Report: Patriots Want To Trade Up In First Round, Draft Wide Receiver

[JackBauer]

maybe, but the key is that he is a rotational guy at best so he should be relied upon for any real contribution to the team.

Since when do rotational guys not make a "real contribution" to the team?

 

[Bonzo]

Dismissing for the moment that I anticipate (and would prefer) a
scenario miming last-year's trade-down...

Watch Belichick shock us all yet again (lol), and package Mallet & a couple picks to go up and snag Watkins. But other than that, I don't really see much separation between the dudes who will get plucked off the board on day one and the rest of the pack.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

"I don't believe Brady would be able to take advantage of a burner anymore, most of the Patriots passing offense is going to continue to be YAC."


STRONGLY DISAGREE. Brady has not lost any arm strength, thats for sure. He can still huck it 70 yards downfield. It's not bradys fault the past 5 years he has had ZERO deep threats on our team. I mean we literally had no one capable of being a deep threat. You give brady a legitimate deep threat, and he will find a way to get the ball to him. WE NEEED A DEEP THREAT. Our offense in its last 3 playoff losses has scored less than 20 points!!! We need a deep threat to open up the middle of the field, and stretch the D.

Combine a good deep threat with good slot WRs and an all pro TE, that makes a complete offense

 

[meatface]

Since when do rotational guys not make a "real contribution" to the team?

They do but that's his ceiling and I think they would be well served to look for someone better

 

[supafly]

I don't think they've spent much in terms of resources or money for that position.

Not as much as other teams, but it's certainly been addressed, which is the point. It's up to your personal opinion (moreso BB's) as to whether or not it's been addressed sufficiently.

Amendola's contract is still only $4m a year.

I thought the cap hit was closer to 5 this year, with an AAV of 5.7.

Either way, when you pair that with Edelman's new pact, Amendola's old pact from last year, LaFell's new pact, and the recent draft choices of a #2nd rounder, and a #4th rounder---I think a reasonable argument can be made that yes....we've definitely allocated some resources to the position as of late.

No matter what your opinion may be, I think they should definitely be in a much better position than last year's debacle of a corps, and that's what my stance was that you quoted. I agree with you that they should target a WR, but "where" is up for debate--like most positions.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

STRONGLY DISAGREE. Brady has not lost any arm strength, thats for sure. He can still huck it 70 yards downfield. It's not bradys fault the past 5 years he has had ZERO deep threats on our team.

You're right!
Why just in the AFCCG game Brady had Edelman deep and "hucked it 70 yards downfield" the only problem was that Jules was only about 60 or 65 yards downfield.

 

[Joker]

cut the bum...

 

[ausbacker]

If Bitonio can play Center, I'd far prefer a player of his caliber than to move up for a Wide Receiver. Protecting Brady is the single most important thing (in my eyes) on offense.

 

[DaBruinz]

maybe, but the key is that he is a rotational guy at best so he should be relied upon for any real contribution to the team.

You really need to think about what you say because this didn't make any sense. I believe you were trying to say that Jones "shouldn't" be relied upon for any real contribution to the team.

The idea that Jones is a rotational guy "at best" is flawed. If you actually watched the games, you'd know that they doubled up on him during running plays. He can't handle a double team. But that comes from being, primarily, a pass rusher and the fact that he's doesn't have a lot of sand in his pants. Have him put on another 20 lbs in his legs and arms and let's see how he does..

Just because someone is a "rotational guy" doesn't mean we shouldn't expect things from him. On the contrary. It means when he is out there that he SHOULD be making a contribution. Much the way Jarvis Green and Mike Wright used to do.

BTW, would you care to share with everyone what is a good number for QB hurries for an interior D-lineman?

 

[DaBruinz]

So, Aaron Dobson is in a walking boot 2 1/2 to 3 months after surgery for a stress fracture. I know these things can take a long while to heal but that's quite a bit of time. I don't know, but I'm not feeling great about our receivers staying healthy. Dobson goes down, then what? Amendola and Edelman will be in the slot, but can you rely on LaFell, Boyce and Thompkins? I wouldn't. I'd like to see them grab a WR in the 2nd or 3rd.

Dobson just had surgery for the fracture on March 11th. The TOTAL recovery time is to be 2-3 months. Where do you get that he'll be in a walking boot for the entire recovery time?

The Patriots have spent 20 MILLION in the last year on Amendola, Edelman, and LaFell, not to mention the 2nd and 4th round picks on Dobson and Boyce. And you want to spend ANOTHER 2nd or 3rd round pick on a guy who may or may not be able to do as well as LaFell, Boyce and Thompkins? That makes no sense at all and doesn't seem to be very well thought out on your part.

 

[DaBruinz]

I don't think they've spent much in terms of resources or money for that position. I bet NE has spent fewer picks and less money than 2/3rds of the league. Amendola's contract is still only $4m a year. LaFell is on short money. You can compare to, say, what the Broncos have spent with Welker. In the last 5 years, the Brocnos also expended a 1, 2, 3 and 5 on Thomas, Royal, Decker and Tavares. The Patriots expended a 2, 3, 3, 4 on Dobson, Price, Tate and Boyce. Similar resources, but that #1 really panned out for Denver.

