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Ya not sure i agree here with this article: Brady's G.O.A.T. Legacy On the Line

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What is funny is that if A Samuel catches that interception, or Harrison rips the ball out, Brady gets cemented as the GOAT. Because they do not make those plays, he is not. Belicheck is such a good coach, that despite having a historically bad defense from 2011-2013, they make it to a superbowl and 2 AFC championship games mainly because of Brady.

Brady's legacy is forever cemented, and he can do nothing to make it worse. If he wins 1 more, he will be a top 2 quarterback of all time, and if he wins 5, he will be the GOAT.

I have this romantic notion that he does a John Elway and wins 2 super bowls at the end of his career (I am allowed to dream, aren't I?).
 
Good god. Ridiculous...

He has 3 SB. 2 MVPs. 5 Conf Championships. 8 AFCCG, 12 division titles. 16-0 season, 1st ballot HoF. #1 on QB winning % w/over 200 starts.

Forget the stats b/c that is not what TB is about.

Morons like this chowdahead need to take a step back and understand what greatness really is.
 
The argument Ross is making is would the greatest QB ever lose multiple playoff games to a less-than-elite QB like Flacco? The same could be said of Eli Manning and the titles lost.

Ross stated he believes Brady is the best. He is asking a question with regard to his argument that Brady is the best ever. I agree it is a team sport in the end, and trying to compare QB battles in years the teams were not on equal footing is a difficult comparison to make.

Montana made it to the playoff 11 of 14 seasons. He couldn't seal the deal in 7 of those playoff runs. He was 1 and done in 4 of those (twice as many as Brady). He was throwing to the greatest receiver in history for 6 years. Montana, for all the talk of perfect Super Bowl records, has twice as many one and dones and appeared in fewer playoff games, in essentially the same 13 year period Brady has had. Montana is not perfect at all. He just chunked it earlier in the playoffs or flat-out didn't make the playoffs. If he is the greatest ever, how is that explained?
 
Why do they even need to hire people for these stupid articles anyway? I'm sure an article just like this one could be computer-generated instead.
 
Brady has to win for that legacy because nobody cares about the second greatest of all time. There will be Montana and then there will be Brady, Manning, Marino and all the others.
 
For Tom Brady, every playoff game has G.O.A.T. implications.
 
Brady is already in everybody's discussion for GOAT at the QB position along with Montana and Unitas. Would a fourth ring "put him over the top?" Maybe. Maybe not. That's a question that will be discussed for a long, long time. His legacy as one of the greatest ever is already established. Every playoff game in which he appears is just another chance for him to embellish or limit that legacy.

For me, the bottom line is that those who tie his legacy to "one more ring" are guys like Dilfer and Warner who know that they will never, ever, never, ever, ever be in that discussion.

50 years from now, when most of us are following the NFL from Eternity, people will still be talking about Tom Brady and Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas. Trent Dilfer and Kurt Warner? They will be dusty footnotes to that discussion in tiny print...and, most importantly...they know it.
 
Nobody cares about your silly article. Quarterbacks don't play each other. It's a team game etc. etc.
 
I think the 4th ring is what will really seal the deal for him. We have IMHO the best D since the SB years. You look at what TB did with crappy D's both in 07 and 11 by taking us to the SB and you really see how good he is. Even though I believe the O is to blame for both those SB losses I place the blame squarely on the OC's head especially 07.
 
PP2 said:
Any one of those losses can't really be attributed directly to him. If tomorrow, we lose because he turned in a terrible performance or showed his age, then that's a legitimate argument. But if we lose because of a critical fumble, or ST breakdown, then you can't really hold it against him.

All that being said, he definitely has at least one more season. The OL should be a hell of a lot more consistent next season (with one or two more quality additions). I'm still amazed we got to 12-4 with all that shuffling.
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2012 title game, brady was pretty bad in the 2nd half.
 
moejr said:
I think the 4th ring is what will really seal the deal for him. We have IMHO the best D since the SB years. You look at what TB did with crappy D's both in 07 and 11 by taking us to the SB and you really see how good he is. Even though I believe the O is to blame for both those SB losses I place the blame squarely on the OC's head especially 07.
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07 defense wasn't crappy. harrison, samuel, bruschi, seymour, warren, wilfork, vrabel, adalius ( )
 
How badly is Montana's claim to GOATness impaired by any problems he had with Phil Simms or Jeff Hosteteler?

