Colts intercepted ball PSI readings

[Dougkdp]

Not sure if this has been brought up yet... Just noticed the readings of the intercepted ball that kicked off Deflate gate is well within the idea gas law, how ironic. Pg 74 (11.45, 11.35, 11.75). Now we know why the colts retracted the statement about the ball feeling soft, they realized its expected (this is of course using a different gauge)

Here's some food for thought; Shouldn't the investigation have obtained the colts and patriots gauge to verify how close the readings were to the pre-game readings of the colts/pats balls? I doubt the colts gauge and the refs both = 12.5/13. This would have helped prove/disprove the accuracy of the initial readings. I doubt they were all very close to 12.5/13. Anyone know if this was done?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Colts call league office
Colts intercept ball
Colts eqip guy tells Pagano
Pagano tells Grigson (did they text?) that is an NFL violation. Any investigation into that?
Grigson tells Kensil
Kensil teleports down to field along with 6 other brownshirts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation

In law enforcement, a sting operation is a deceptive operation designed to catch a person committing a crime. A typical sting will have a law-enforcement officer or cooperative member of the public play a role as criminal partner or potential victim and go along with a suspect's actions to gather evidence of the suspect's wrongdoing.

Sting operations are common in many countries including the United States,[1] but not allowed in other countries such as Sweden.[2]

No wonder why the NFL won't play in Sweden.

 

[BTTA]

Here's some food for thought; Shouldn't the investigation have obtained the colts and patriots gauge to verify how close the readings were to the pre-game readings of the colts/pats balls? I doubt the colts gauge and the refs both = 12.5/13. This would have helped prove/disprove the accuracy of the initial readings. I doubt they were all very close to 12.5/13. Anyone know if this was done?

No one in the League office had any motivation to do such a thing.

 

[patsfan13]

No one in the League office had any motivation to do such a thing.

You are being sarcastic right?

 

[upstater1]

Not sure if this has been brought up yet... Just noticed the readings of the intercepted ball that kicked off Deflate gate is well within the idea gas law, how ironic. Pg 74 (11.45, 11.35, 11.75). Now we know why the colts retracted the statement about the ball feeling soft, they realized its expected (this is of course using a different gauge)

Here's some food for thought; Shouldn't the investigation have obtained the colts and patriots gauge to verify how close the readings were to the pre-game readings of the colts/pats balls? I doubt the colts gauge and the refs both = 12.5/13. This would have helped prove/disprove the accuracy of the initial readings. I doubt they were all very close to 12.5/13. Anyone know if this was done?

AND another thing. The three different readings by ONE gauge shows the balls lose air when you test them.

 

[Biggs1221]

AND another thing. The three different readings by ONE gauge shows the balls lose air when you test them.

Or that the readings are imprecise. Which is why Walt Anderson cant be believed when he says that all of Indy's balls measure at 13.0 within .1 either way., and thats the number they were shooting for. Really? Indy was that precise in inflation and his readings were perfect every time? And doesnt that also mean that those balls would have to have been inflated / measured by Indy in the same exact atmospheric conditions under which it was measured by the ref? Otherwise, Indy may have filled them to 13.0, but Walt would have measured something slightly different.

It is also illogical to believe that the ball boy independently concluded that the Pats ball felt soft, when he was simply examining how it was prepared. We are dealing with a roughly 1.0 drop in PSI, according to the recorded readings referenced, most of which (if not all of it) can be explained by the drop in temp. So, this guy is so good that, assuming the ball was manually deflated by roughly .3 psi, he could a) feel that difference; and b) feel it was so out of whack that it raised a red flag.

But Well's credits that this is exactly how it went down.

 

[eom]

I don't think the intercepted ball was listed in the report ---- anybody remember what the leaked reading reportedly was?

2 lbs light, or something like that, I think?

 

[supafly]

I don't think the intercepted ball was listed in the report ---- anybody remember what the leaked reading reportedly was?

2 lbs light, or something like that, I think?

Yeah, I was just coming in to post the same thought about the intercepted ball. I'm not sure that it was included.

I believe you're right with the reported reduction in PSI to be somewhere in the -2 range.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Or that the readings are imprecise. Which is why Walt Anderson cant be believed when he says that all of Indy's balls measure at 13.0 within .1 either way., and thats the number they were shooting for. Really? Indy was that precise in inflation and his readings were perfect every time? And doesnt that also mean that those balls would have to have been inflated / measured by Indy in the same exact atmospheric conditions under which it was measured by the ref? Otherwise, Indy may have filled them to 13.0, but Walt would have measured something slightly different.

It is also illogical to believe that the ball boy independently concluded that the Pats ball felt soft, when he was simply examining how it was prepared. We are dealing with a roughly 1.0 drop in PSI, according to the recorded readings referenced, most of which (if not all of it) can be explained by the drop in temp. So, this guy is so good that, assuming the ball was manually deflated by roughly .3 psi, he could a) feel that difference; and b) feel it was so out of whack that it raised a red flag.

But Well's credits that this is exactly how it went down.