Upstarter - you really should do better homework.
The Pats spend $8 million on Amendola last year and he's on the books for another $3 million this year for a total of $11 Million.
The Pats just spent $6.5 million in new money on Edelman.
The Pats just spent $3.8Million on LaFell.

That's over $21 MILLION in new cash since the start of Free Agency last year year. How can you say that they've not spent much in terms of resources or money on the position?

 

[meatface]

You really need to think about what you say because this didn't make any sense. I believe you were trying to say that Jones "shouldn't" be relied upon for any real contribution to the team.

The idea that Jones is a rotational guy "at best" is flawed. If you actually watched the games, you'd know that they doubled up on him during running plays. He can't handle a double team. But that comes from being, primarily, a pass rusher and the fact that he's doesn't have a lot of sand in his pants. Have him put on another 20 lbs in his legs and arms and let's see how he does..

Just because someone is a "rotational guy" doesn't mean we shouldn't expect things from him. On the contrary. It means when he is out there that he SHOULD be making a contribution. Much the way Jarvis Green and Mike Wright used to do.

BTW, would you care to share with everyone what is a good number for QB hurries for an interior D-lineman?

My point was simply that you cannot just say that Jones had 6.5 sacks and call him a great player, i think he could contribute but players like Justin Francis have also been cut despite what we as fans thought of as promising seasons. Maybe he will be able to be a good rotational piece for the team, we will just have to wait and see.

 

[upstater1]

You're right!
Why just in the AFCCG game Brady had Edelman deep and "hucked it 70 yards downfield" the only problem was that Jules was only about 60 or 65 yards downfield.

You're making his point. Edelman? Long ball threat?

 

[upstater1]

Upstarter - you really should do better homework.
The Pats spend $8 million on Amendola last year and he's on the books for another $3 million this year for a total of $11 Million.
The Pats just spent $6.5 million in new money on Edelman.
The Pats just spent $3.8Million on LaFell.

That's over $21 MILLION in new cash since the start of Free Agency last year year. How can you say that they've not spent much in terms of resources or money on the position?

I can't dislike this post enough.

Paying a bonus that is spread over the life of the contract is somehow construed as devoting significant resources in one year. It's a silly argument.

If I sign say Miles Austin to a 5 year contract with $5m in bonuses, yeah $5m sounds like I'm devoting a lot, but in reality it's only $1m per, which is practically minimal. Come on!!!!

 

[upstater1]

Dobson just had surgery for the fracture on March 11th. The TOTAL recovery time is to be 2-3 months. Where do you get that he'll be in a walking boot for the entire recovery time?

The Patriots have spent 20 MILLION in the last year on Amendola, Edelman, and LaFell, not to mention the 2nd and 4th round picks on Dobson and Boyce. And you want to spend ANOTHER 2nd or 3rd round pick on a guy who may or may not be able to do as well as LaFell, Boyce and Thompkins? That makes no sense at all and doesn't seem to be very well thought out on your part.

I was going by the actual article that said he had surgery in early February.

 

[DaBruinz]

I can't dislike this post enough.

Paying a bonus that is spread over the life of the contract is somehow construed as devoting significant resources in one year. It's a silly argument.

If I sign say Miles Austin to a 5 year contract with $5m in bonuses, yeah $5m sounds like I'm devoting a lot, but in reality it's only $1m per, which is practically minimal. Come on!!!!

WHAT? Signing bonuses are paid all at once. Just because they are amortized over the life of the contract (up to five years) doesn't mean they didn't shell out the cash all at once. Yours is the silly argument.

Acting like cash outlay isn't a devoting a significant amount of resources in one year when it's something the league tracks proves that you just aren't paying attention to the league changes..

 

[DaBruinz]

I was going by the actual article that said he had surgery in early February.

Which article would that be?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...receiver-aaron-dobson-undergoes-foot-surgery/
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-.../4759926/source-foot-surgery-for-aaron-dobson
http://bostonherald.com/sports/patr...atriots/2014/03/aaron_dobson_has_foot_surgery

 

[TruthSeeker]

I think TE is a bigger need, BUT WR is so much deeper in this draft. I think a good receiver could probably be had in the 3rd round. Best available TE or Dline in the first round, and go the same way in the second round. 3rd round, A guy like Allen Robinson may still be available, or Brandon Coleman in the 4th round. I think a RB is a need as well.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

You're making his point. Edelman? Long ball threat?

Point being Edes was open deep, well beyond any defender.
TFB had time to throw and missed him by a mile, not inches.

Instead of speedy long ball threats this QB is better serviced by a complementary TE to Gronk (assuming Gronk healthy) and a talented outside receiver.

All this receiver stuff is moot if the Pats do not shore up their up the middle QB protection which gets regularly exposed by elite championship game Ds.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Point being Edes was open deep, well beyond any defender.
TFB had time to throw and missed him by a mile, not inches.

Exactly. Brady is still elite but anyone who claims he throws an accurate long ball either doesn't watch the games or is a pathological Brady rump swab. IMO it is his biggest weakness and it cost the Pats big plays a number of times last year (missing wide open WRs).