Rumor or Speculation (IDK): Patriots shopping Amendola

[Brady6]

You think that Amendola is worth Collie or Lloyd money in free agency. If Belichick agreed, Amendola would be cut already. In any case, if you are correct, Amendola will be cut in the next week. This situation is really that simple. No other information is needed. There is no reason to pay a $1M JAG four million a year. Whether Edelman signs or not, Belichick will not pay a $1M player $4M. In your construction of the world, Belichick would just go out and sign another player or two.

For the rest of the world, Amendola was on the free agency market last year and had a value. The current market (with more money in it) can now decide how much Amendola's value has changed since last year when he was paid $8M by the patriots last year. If he is now worth under $2M or even less than $1M as you suggest with your two examples, then you are correct.

What I will tell you is that neither party is likely to have your view of the market. But that's fine. We all have our views.

Well what exactly do you see in Amendola that Collie doesn't offer? Collie is younger, and has a more productive career up until the string of concussions. They both have the same risk associated with them in terms of injury in my opinion. Lloyd was more productive in 2012 than Amendola last year.

I suspect that every major sporting news outlet in US would not be reporting the possibility of Amendola being released if it did not have a strong likelihood of happening.

 

[Brady6]

So, Brady and Danny Amendola are spotted on the beach today working out, running routes, etc--and yet, the only thing we can talk about is what will happen when Amendola is cut next week. Gotcha.

One could make a pretty strong case that Tom Brady + Danny Amendola picked an awfully strange time period to decide to hook up and work out together on their own, if this is going to be the case.

It was not Amendola.

 

[supafly]

It was not Amendola.

Oh, you mean it was a report that ended up being incorrect in the end?

Apologies then.

 

[mgteich]

We'll all check by the time of the draft to see who is making more: Collie or Amendola.

Well what exactly do you see in Amendola that Collie doesn't offer? Collie is younger, and has a more productive career up until the string of concussions. They both have the same risk associated with them in terms of injury in my opinion. Lloyd was more productive in 2012 than Amendola last year.

I suspect that every major sporting news outlet in US would not be reporting the possibility of Amendola being released if it did not have a strong likelihood of happening.

 

[mgteich]

We have been discussing the possibility since the season ended. It was you who needed to be convinced that it was a reasonable possibility.

You make a clear error in logic when you presume that the media would not reporting the possibility if there was not a strong likelihood of it happening. The media does this all the time.

I suspect that every major sporting news outlet in US would not be reporting the possibility of Amendola being released if it did not have a strong likelihood of happening.

 

[BradyToAmendola]

It was not Amendola.

How do you know? Link?

 

[primetime]

Well what exactly do you see in Amendola that Collie doesn't offer?

Well, for one, there's no risk of Amendola dying on the field of play.

 

[Brady6]

Well, for one, there's no risk of Amendola dying on the field of play.

I swear I laughed when I read this because oddly Amendola is probably in the 0.01% of NFL players that I could provide something to dispute your claim.

Report: Rams WR Danny Amendola's clavicle injury could have been life-threatening - CBSSports.com

 

[Brady6]

How do you know? Link?

The article was posted by Barstool and the esteemed Barstool writer said “I have no clue if that is really Amendola”. It was a spoof, take a look at the thread I posted a still picture of the guy and it was not Amendola. Amendola is significantly bigger than the guy and I seriously doubt that someone healing from a groin injury would be running agility drills on the beach, the sand does not off the stability you would want for that type of injury.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-amendola-working-out-beach.html#.Uxpce-NdWK9

 

[primetime]

I swear I laughed when I read this because oddly Amendola is probably in the 0.01% of NFL players that I could provide something to dispute your claim.

Report: Rams WR Danny Amendola's clavicle injury could have been life-threatening - CBSSports.com

That's not disputing my claim. Collie has brain damage. Amendola does not (or, no more than any other slot receiver).

 

[Brady6]

That's not disputing my claim. Collie has brain damage. Amendola does not (or, no more than any other slot receiver).

There actually is, you are suggesting something that I have never seen reported. Collie does not have brain damage, do you have a link to support that claim?

