Pats and Wilfork close to a deal for an extension?

[RayClay]

Just cut the fat bastid. Hes always been a stick in the mud in negotiations dating back to his last contract. Hes all about the dough (not cookie) Seriously, he was a good player for us he was paid as a good player for us and if this how he wants to go, good riddens have fun finishing your career like Seymour.

There are still plenty of fat men available who can do what Wilfork can at this stage of his career for a hell of a lot cheaper. I really dont mean to be an ass because i honestly have really enjoyed watching him as a player for this organization but at this point he wants to play hard ball show him the streets. No player is bigger than the team. The only guy who could play this game and deservedly so would be TB12

I imagine the original version of this was in crayon.

 

[Ring 6]

I trust the fact that the Patriots have not released him yet and are still trying to work out a deal a lot more than I trust Tom Curran. I consider Curran to be an absolute moron, Quick Slants is a freaking embarrassment, and I cannot believe it is on the air, the show is like Pee-wee Herman covering football.

What are you talking about?
Curran is a paid reporter who is relaying what he heard from the team.
You are using an Instagram picture to say he is wrong. You cannot possibly think you are more credible.

As far as the photos go, I made note of them because it is largely speculated that Wilfork is fat as ever and that is not true, he looks like he does every time I have seen him in the past decade.

What does that have to do with anything?

As far as the shoes go, well I pointed them out because the discussion is that he would not be ready to play for six weeks into the season. This would mean in that picture he was eight-nine months from a return to the football field, and I would expect him to be in a walking boot at least if that was actually the case.

Again, where do you surmise that footwear is an indication of rehab. I don't think anyone felt he had to be in a boot to have his return timetable be questioned. Info from the team is more reliable than speculating what his footwear choice indicates.

If the Achilles was not completely healed structurally he would at least had it wrapped, the fact that he was not even wearing high tops to lend support tells me that structurally his Achilles is sound and now it comes down to getting back into shape and regaining his strength and mobility. That should not take him eight-nine months to do.

You are simply making this opinion up.

Foolish is that we are taking anything that has to do with a major injury seriously that Curran says.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...bout-brady-s-recovery-page4.html#.UzM0E-NdWK9

NBC Sports: Brady behind schedule in recovery from surgery - Pats Pulpit

So he was wrong about one injury, and you now think you can tell more from a photograph than he can from what he says the team told him. Does this mean next time you are wrong you lose all credibility forever?

 

[Rob0729]

No because I am standing in front of the doctor, but since I am not at the doctor with Wilfork then yes I would take what he looks like currently, and that his leg is not even in a wrap into consideration. Especially when that photo was taken in early February, which was 8 months prior to the start of the NFL season.

You are forming your opinion on the word of Curran; maybe you should take a read back to 2009, read some of you own words, and make sure you really want to hook your star to his wagon again.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...bout-brady-s-recovery-page4.html#.UzM0Z-NdWK8

First, nothing in that photo says that he is 100% back to 2012 form or will never play another down of football again.

Second, do you really think Wilfork would have his leg wrapped in March (he was on vacation the week it was announced he asked for his release) after having surgery in October or November? Is he a hemophiliac or something? He would only need bandages if he still had an open wound and he at this point and he would have a clotting issue if the wound itself wasn't healed at this point.

Third, just because Wilfork can walk around a beach resort without any brace or walking boot doesn't mean he is remotely cleared to start running or training with his lower body.

Fourth, what I think Curran got wrong was portraying the worst case scenario with Brady as a realistic scenario. He did get right that there was an infection and that there was a possibility that Brady would have to have his ACL replaced again. What he got wrong was that it was a remote possibility.

 

[Brady6]

What are you talking about?
Curran is a paid reporter who is relaying what he heard from the team.
You are using an Instagram picture to say he is wrong. You cannot possibly think you are more credible.

