PATRIOTS NEWS The Published Wells Report.

[RobertWeathers]

The problem is that TB probably knew it was a witch hunt from the beginning and knew it was lose lose for him. I'm sure Wells' initial request was something like "we want you to tell us about your illegal activities." TB knew that this investigation was not about finding the truth. I wouldn't have cooperated either.

The NFLPA advised TB12 not to cooperate.

 

[BradyManny]

Schefter:

“I think it did surprise me,” said Schefter. “It’s not like you don’t know that it’s coming and you felt like something was going to be there, perhaps in the the end. The amazing part to me is you speak to so many people close to Tom Brady, to the Patriots and you’re convinced there’s absolutely nothing wrong. Then you speak to people in the league office and you read [the Wells Report] and it’s tough to mesh the two together, like they are — it’s even now hard to process the whole thing. We don’t know, we don’t know that Tom did anything wrong, but it doesn’t look good. You read the report, it’s not a good look. But, it’s a lawyer you can make anything work. It’s tough to say, ‘Yeah, this unequivocally happened.'”

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...t-some-sort-of-suspension-a-short-suspension/

Says short suspension for Brady. I think his comments are reasonable. He obviously has someone inside the Patriots conveying the overwhelming feeling that Brady is innocent. So either Brady is lying to everybody or this report is tremendously biased. Patriots should've had their own report done in the meanwhile to make it clear.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Florio was surprisingly defensive of Brady this morning on NFL radio (Sirius). Basically said that while he believes that Brady had knowledge about the balls and what was going on with them, the Wells report doesn't have any conclusive evidence whatsoever and nothing to substantiate a punishment for him. I'd be inclined to agree but this is Roger Goodell we're talking about here so a suspension is probably imminent.

Now that I've had some time to read as much as I can tolerate and gather my own thoughts, that my take too. So what if Brady knew? If balls were at 16psi and he wanted them at ~12.5 and that was a standing order, what is the issue? Was he aware, sure. Did he do anything wrong? No.

He isn't Col. Jessup for chrissakes.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Schefter:



http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...t-some-sort-of-suspension-a-short-suspension/

Says short suspension for Brady. I think his comments are reasonable. He obviously has someone inside the Patriots conveying the overwhelming feeling that Brady is innocent. So either Brady is lying to everybody or this report is tremendously biased. Patriots should've had their own report done in the meanwhile to make it clear.

Biased as biased can be.

 

[nowayback]

In my case, it's evidence that Brady came down hard on Jastremski after the Jets game and so, yeah, McNally was pissed...and goofing around.

As far as I know there is no text from Brady to Jast. So Jast is just saying to mac that he communicated with Brady means nothing to me. And I don't think it holds much water. Of course everything that may harm the Pats is believable and all pro Pats info should be taken with a grain of salt, [/QUOTE]

 

[IllegalContact]

In my case, it's evidence that Brady came down hard on Jastremski after the Jets game and so, yeah, McNally was pissed...and goofing around.

Again, neither I nor Deus are claiming that this is "evidence" of wrongdoing. Deus is calling everything introduced "evidence."

It's a semantic confusion on this board, nothing more, and nothing to get excited about.

not excited.......I'm just taking things at par

how do you conclude that McNally was 'goofing around'? his text indicate a clear intent to mess with Brady

 

[festy1986]

The problem I have is this quote

"
On one of the two gauges used to test the footballs, THREE of the four Colts balls tested were UNDER the limit of 12.5 PSI."


Not because it's gone unnoticed but because apparently Mr wells can conclude that the colts didn't do it on purpose but the patriots did.

Did he go through the colts ball boys phone for proof or did he just assume.

F this

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Now that I've had some time to read as much as I can tolerate and gather my own thoughts, that my take too. So what if Brady knew? If balls were at 16psi and he wanted them at ~12.5 and that was a standing order, what is the issue? Was he aware, sure. Did he do anything wrong? No.

He isn't Col. Jessup for chrissakes.

the problem i have is that if these dumb refs were over-inlating the balls to 16 PSI, Brady needs to tell someone in the front office to contact the league to make sure it doesn't happen again. why rely on some idiot like mcnally?

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

The text messages are evidence. McNally going to the bathroom is evidence.

That "evidence" is not proof of guilt; it is relevant information used in forming an opinion.

For me , it may be evidence that the process of measurement and preparation of balls sucks. But it is not evidence related to the case . They have any message exchanged between Brady and McNally ?

So I guess you're right... formed my opinion they have nothing linking the case to Brady, and all this was caused by inexperience and neglects the league and their employees ( the referees )

 

[50-yard-line]

not excited.......I'm just taking things at par

how do you conclude that McNally was 'goofing around'? his text indicate a clear intent to mess with Brady

Goofing around, meaning blowing off steam in a goofy way. There's no way he's actually going to "mess with Brady" - he'd get fired in a heartbeat and become a pariah in New England.

