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Rob Ninkovich, as usual. Ergo, the new jersey on the left.

It's funny that you bring him up, patchick. My wife was just mentioning that "Ninkovich is either feast or famine," which I really didn't agree with--at all. In her defense, she doesn't follow our team as closely as she does her own and wasn't giving Ninkovich the respect that he deserves from being a versatile player who can wear many hats.

When the announcer brought up the fact that no one in the NFL has more fumble recoveries in the past 3 years, I just kind of sheepishly grinned.
 
It's funny that you bring him up, patchick. My wife was just mentioning that "Ninkovich is either feast or famine," which I really didn't agree with--at all. In her defense, she doesn't follow our team as closely as she does her own and wasn't giving Ninkovich the respect that he deserves from being a versatile player who can wear many hats.

When the announcer brought up the fact that no one in the NFL has more fumble recoveries in the past 3 years, I just kind of sheepishly grinned.
I'm surprised to hear that Mrs. Supafly has that perception of Ninkovich. He is overall consistent, although I can understand her view on some level because he had shown up with some big primetime performance over the years so for a casual follower it could look that way.
 
No one is talking about...

Rob Ninkovich, as usual. Ergo, the new jersey on the left.

People are definitely talking about Ninkovich... his pick is usually the first thing the TV guys go to.

That guy is such a football player. At some point, I definitely want him to catch a TD pass.
 
I'm surprised to hear that Mrs. Supafly has that perception of Ninkovich. He is overall consistent, although I can understand her view on some level because he had shown up with some big primetime performance over the years so for a casual follower it could look that way.

Yep, I think you hit it on the head, B6.

It's the popular misconception that casual/average watching NFL fans probably take away from #50.

The thing that impresses me the most about Ninkovich is his work ethic and passion. When asked about filling the void from Mayo he stated that "he's going to step up and make more big plays."
 
People should have been talking about Ninko three years ago.
Almost every single time we have a big game, the announcers call his name like 3 or 4 times on major moments.
 
Ah yes... now I remember Ninkovich. He's the guy that Bill Belichick said has a knack for having his hands on his balls or something like that, right?
 
People should have been talking about Ninko three years ago.

It's funny, I was just looking at some of the old threads from 2012 where a few posters were suggesting that Ninkovich was on the same productivity track as Vrabel, while others dismissed him as "a JAG" or "mediocre." A typical exchange from the time:

I just don't get what Rob Ninkovich has to do to be raised above the "mediocre" level in fans' eyes...
He could get to the point where he's better than mediocre.

Somehow, Vrabel has been elevated to a pass-rushing demon in the collective PatsFan memory. In fact, he had only one season with major sack numbers: 2007, when the Pats' offense forced most opponents to pass excessively. His greatest value was in his completeness, versatility and intelligence on the field. Personally I don't care much whether Ninkovich=Vrabel, I just like to see Nink's own reliability and versatility appreciated. But for anyone who's curious about numbers:

Vrabel with Patriots: .44 sacks per start, .22 forced turnovers per start

Ninkovich with Patriots: .56 sacks per start, .19 forced turnovers per start
 
It's funny, I was just looking at some of the old threads from 2012 where a few posters were suggesting that Ninkovich was on the same productivity track as Vrabel, while others dismissed him as "a JAG" or "mediocre." A typical exchange from the time:



Somehow, Vrabel has been elevated to a pass-rushing demon in the collective PatsFan memory. In fact, he had only one season with major sack numbers: 2007, when the Pats' offense forced most opponents to pass excessively. His greatest value was in his completeness, versatility and intelligence on the field. Personally I don't care much whether Ninkovich=Vrabel, I just like to see Nink's own reliability and versatility appreciated. But for anyone who's curious about numbers:

Vrabel with Patriots: .44 sacks per start, .22 forced turnovers per start

Ninkovich with Patriots: .56 sacks per start, .19 forced turnovers per start
I call Ninkovich Ninkovrabel mainly because he's the Patriots' Swiss Army knife player. Ninkovich is a jack of all trades much like Vrabel. Both are very, very good players.
 
It's funny, I was just looking at some of the old threads from 2012 where a few posters were suggesting that Ninkovich was on the same productivity track as Vrabel, while others dismissed him as "a JAG" or "mediocre." A typical exchange from the time:



Somehow, Vrabel has been elevated to a pass-rushing demon in the collective PatsFan memory. In fact, he had only one season with major sack numbers: 2007, when the Pats' offense forced most opponents to pass excessively. His greatest value was in his completeness, versatility and intelligence on the field. Personally I don't care much whether Ninkovich=Vrabel, I just like to see Nink's own reliability and versatility appreciated. But for anyone who's curious about numbers:

Vrabel with Patriots: .44 sacks per start, .22 forced turnovers per start

Ninkovich with Patriots: .56 sacks per start, .19 forced turnovers per start

Ninkovich has improved. I don't see why there's an issue here. 2012 and 2013 are his career best years in terms of sacks, just to point to a stat we can look at, and both came after the quoted dialogue.
 
Yes, Revis, along with Brady and Gronkowski, was the difference on Sunday. Browner played well, but Revis flat out dominated again.