Collie has suffered 3 concussions, he was evaluated by the 49ers medical director who is considered the best head injury doctor in the NFL and he was cleared to play. Amendola has 2 career concussions.

 

[supafly]

I suspect that every major sporting news outlet in US would not be reporting the possibility of Amendola being released if it did not have a strong likelihood of happening.

Except, all of these "major sporting outlets in the US" all link it straight back to Dan Pompei's article on Bleacher Report.

Most guys like Jay Glazer (for example) have the "3 source rule," where they refuse to print or report anything unless they have 3 separate sources all confirming the same thing. In this case, all of these reports keep referring to one man from Bleacher Report's opinion.

To be honest, if we already figured out weeks ago that it's impossible to designate Amendola as a post-June 1st designation since he's guaranteed on the first day of the league year, I'm not even sure why this conversation keeps getting brought up?

I think it'd be pretty unlikely that the Patriots would be okay with lessening their cap space in 2014 to get rid of Amendola after only one year. There really doesn't seem to be much to go by in this instance, at least in my opinion. It all leads back to one guy's speculation.

 

[primetime]

There actually is, you are suggesting something that I have never seen reported. Collie does not have brain damage, do you have a link to support that claim?

Collie has suffered 3 concussions, he was evaluated by the 49ers medical director who is considered the best head injury doctor in the NFL and he was cleared to play. Amendola has 2 career concussions.

Concussions tend to result in brain damage for what it's worth (especially massive ones that take huge chunks out of your career), but the Patriots requiring Collie to sign a waiver against liability for his death on the field should be a fairly good sign of what Amendola has that Collie does not.

Aside from substantially more on-field production over the last few years even with injuries, that is.

 

[Brady6]

We'll all check by the time of the draft to see who is making more: Collie or Amendola.

That does not answer my question. I did not ask who was going to be making more at the time of the draft; I asked what you see in Amendola that is superior to Austin Collie. I you cannot answer that question that is fine but do not throw back statements that are not relevant to my question whatsoever.

Many QBs will be making more than Tom Brady at the time of the draft, the way bad contracts are signed in the NFL relying on APY to determine how good a player is, is fool’s gold.

 

[Brady6]

Concussions tend to result in brain damage for what it's worth (especially massive ones that take huge chunks out of your career), but the Patriots requiring Collie to sign a waiver against liability for his death on the field should be a fairly good sign of what Amendola has that Collie does not.

Aside from substantially more on-field production over the last few years even with injuries, that is.

Interestingly entering this season Austin Collie played in 44 games was targeted 286 times for 190 receptions, 1967 yards, and 18 touchdowns. Amendola had played in 42 games was targeted 293 times for 196 receptions, 1726 yards, and 7 touchdowns.

So I will ask the question again, aside from the risk of injury which both Collie and Amendola have what does Amendola offer that Collie does not? Collie would cost $715K to sign, and Amendola is going to cost another $3.4M on top of the $8M already paid?

So many of you keep saying Amendola and Edelman, for me it is not even comparable, it would take Amendola almost 2 seasons to reach the production Edelman had in 2013 based on his career averages. With that in mind I question why pay Amendola $5.7M APY to be the backup and #3 WR when I could sign Collie for $715K and use the rest of that money someplace else.

 

[Brady6]

I think it'd be pretty unlikely that the Patriots would be okay with lessening their cap space in 2014 to get rid of Amendola after only one year. There really doesn't seem to be much to go by in this instance, at least in my opinion. It all leads back to one guy's speculation.

The $4.8M hits our cap at some point in the next 4 years, it does not matter what we do the money is going to affect the salary cap it is sunk. Your logic is that we should spend $3.4M more on Danny Amendola to avoid taking a cap hit that we will take at some point anyway.



The phrase cap savings is so misleading, there are not cap savings if we wait to release Amendola until 2015, the savings are against keeping him, and it will still cost $3.6 M to release him 2015. At the end of the day, you can release him now and you have $8M invested, if you want to hold him until 2015 to release him the total spend goes to $11.4M on Amendola. You are advocating spending money, not saving money.