If you think that he would be gallivanting around in loafers without so much as an ace bandage around it if he had any structural damage I really do not know what I can say except I think you are wrong.

As far as being more creditable, I am not a reporter but you better F-ing believe I find what I see in a picture on his wife’s Instagram page more creditable than I do some halfwit reporter who lacks any insight into anything at all and would probably struggle to break down an extra point play. For the record who on the team has said anything about PUP and Wilfork? Names, positions, anything?

What does that have to do with anything?

Umm huh? Are you confused, posters repeatedly said Wilfork was out of shape and overweight right now, the picture I posted from February does not reflect that.

Again, where do you surmise that footwear is an indication of rehab. I don't think anyone felt he had to be in a boot to have his return timetable be questioned. Info from the team is more reliable than speculating what his footwear choice indicates.

I am not going to try and explain common sense to you Andy, if you do not realize that an injury if not structurally healed would be supported by some type of cast, wrap, or at least a high top shoe then I can only assume you’ve never suffered a lower leg injury.

You are simply making this opinion up.

So are Curran and you for that matter. Heck, I showed evidence to support my position from Wilfork’s own wife, what has Curran provided to support his claims, and what have you provided besides referencing Curran to support your claims?

So he was wrong about one injury, and you now think you can tell more from a photograph than he can from what he says the team told him. Does this mean next time you are wrong you lose all credibility forever?

When you suggest that Tom Brady is going to miss all of the 2009 season due to a week one knee injury in 2008, then yes you lose all credibility with me. For the sake of conversation if you could identify an injury that Curran did project an accurate timeline for maybe I would consider what he has to say but all I see is incorrect information come out of his mouth.

Either way I am not arguing with you about this, you want to believe he is going to miss the first weeks be my guest, I do not see any chance of it, and if you want to wager on it let me know, otherwise this conversation is over as far as I am concerned.

 

[supafly]

what I think Curran got wrong was portraying the worst case scenario with Brady as a realistic scenario. He did get right that there was an infection and that there was a possibility that Brady would have to have his ACL replaced again. What he got wrong was that it was a remote possibility.

What I think he got wrong was speculating as much as and far as he did, but it wasn't necessarily a "remote" possibility--especially if Brady ended up needing his ACL replaced.

He had a pretty bad infection at the time, and Curran decided to run a bit farther with the worst case scenario than he probably should have.

As you and others have said, that doesn't mean that he should lose all credibility 5+ years down the road. He's got an ear to the team, and is a pretty decent reporter in my opinion.

you want to believe he is going to miss the first weeks be my guest, I do not see any chance of it

You and I are in agreement (as are some others) as far as Vince Wilfork being one of the hard working players who we'd doubt the least, but sometimes these severe injuries have a way of ruining even the hardest working players and their plans.

As far as there "not being any chance" of him missing week #1, there's actually about a 30% chance that he never plays the game of football again--period. Those are odds based on Vince's age and the nature of the injury, so that's not even taking weight etc into account.

How good/bad it is may be anyone's guess, and as much as I admire your faith and belief in him being able to come back, and even agree with it on some level, there are still odds that the team must take into account. I think we both know that having an 11.6 million dollar cap hit is WAY too steep to even consider under these conditions, so that's the kicker--along with attempting to come up with reasonable compensation for the next year or so.

 

[MassPats38]

If you think that he would be gallivanting around in loafers without so much as an ace bandage around it if he had any structural damage I really do not know what I can say except I think you are wrong.

Great find on the picture. He actually looks a little healthier than he did on the sidelines, so it's good to see.

As for the significance of his brace (or lack thereof), that is typical according to Mass. General Hospital post-surgery (see the link - 3 months after the surgery you typically do not wear a boot or brace). That link says you will not resume sports activities (I assume that means playing and conditioning to play) for 6 months after the surgery.

 

[SebertJr]

If he only looked like this still, can't remember exactly when this was....08 I believe.