That said, I'd like to see some late-career post-season excellence from Brady before I stick my neck out in any Brady vs. Montana GOAT discussions.
 
Gronkowski123 said:
07 defense wasn't crappy. harrison, samuel, bruschi, seymour, warren, wilfork, vrabel, adalius ( )
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It was one of the oldest defenses in NFL history, but it certainly wasn't a crappy defense. [It of course helped that the Pats were often so far ahead that teams were forced to become one-dimensional, which was part of the reason why the 2013 Donkeys may have set a record for most points scored, but came nowhere near the 2007 Patriots' record for largest differential (+207 vs. +315).
 
Aaron Rodgers is probably the best quarterback of all time. Insanely accurate and with velocity to all parts of the field, accurate on the run, can run for first downs. Sick stats, 4/1 TD to INT ratio. SB champ, has won 7/10 of his games, all without any running game for most of it, and not the best defenses. Brady and Montana are a pick em after Rodgers. Manning, Marino, and Elway are the next tier. One man's opinion and I didn't see anyone before the 80s. I place less emphasis on Super Bowls. It doesn't really impact Brady's greatness that Welkah dropped the ball and we lost the super bowl, nor would it have impacted it if he had caught the ball and we won. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco can't sniff Peyton or Marino though they have been better in the playoffs. More important that the team is always in contention in a championship, no matter what personnel surrounds the qb. All of these guys are great by that standard.
 
letekro said:
Aaron Rodgers is probably the best quarterback of all time. Insanely accurate and with velocity to all parts of the field, accurate on the run, can run for first downs. Sick stats, 4/1 TD to INT ratio. SB champ, has won 7/10 of his games, all without any running game for most of it, and not the best defenses. Brady and Montana are a pick em after Rodgers. Manning, Marino, and Elway are the next tier. One man's opinion and I didn't see anyone before the 80s. I place less emphasis on Super Bowls. It doesn't really impact Brady's greatness that Welkah dropped the ball and we lost the super bowl, nor would it have impacted it if he had caught the ball and we won. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco can't sniff Peyton or Marino though they have been better in the playoffs. More important that the team is always in contention in a championship, no matter what personnel surrounds the qb. All of these guys are great by that standard.
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So you mean you think Rodgers is the most talented quarterback of all time, because he isn't the greatest. That claim involves quite a mountain climb, and if you can't make it, you don't get it.
 
Gronkowski123 said:
2012 title game, brady was pretty bad in the 2nd half.
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Conversely, I could argue that the absence of Gronk was a big factor. Brady had only 1 TE, and 2 WR's. The rest were a steep dropoff (e.g., Branch being a shadow of himself).

Also I could point to the Ridley fumble in the 4th quarter as being a very decisive factor. If he doesn't fumble, we are potentially down just 20-21, with almost one entire quarter left, instead of 28-13.

That fumble gave Balt the only short field they had all game long, and they capitalized on it.

It's noteworthy that Brady's 2 INT's came after this, so you could argue that at this point, the offense was really forcing it, as they were playing from behind.
 
robertweathers said:
Pretty accurate assessment.

'09- No WW was a death blow
'10- Meh. They should have beaten the NYJ. Brady was a little too squeamish in the pocket.
'11- Complete pass. WW drop. Gronk hobbled. D couldn't get off the field
'12- WW drop. Talib hurt. Gronk out.
'13- Team was decimated. No Gronk.

May seem like excuses but I'd like to see SF win in 1988 w/o Rice.

Football is a team game. QB's need help. D, receivers and running game....
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Pats lose because either WW isnt there or because he is there to drop it.

Maybe BB did this analysis and thought "boy, we should not let every season hang on to whether good Welker shows up or not."
 
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Pats lose because either WW isnt there or because he is there to drop it.

Maybe BB did this analysis and thought "boy, we should not let every season hang on to whether good Welker shows up or not."
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....and WW sat the 1st qtr of the '10 game vs the Jets. So yea...with WW they lose and w/o Gronk.

No WW and w/ Gronk= Lombardi #4
 
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