Devin McCourty contract talks in progress

[glm]

Earl Thomas is elite. 3x Pro Bowl, 3x All pro - all in 3 straight seasons.

Dmac - 1 pro bowl (2010). 2x all pro (2010, 2013). Went 3 seasons before obtaining his next all pro status. That **** ain't elite.

He will get paid, but unless the redskins, raiders, or browns sign him, he ain't getting out of the 7 mill range. Btw, what does Ed Reed have to do with anything? Look at his accolades, his skill set and how much he could impact a game. He was ELITE and a HOF player. Dmac couldn't hold that guys f'n jockstrap yet you think he is elite.

The 2x all pro isn't elite? lol you're dumb

Edit: Trying to compare him too a prime Ed Reed is also dumb smh

 

[glm]

I don't understand? Weird because I just asked two people with Masters degrees in business who spent 30+ years in banking, and referred to a macroeconomics textbook and both back up my claims. I could also ask my professor who has an MBA if you like?

Oh my god this is gold

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I don't understand? Weird because I just asked two people with Masters degrees in business who spent 30+ years in banking, and referred to a macroeconomics textbook and both back up my claims. I could also ask my professor who has an MBA if you like?

 

[Bruins29]

This is sheer comedy.

 

[pencilneckgeek]

Is it wrong that I'm so amused that Deus Irae is coming across as the voice of reason in this thread? Must be his pretty face.

We know what you think about McCourty. You think he has to show up in specific columns of the stat sheet, in specific games, with those plays coming at specific times to be considered a top player at his position. This idea of ranking players based on "game-altering plays" in "big games" makes no sense unless you're trying to create an ESPN Top 10 play list for the postseason. When you're basing your opinion of a player on whether any one of his snaps qualifies as a game-altering play in a big game as opposed to looking as his body of work consisting of thousands of snaps, then your system is broken.

What makes it particularly nonsensical is that when McCourty is doing his job the best, he has no chance to make a big play, because the ball is thrown elsewhere. I am actually ok with the notion that much of the greatness of a QB can be based on his ability to make a big play under pressure (physical or situational) when it counts, and I am OK with the notion that the greatness of a TEAM is based on their ability to make big plays when it counts. By extension, I guess I'm also OK with the notion that the greatness of some WR or S can in part be measured by their ability to make a play on the ball when it's in the air in their vicinity, but if the ball is not up-for-grabs, you simply have to base your assessment on something else. To look to INTs as a sign of greatness is absurd. To see Ed Reed's ridiculous aptitude at goading QBs into throwing a ball to a location to which he can get and intercept the ball as a sign of greatness is seeing the obvious. To me, he is the best FS ever, and comparing anyone to him and finding them lacking is therefore meaningless.

Every time Harrison is asked about Safety for the Patriots he has always said they need to get a hard hitting Strong Safety.

Of course, in this day and age of yellow-festooned defensive backfields, a hard-hitting safety can be a bit of a liability. Harrison, Ronnie Lott, et al. would have to recalibrate their entire approach if they played today.

Best play ever.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I fail to see where anyone thinks he is a top ten safety! I would let him test the FA waters, and then maybe match if he gets an average offer. He just isn't that good! Certainly nothing close to being worth 5+ million a year!

32 teams would absolutely love to sign McCourty for well over 5 million per year.

 

[supafly]

Maybe it's the way I value players, unless you have Earl or Byrd I wouldn't pay any FS over 8M. I'm saying if it's over 7M, BB will have a difficult decision as we're close to the cap.

I think the market for safeties has increased pretty dramatically lately, as it was just recently around 6m per year or so on the franchise tag. This year it was above 8m, and next year it will be above 9m. A deal that would put him in the 8m dollar range for the next 4 years or so would be great in my opinion.

I disagree that "we're as close to the cap" as you're insinuating, as they currently have about 7m dollars just this year without taking into account any expected increase for the 2015 season. When all is said and done, they'll also have the usual options to free up more money just like any other year.

 

[SalemPats]

I think the market for safeties has increased pretty dramatically lately, as it was just recently around 6m per year or so on the franchise tag. This year it was above 8m, and next year it will be above 9m. A deal that would put him in the 8m dollar range for the next 4 years or so would be great in my opinion.

I disagree that "we're as close to the cap" as you're insinuating, as they currently have about 7m dollars just this year without taking into account any expected increase for the 2015 season. When all is said and done, they'll also have the usual options to free up more money just like any other year.

Guys like Troy, Ed Reed, Rodney re-defined the position as the NFL went to a passing league. It gave them an opportunity to showcase their greatness. Right now I view two guys who are superstars in that spot.

I think Devin is an excellent player, but he's not at that level. Lets not forget BB let Asante, Milloy, Merriweather go because he didn't want to overpay for a good, but not great player. I personally think 8M for a tier II FS is too much, i'm hoping we get him for less.

 

[Bruins29]

tier II FS

Just because you keep repeating it, dosent make it true.

 

[JMC00]

So when the Pats offer McCourty a below market deal and somone like the Cowboys or Redskins pay him $8m+ per and the Pats have terrible Safety play in 2015 and beyond I don't want to hear about the Safety play from the people that didn't want them to pay McCourty market price.

 

[SalemPats]

I think it's more like do we have a cheaper replacement through draft or the roster that can take his spot, if he demands more than we want to pay

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Cheaper body, yes. Replacement, NFW.