 

[Rob0729]

What I think he got wrong was speculating as much as and far as he did, but it wasn't necessarily a "remote" possibility--especially if Brady ended up needing his ACL replaced.

He had a pretty bad infection at the time, and Curran decided to run a bit farther with the worst case scenario than he probably should have.

As you and others have said, that doesn't mean that he should lose all credibility 5+ years down the road. He's got an ear to the team, and is a pretty decent reporter in my opinion.



You and I are in agreement (as are some others) as far as Vince Wilfork being one of the hard working players who we'd doubt the least, but sometimes these severe injuries have a way of ruining even the hardest working players and their plans.

As far as there "not being any chance" of him missing week #1, there's actually about a 30% chance that he never plays the game of football again--period. Those are odds based on Vince's age and the nature of the injury, so that's not even taking weight etc into account.

How good/bad it is may be anyone's guess, and as much as I admire your faith and belief in him being able to come back, and even agree with it on some level, there are still odds that the team must take into account. I think we both know that having an 11.6 million dollar cap hit is WAY too steep to even consider under these conditions, so that's the kicker--along with attempting to come up with reasonable compensation for the next year or so.

Maybe I was a little overstating things when I said remote, but it probably wasn't the likely outcome (which seems to be the case because Brady was fine in the long run), but either he or his source made it out to be far more likely an outcome than it was.

And yes I agree, one bad report does not make a reporter lack all credibility in anything he reports. Curran has had had many solid scoops before and after that incident.

And I also agree about Wilfork. I don't doubt Wilfork is working his butt off to try to be ready and at 100% by the start of the season. He knows he only has a couple more bites at the apple in terms of seasons in his NFL career even if he was never injured and doesn't want to spend the first six week on PUP or never play again.

Unfortunately, hard work and determination cannot overcome medical science and the passage of time in most cases. As you said, there is a chance that no matter how hard Wilfork works, he may never play again. I don't know about percentages, but achilles tears have ruined careers of players much younger and more physically fit than Wilfork. It is the sad fact.

 

[50-yard-line]

I want to see the % of non-fringe (not guys like TJ Moe), starting caliber players who have been able to return in the LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

Because the procedures to repair have dramatically changed, and several have come back running FASTER than before.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm on it! Gonna go pop my achilles to increase my speed in 2015!

 

[kennyb]

They should trade this broken down hulk for Evan Mathis straight up.

 

[borg]

Forgive me if my following point was already discussed in one of the 42 pages of this thread....but.....When Big Vince requested his release from his contract with NE, did he offer to return the prorated portion of his signing bonus for the portion of the contract he no longer wants to be in?

 

[TBR]

Restructure confirmed!

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/449297287961784321

 

[Sciz]

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/449297287961784321

Patriots and DT Vince Wilfork restructured his contract. It's a new 3-year, $22.5M deal, per source. Wilfork stays a Patriot.

...and perhaps some foreshadowing
https://twitter.com/nepd_loyko/status/449297532141969408

Good to see the #Patriots push the Vince deal across the line.. There were working hard on it last week to sign another player they had in

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/449297754158686208

Wilfork’s new deal is through 2016 and earns him the right to make $8M in 2014.

Sounds like that $22.5M is the max value, but there's incentives in there.

 

[mrscruff]

https://twitter.com/wilfork75/status/449296175473364992

My thoughts pic.twitter.com/MUW3I3ml4Y

 

[Deus Irae]

Great news. Now let's see the cap, and see how firm next season's portion looks.


BTW, 3 at 22.5 is the 7.5 number

 

[Deus Irae]

Wilfork’s new deal is through 2016 and earns him the right to make $8M in 2014.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/449297754158686208

 

[Miguel]

Closing this thread since there is a new one about the extension.

 

[jmt57]

With 400+ replies, let's close this thread with the speculation and opinions being based on Vince's not being re-signed, and carry on here:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...fork-restructures-contract-3-yr-22-5-mil.html