Contracts can be structured to accomidate the cap hit for Amendola in 2014; you take the $4.8M hit now and then in 2015 and beyond you are completely clear of that money. Why prolong it that is robbing Peter to pay Paul.



As far as giving him another chance, well realistically if we resign Edelman the chance he had in 2013 is gone; everything about his contract was based on him being the #1 slot receiver. If that were not possible anymore, why would we give him a chance to take on a lesser role for the same money that we were paying him to do the more prominent job? What you and other seem to be overlooking is if Edelman signs a contract there is no longer another chance to be given to Amendola, the job he was hired to do is now another players, so you will be giving him a chance to be the #3 WR and backup slot receiver, I have no problem giving him that chance, heck I invite that idea but not if it is going to cost us $3.4M in new money.

 

[strngplyr]

Interestingly entering this season Austin Collie played in 44 games was targeted 286 times for 190 receptions, 1967 yards, and 18 touchdowns. Amendola had played in 42 games was targeted 293 times for 196 receptions, 1726 yards, and 7 touchdowns.

So I will ask the question again, aside from the risk of injury which both Collie and Amendola have what does Amendola offer that Collie does not? Collie would cost $715K to sign, and Amendola is going to cost another $3.4M on top of the $8M already paid?

So many of you keep saying Amendola and Edelman, for me it is not even comparable, it would take Amendola almost 2 seasons to reach the production Edelman had in 2013 based on his career averages. With that in mind I question why pay Amendola $5.7M APY to be the backup and #3 WR when I could sign Collie for $715K and use the rest of that money someplace else.

To be fair, entering 2013, it would have taken Edelman about 3 years to reach the production. (I'm an Edelman>Amendola person btw, just saying it's not the best comparison)

 

[Brady6]

To be fair, entering 2013, it would have taken Edelman about 3 years to reach the production. (I'm an Edelman>Amendola person btw, just saying it's not the best comparison)

Yeah I don't disagree but that had more to do with the fact that he played behind Welker and was targeted less than 50 times in 2010, 2011, and 2012 combined. Amendola has received first team reps since 2009 and was the primary target in the Rams offense since 2010.

 

[mgteich]

There is nothing that can be said to change your mind, other than from your own mouth.

After all, you have spent many posts arguing that Amendola should not be cut and many posts arguing that he should be cut.
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Amendola and Collie were judged in the market. Their values were $8M and less than $1M for one year of their services. 2013 has convinced you that Collie is now more valuable than Amendola. You are entitled to that opinion. Clearly, you should give this information to Collie's agent.

In addition, you have indicated that neither the decision of the patriots nor the value placed by the market will change your opinion.
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You see all responses as irrelevant because I (and others) do not accept your analysis and constructs. So, in the end, there is little point in trying to convince you.

So, please do not think that my comments are ever meant to convince you of anything.

That does not answer my question. I did not ask who was going to be making more at the time of the draft; I asked what you see in Amendola that is superior to Austin Collie. I you cannot answer that question that is fine but do not throw back statements that are not relevant to my question whatsoever.

Many QBs will be making more than Tom Brady at the time of the draft, the way bad contracts are signed in the NFL relying on APY to determine how good a player is, is fool’s gold.

 

[supafly]

The $4.8M hits our cap at some point in the next 4 years, it does not matter what we do the money is going to affect the salary cap it is sunk. Your logic is that we should spend $3.4M more on Danny Amendola to avoid taking a cap hit that we will take at some point anyway.

The fact is that there was way more credibility to the thought that Amendola may have been cut as a post-June 1st designation before it was realized and pointed out that doing so would be impossible.

I wouldn't expect N.England to wish to pursue that unless he was some type of malcontent or problem in the locker room.

In a year where we're already forced to deal with Hernandez's dead cap hit and somewhat limited in space, it doesn't sound like it makes much sense to me. They'd also have to replace Amendola with whatever player they chose to bring in, so you'd just be adding another 2-3-4 million dollar cap hit onto everything as well.