 

[PATS68]

For those of you who forgot what an outstanding safety really looks like

Watch from 1:48 on its called making plays when it counts and not against the phins who suck! McCourty couldn't make any of those plays and to win the SB you need players to make those types of plays. Ravens safety play two years ago was outstanding in the playoffs and the so wasn't the Seahawks. McCourty wouldn't even have been a starter on either of those teams, but some would argue he now needs to be paid like he should.

It is simple to me why does McCourty play 20+ yards off the ball? Same issue when he was a corner once he gets his head turned he is lost. He has to play that far off the ball to keep his head looking in one direction which shows limitation.

 

[Kontradiction]

So when the Pats offer McCourty a below market deal and somone like the Cowboys or Redskins pay him $8m+ per and the Pats have terrible Safety played in 2015 and beyond I don't want to hear about the Safety play from the people that didn't want them to pay McCourty market price.

It's like people forget about the dumpster fire this team was rolling out back there in 2011 and the beginning of 2012.

 

[Bruins29]

Watch from 1:48 on its called making plays when it counts and not against the phins who suck!

Do you have anything helpful to add to this thread or are you just going to keep living in the past? What does any of that have to do with DMC and what he is worth is todays market?

Do you actually watch football?

 

[Bruins29]

It's like people forget about the dumpster fire this team was rolling out back there in 2011 and the beginning of 2012.

But But But DMC Dosent make big plays, he is not a prime Ed Reed, Rodney Harrison says he is no good.

blah blah blah blah blah

 

[Bruins29]

Watch from 1:48 on its called making plays when it counts and not against the phins who suck!

Also, I guess only big plays against "good teams" count now?

That Mike Wallace, what a bum.

 

[Kontradiction]

Watch from 1:48 on its called making plays when it counts and not against the phins who suck!

Okay, I'll take a crack at that...

1. Steve McNair INT: Good coverage and an overthrow.

2. Peyton Manning INT #1: Terrible throw by Manning into good zone coverage. Bad decision that was forced by pressure up front in a game where Manning was already choking.

3. Marvin Harrison fumble: Very nice position on the hit.

4. Peyton Manning INT #2: Another terrible throw and decision by Manning into double coverage.

5. Ben Roethlisberger INT: Rookie QB locked in on his first option and a very bad decision to throw the ball there.

6. Donovan McNabb INT #1: Terrible decision. The ball is thrown into tight double coverage.

7. Donovan McNabb INT #2: Good decision by McNabb, but the throw was too high, causing the ball to fall into Rodney's arms as he was sitting back in what looked to be a Cover-2 shell.

As you can see, a lot of those throws were ones that were forced and were bad decisions. The McNair and Harrison plays were excellent plays that Rodney forced. The others were throws that the QB's forced. When a QB is forced to throw into either double, triple, or just tight coverage, bad things happen. Rodney also had the benefit of playing on a defense where the positions and players around him were stacked. Further, Rodney was known as being somewhat of a liability in coverage. Therefore, QB's typically tried -and thought- they could test him. McCourty isn't known to be nearly as big of a liability. QB's don't throw in his direction as much. That tends to be the case with most highly talented free safeties, as others have pointed out the stats for other Tier 1 FS's in the league already in this thread.

 

[PATS68]

Do you have anything helpful to add to this thread or are you just going to keep living in the past? What does any of that have to do with DMC and what he is worth is todays market?

Do you actually watch football?

And you are who? Are serious with "Do you actually watch football" what we like ten or something? We back in high school or something? Living in the past, No, I can just watch the Ravens from two years ago and the Seahawks from this past year and see the same type of plays. I saw two hits in the playoffs from the safety position that changed the entire game. Pollard on Wes Welker and Chancellor on the Denver WR. Making plays when it counts.

 

[PATS68]

Okay, I'll take a crack at that...

1. Steve McNair INT: Good coverage and an overthrow.

2. Peyton Manning INT #1: Terrible throw by Manning into good zone coverage. Bad decision that was forced by pressure up front in a game where Manning was already choking.

3. Marvin Harrison fumble: Very nice position on the hit.

4. Peyton Manning INT #2: Another terrible throw and decision by Manning into double coverage.

5. Ben Roethlisberger INT: Rookie QB locked in on his first option and a very bad decision to throw the ball there.

6. Donovan McNabb INT #1: Terrible decision. The ball is thrown into tight double coverage.

7. Donovan McNabb INT #2: Good decision by McNabb, but the throw was too high, causing the ball to fall into Rodney's arms as he was sitting back in what looked to be a Cover-2 shell.

As you can see, a lot of those throws were ones that were forced and were bad decisions. The McNair and Harrison plays were excellent plays that Rodney forced. The others were throws that the QB's forced. When a QB is forced to throw into either double, triple, or just tight coverage, bad things happen. Rodney also had the benefit of playing on a defense where the positions and players around him were stacked. Further, Rodney was known as being somewhat of a liability in coverage. Therefore, QB's typically tried -and thought- they could test him. McCourty isn't known to be nearly as big of a liability. QB's don't throw in his direction as much. That tends to be the case with most highly talented free safeties, as others have pointed out the stats for other Tier 1 FS's in the league already in this thread.

Would you agree with me based on your own argument that McCourty should be able to make the same plays in the same system?

What your missing in your break down is where he was on the field and where he ended up making the play on the ball. Double coverage is because he could read and react and make a play. Would you agree that the last 2 SB winners had outstanding safety play, and do you think McCourty played at that level like the 4 players did?