People talk about game plans. I laughed during the offseason about the "blueprint" for beating the Broncos, just like I laugh every offseason about the "blueprint" for beating the Patriots. You need a darn good defense with a spectacular free safety and solid #1 corner at a minimum to stop these high-octane offenses. What was nice to see in this game was that you don't necessarily need a menacing pass rush to stop someone like Manning. It certainly helps a lot, but what you really need are professional football players who can stop the opposing team's professional football players. Heck, we saw what happened in last year's AFCCG when Talib went down and the ingenious gameplan morphed from a chess game to a checkers game.
 
Yes, Revis, along with Brady and Gronkowski, was the difference on Sunday. Browner played well, but Revis flat out dominated again.

People talk about game plans. I laughed during the offseason about the "blueprint" for beating the Broncos, just like I laugh every offseason about the "blueprint" for beating the Patriots. You need a darn good defense with a spectacular free safety and solid #1 corner at a minimum to stop these high-octane offenses. What was nice to see in this game was that you don't necessarily need a menacing pass rush to stop someone like Manning. It certainly helps a lot, but what you really need are professional football players who can stop the opposing team's professional football players. Heck, we saw what happened in last year's AFCCG when Talib went down and the ingenious gameplan morphed from a chess game to a checkers game.
The thing about Revis and Browner is if one goes down, the Patriots still have the ability to play the other as their legitimate #1 CB. Last season, when Talib went down, the Patriots were screwed. The acquisition of Revis was massive because of the Browner acquisition. One would have been great, both is exceptional.

Right now, the Patriots are playing Revis and Browner as their clear 1 & 2. That relegates Dennard, Arrington, Ryan, Butler and co. to their more appropriate positions in Nickel, Dime and Quarters packages etc.

One of the things I would like to raise is the communication between McCourty and Revis. I saw it many times against the Broncos but their ability to pass off players to each other whilst picking up someone else is becoming something else. I know some factions of Patsfans are still on the Dez Bryant > Devin McCourty train but I am not. McCourty's range is unreal. I'll wager he's one of the cogs that makes that Secondary work and he's a damn fine player. Watching how deep McCourty was playing to take away the deep ball was a masterstroke. It forced Manning (who made some unreal throws) to be perfect.
 
I have no idea what happened with Revis on that early Broncos drive. But regardless, he was literally non-existent for the rest of the game (obviously in a GOOD way). I literally don't remember seeing him or hearing him mentioned whatsoever from that point onward. Which is exactly what you want for a shutdown CB.
 
Yep, I think you hit it on the head, B6.

It's the popular misconception that casual/average watching NFL fans probably take away from #50.

The thing that impresses me the most about Ninkovich is his work ethic and passion. When asked about filling the void from Mayo he stated that "he's going to step up and make more big plays."
I agree 100% I'm a big Ninkovich fan. I love seeing a player like him, Edelman, even Wendell to a lesser degree make themselves into a good pro through hard work and dedication.

Off topic, what are they putting in the cheesesteaks down in PA these days? Roethlisberger and Brown are on another galaxy the last few games.
 
3. Brandon Browner's first penalty on 3rd down. He played the ball nicely and swatted it away in the end zone. I thought it was a very ticky tacky penalty. Should've made it 4th down and the Broncos would've kicked a FG. Instead the Broncos got a first down and then Hillman scored on the next play. It led to the Broncos first TD and they went up 7-3 at that point.

That call on Browner was bad. They seemed to throw the flag because Browner had his other hand by Thomas' waist.... but it didn't seem to hinder Thomas in the SLIGHTEST bit.
 
Off topic, what are they putting in the cheesesteaks down in PA these days? Roethlisberger and Brown are on another galaxy the last few games.

Yeah, much to my dismay of not plugging WR Martavius Bryant into my starting fantasy lineup. He's got 5 touchdowns in his first three games, and looks to be quite a nice rookie prospect for them moving forward.

This is exactly why I always say that any one of the 3 teams (PIT, CIN, BAL) can realistically win the AFC North. Should CLE upset CIN this Thursday, they'll actually be in the mix as well--and in first place too.
 
That call on Browner was bad. They seemed to throw the flag because Browner had his other hand by Thomas' waist.... but it didn't seem to hinder Thomas in the SLIGHTEST bit.

I'm no rules expert, but is it still legal to have your hand on someone's back as long as you don't turn them around or impede their progress?

That's pretty much what it looked like to me on that play, and why I think most feel that it was a poor call.
 
I'm no rules expert, but is it still legal to have your hand on someone's back as long as you don't turn them around or impede their progress?

That's pretty much what it looked like to me on that play, and why I think most feel that it was a poor call.
Yikes! NFL rules. Could be mistaken for a tax code.

The second "d" supports your understanding.

Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.

(b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(c) Grabbing a receiver’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.

(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.

(e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball.

(f) Hooking a receiver in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the receiver’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving.

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

(d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.

Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.

(b) Inadvertent touching of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players.

Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

Note 2: Defensive players have as much right to the path of the ball as eligible offensive players.

Note 3: Pass interference for both teams ends when the pass is touched.

Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.

Note 5: Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage, or an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a 5-yard penalty and automatic first down from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.
 
I'm no rules expert, but is it still legal to have your hand on someone's back as long as you don't turn them around or impede their progress?

That's pretty much what it looked like to me on that play, and why I think most feel that it was a poor call.

He didn't push, hold him, or turn him and he played the ball. So basically he got flagged for playing defense. If that was some mid-tier QB and no name WR that call doesn't get made.
 
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