It was a typical working-class remark against the demigod, so to speak (and I'm not saying that as a pejorative to either).

People LOVE attacking (or vowing to bring down a peg) others they see on a high horse.

 

[sb1]

From what I'm reading it sounds like any suspension for Brady will not be for the deflating issue but for "not cooperating" with Wells.

 

[50-yard-line]

As far as I know there is no text from Brady to Jast. So Jast is just saying to mac that he communicated with Brady means nothing to me. And I don't think it holds much water. Of course everything that may harm the Pats is believable and all pro Pats info should be taken with a grain of salt,

[/QUOTE]

Seems clear that somehow Brady was pissed about overinflated balls after that game, and that got communicated to Jastremski - Jastremski says "Ugh, Tom was right."

 

[PatsSox363804]

The problem I have is this quote

"
On one of the two gauges used to test the footballs, THREE of the four Colts balls tested were UNDER the limit of 12.5 PSI."


Not because it's gone unnoticed but because apparently Mr wells can conclude that the colts didn't do it on purpose but the patriots did.

Did he go through the colts ball boys phone for proof or did he just assume.

F this

There are 3 things with regards to the overall measurement which should get that "evidence" thrown out.

1) We have NO IDEA what the starting points were pre-game. They are going by the refs memory

2) They only measured 4 of the Colts balls which likely skews the average compared the the Patriots (good or bad, we don't know, but still it makes a flawed comparison)

3) Assuming the Colts balls were measured after the Patriots, the pressure had longer to normalize.

and in spite of all of that 8 of 11 balls when measured by one of the gauges were still within the acceptable range laid out by their assumed numbers in an experiment conducted by a company that went to court defending tobacco companies claiming they had "proof" that smoking doesnt cause cancer.

 

[BradyManny]

Biased as biased can be.

I agree. Unfortunately, the Patriots have not handled this situation very well (outside Bill) and aren't in a great position to fight this thing because of it.

Brady could've gotten ahead of this thing and mentioned the Jets game, the refs overinflating their balls in October, and his attempts to make sure they were on the low end of the spec, but to spec. He did mention the latter point, but I'm not sure why he didn't just put it all in the table back in January. Stupid NFLPA telling him to keep his mouth shut probably did him way more harm than good.

 

[IllegalContact]

Goofing around, meaning blowing off steam in a goofy way. There's no way he's actually going to "mess with Brady" - he'd get fired in a heartbeat and become a pariah in New England.

It was a typical working-class remark against the demigod, so to speak (and I'm not saying that as a pejorative to either).

People LOVE attacking (or vowing to bring down a peg) others they see on a high horse.

what did you base this on?

you do realize that repeated statement construct motive, don't you?

I could just as easily see a guy like this learning to hate his boss when his boss is Brady....osunds like typical vendetta to me

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

From what I'm reading it sounds like any suspension for Brady will not be for the deflating issue but for "not cooperating" with Wells.

Wells if you want to see Giselles pictures buy a magazine..

 

[glm]

And you'd be wrong of course. Look, it's really childish to run around pointing fingers. It's Goodell, it's Wells, it's NY jealousy. Bull S___.

So instead of using facts you just say "pointing fingers" is "really childish." No, being naive is childish.

The NFL headquarters is located in New York. Fact.
The NFL headquarters is manned by citizens of New York. Fact.
Citizens of New York are usually either Jets or Giants fans. Fact.
The main NFL employee's names you constantly hear associated with this investigation (Goodell, Kensil, Wells) are all from New York. Fact.
Two of those names (Goodell and Kensil) used to work for the Jets. Fact.
The Jets biggest rivals are the Patriots. Fact.
The Patriots have been embarrassing the Jets for the past 15 years. Fact.

All of that taken into consideration and your conclusion is that it's all a coincidence? Please spare me the ignorance.

 

[crafty213]

What bothers me is the lack of fire from Brady on this. Makes me more suspicious than the actual report. Maybe he will come out firing today but he sure does not act like someone that did not do anything wrong and is being destroyed in the media by this league sanctioned report.

 

[luuked]

Integrity of the game.

That went out of the window the moment it was unveiled that refs retutn balls at arbitrary PSI far beyond the allowed range.

 

[RobertWeathers]

the problem i have is that if these dumb refs were over-inlating the balls to 16 PSI, Brady needs to tell someone in the front office to contact the league to make sure it doesn't happen again. why rely on some idiot like mcnally?

Well, that's where maybe Tommy made an error. He should have *****ed to the league that the zebras were mucking with the balls too much. With that said, the NFL passed a rule allowing QB a little latitude in preparing gameday footballs so maybe he didn't see the need to escalate the issue? Who knows.