the Pats keeping a 'project' QB on the 53 roster. If they kept Davey, as obvious as it was that he couldn't ever be an NFL QB, I'd think Gutierrez has a pretty fair shot at the 53 if he shows decently in trianing camp.

The Patriots always keep QB bodies in training camp to reduce the reps of Brady, so Gutierrez should have a good chance to show what he can do.

hell be on the practice squad, hes no brady and belichick will take his chances, what has he dont to even earn mention of the 53?he didnt play at michigan, threw a lot of picks at idaho state, went undrafted, and just went thru rookie camp, practice squad will be a good place for him

 

[DaBruinz]

ok gutierrez might be a good 3rd QB for us and maybe in 2 or 3 yers be some other teams starter but he will never be a brady when brady is done playing he will be the best QB ever with 5 or 6 rings

Unless you can see the future, you don't know this. Anything can happen. I can rememb er people saying that Brady wasn't good enough to make the team, yet BB carried him as the 4th QB behind Michael Bishop.

 

[patsox23]

They carried four QBs that year because the team was so bad that they didn't have enough worthy players to fill up all 53 spots so he could afford to keep Brady on as the fourth QB. Had the team been decent, Brady would have probably been cut.

This is a bit slippery of you, a bit weasely. I agree that there were extra spots that year, and so it made keeping Brady easier to swallow. But the idea that the Patriots "didn't know what they had" only goes so far. They knew he was something special enough to warrant protecting a bit. The lack of talent on that roster just made it a more tolerable thing to do.

 

[mgteich]

We discuss these assumptions every year. Please produce a list of all rookies that we have put on our Pracice Squad that have been snapped up by other teams. This is a very, very short list.

Personally, I think very unlikely that any 5th round or later draft choice cut at the last minute would not pass waivers and put on our Practive Squad. I believe that PK Sam was the las time we had this discussion, although I'm believe Stevenson would get snapped up last year. The fact is that we stash future prospects on our Practice Squad every year, without losing them, expecially offensive linemen. We than bring them up and down to the roster as needed.

If Gutierrez shows promise and is waived by the Pats, he will be

on the 53 man roster of another team.

 

[patsox23]

If Gutierrez shows promise and is waived by the Pats, he will be

on the 53 man roster of another team. It is a foregone conclusion

that Tom Brady will still be the Pats' quarterback after 2008. This means

Matt Cassel will have to go elsewhere to get any playing time. It

would be nice to have his replacement on hand. If Guiterrez looks

good, keep him as our third quarterback and groom him to replace Cassel.

Couldn't agree more. This has timed out nicely for the Patriots F.O., and I hope Guttierez makes them look like geniuses of drafting, timing and roster management AGAIN.

 

[DaBruinz]

We discuss these assumptions every year. Please produce a list of all rookies that we have put on our Pracice Squad that have been snapped up by other teams. This is a very, very short list.

Personally, I think very unlikely that any 5th round or later draft choice cut at the last minute would not pass waivers and put on our Practive Squad. I believe that PK Sam was the las time we had this discussion, although I'm believe Stevenson would get snapped up last year. The fact is that we stash future prospects on our Practice Squad every year, without losing them, expecially offensive linemen. We than bring them up and down to the roster as needed.

MG -
I have to agree with Jimke here. Its highly unlikely that Guittierez gets cut and doesn't get picked up by someone else. Its different for QBs. Most teams don't even try to put their 3rd QB on the practice squad because of the potential of the guy not being there when needed.