Maybe when Manning came out in support of Brady smarter heads in the nfl realized how stupid this was gonna look.

why would anyone believe a ref's memory ? they can't even get pi called correctly, nevermind the psi of 24 footballs.

 

[TouchDown Patriots]

Colts call league office
Colts intercept ball
Colts eqip guy tells Pagano
Pagano tells Grigson (did they text?) that is an NFL violation. Any investigation into that?
Grigson tells Kensil
Kensil teleports down to field along with 6 other brownshirts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation



No wonder why the NFL won't play in Sweden.

Transparency International commissioned Johann Graf Lambsdorff of the University of Passau to produce the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI).


The 5 top countries that were ranked as having the lowest perceived levels of corruption were:


1 Denmark 92
2 New Zealand 91
3 Finland 89
4 Sweden 87
5 Norway 86
Switzerland 86


The 3 top countries that were ranked as having the highest perceived levels of corruption were:


Zimbabwe 21 Teddy Deflator Piggy Wells
Myanmar 21 Kensil Jester Green Bean
Cambodia 21 Roger Butt Hurt Goofywell


That´s All Folks!

 

[BTTA]

You are being sarcastic right?

Not at all.

The OP is a question about a method improvement to the investigation that assumes the objective of the investigation was to determine what actually happened.

In contrast, and well articulated in dozens of posts in several threads on this forum, the objective of the investigation was to prove that Brady and the Pats did something wrong. This would remove any motivation from the League to direct the investigators to take such actions.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Brady will get 2 games. But, win his appeal. The Wells report unequivocally shows their gauges are off. You can't prove they were 12.5 to start. It's like the guy beating a DUI on a bad reading. The union will also say that we told Brady not to turn his phone over too. Perfectly, within his rights.

Talk show hosts around the country will love this. They can biatch about it all season.

 

[Dougkdp]

I don't think the intercepted ball was listed in the report ---- anybody remember what the leaked reading reportedly was?

Pg 74 lists the readings. Also mentions elsewhere in the report these were taken on the sidelines.

 

[eom]

Pg 74 lists the readings. Also mentions elsewhere in the report these were taken on the sidelines.

yeah, I understand that ---- I'm talking about the one ball that got intercepted , not the remaining 11

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

AND another thing. The three different readings by ONE gauge shows the balls lose air when you test them.

This was one experiment that was done in the Wells report.

If we believe them, they determined that, using the type of gauge Anderson used, and when done properly, each measurement caused a loss of about 0.01 psi. That is, 50 sticks = -0.5 psi.

Less than I would have thought. But... "when done properly" is an important caveat. We are talking about MULTIPLE people, not all of them refs. For instance, the Colts equipment guy illegally checked the pressure of the intercepted ball on the sidelines.

 

[Dougkdp]

yeah, I understand that ---- I'm talking about the one ball that got intercepted , not the remaining 11

If you read pg 74, you'll realize it's referencing the intercepted ball. This adds to the fact the colts gauge and refs are not in sync if your to believe the 11 readings with the refs gauge were all under the intercepted ball. Also notice the wide range of difference in readings, no way the colts balls were all 13 with the refs gauge.

 

[eom]

If you read pg 74, you'll realize it's referencing the intercepted ball. This adds to the fact the colts gauge and refs are not in sync if your to believe the 11 readings with the refs gauge were all under the intercepted ball. Also notice the wide range of difference in readings, no way the colts balls were all 13 with the refs gauge.

dude, I have no idea what you're talking about right now

ohhhh, nvm -- found it on pg 70

The pressure of the Patriots ball that had been intercepted by the Colts was separately tested three times and the measurements
—
11.45, 11.35 and 11.75 psi, respectively
—
were written on athletic tape that had been placed on the ball for identification. League
personnel retained possession of the intercepted ball and it was not reintroduced to the game
after halftime.

 

[upstater1]

This was one experiment that was done in the Wells report.

If we believe them, they determined that, using the type of gauge Anderson used, and when done properly, each measurement caused a loss of about 0.01 psi. That is, 50 sticks = -0.5 psi.

Less than I would have thought. But... "when done properly" is an important caveat. We are talking about MULTIPLE people, not all of them refs. For instance, the Colts equipment guy illegally checked the pressure of the intercepted ball on the sidelines.

So then what could possibly account for the wide variance on the Colts ball?

 

[RobertWeathers]

dude, I have no idea what you're talking about right now

ohhhh, nvm -- found it on pg 70

The pressure of the Patriots ball that had been intercepted by the Colts was separately tested three times and the measurements
—
11.45, 11.35 and 11.75 psi, respectively
—
were written on athletic tape that had been placed on the ball for identification. League
personnel retained possession of the intercepted ball and it was not reintroduced to the game
after halftime.

Which is evidentiary that this was in fact a sting operation and why the Wells Report is a biased -bordering on slanderous attempt to destroy Brady's reputation as a stand-up human being without giving him, or his employer the opportunity to defend themselves.

 

[eom]

So then what could possibly account for the wide variance on the Colts ball?

well, I would really have to assume some combo of user error coupled with the limitations of the tools --- they aren't using electron microscopes on this thing.
I've never used one of these gauges, but they don't sound like they're accurate to a tenth of a pound