Can Amendola be relied upon to play the slot?

[Patsrock]

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[PatsChamp88]

I'm hoping that Edelman will agree to something reasonable and fair, but if it's anything above 4m AAV or so, we may have seen the last of Julian Edelman (in my opinion anyway).

I think he can make 5 easily from another team and probably will.

 

[RayClay]

I suppose it would depend on what your definition of continuing with the short passing game would be, but we've had these exact players (with the exception of Dobson) for the past few years and it didn't make any difference whatsoever. We still saw slot guys and short field guys racking up targets like no one's business.

It made a lot of difference. In the Denver playoff I watched them line up four defenders a yard before the first down stripe which is why we couldn't have a short passing game. Had they tried that with a decent long receiver (Dobson would have been enough to scare them) or Gronk with or without hernandez, Brady would have been ringing up touchdowns, or, more likely, they would have been forced to play a more normal pass defense, allowing Brady to carve them up.

Simply put, If we've got nothing but short option types, the defense will take that away, same as we do.

 

[RayClay]

I'm hoping that Edelman will agree to something reasonable and fair, but if it's anything above 4m AAV or so, we may have seen the last of Julian Edelman (in my opinion anyway).

I don't know, but other teams weren't sitting around going ga ga over Edelman last season. I wouldn't be surprised he's considered a guy who over achieved due to injuries. Not a very sexy (football wise) player in size strength explosion etc.

He might end up getting only decent offers that the team might match. Everybody thinks all the other teams are drooling over their free agents.

 

[supafly]

It made a lot of difference. In the Denver playoff I watched them line up four defenders a yard before the first down stripe which is why we couldn't have a short passing game. Had they tried that with a decent long receiver (Dobson would have been enough to scare them) or Gronk with or without hernandez, Brady would have been ringing up touchdowns, or, more likely, they would have been forced to play a more normal pass defense, allowing Brady to carve them up.

Simply put, If we've got nothing but short option types, the defense will take that away, same as we do.

I absolutely agree with what you're saying RC, but I think there may have been a communication/misunderstanding issue.

My only claim was that we'll be continuing the shorter passing game on the majority of passing attempts, no matter what the circumstances are. I can't reasonably believe that anyone would feel that we'd be throwing 15 yards+ downfield on the majority of plays, but it's possible that maybe you do.

 

[RayClay]

I absolutely agree with what you're saying RC, but I think there may have been a communication/misunderstanding issue.

My only claim was that we'll be continuing the shorter passing game on the majority of passing attempts, no matter what the circumstances are. I can't reasonably believe that anyone would feel that we'd be throwing 15 yards+ downfield on the majority of plays, but it's possible that maybe you do.

My bad.

I agree with you, that's where Brady is the best.

We should have more than enough deep threats, based on healthy Gronk and Dobson and projected acquisitions.

 

[supafly]

I don't know, but other teams weren't sitting around going ga ga over Edelman last season. I wouldn't be surprised he's considered a guy who over achieved due to injuries. Not a very sexy (football wise) player in size strength explosion etc.

He might end up getting only decent offers that the team might match. Everybody thinks all the other teams are drooling over their free agents.

Exactly my thinking as well.

For what it's worth Greg Bedard (obviously now with Sports Illustrated and the MMQB.com column) rates Blount higher than Edelman.

He has Julian Edelman coming in at #58 overall, and I tend to agree with his placement.

Had the circumstances not been bottom of the barrel last year, Edelman doesn't receive all of those targets and production. It's got to occur to the other 31 GMs, as well as our own in Belichick.

I've had him pegged at 3.5 to 4 million AAV the whole time, and then I've finally caved due to believing others' opinions. Now my projection has gone up to a solid 4 million.

 

[supafly]

My bad.

I agree with you, that's where Brady is the best.

We should have more than enough deep threats, based on healthy Gronk and Dobson and projected acquisitions.

As I think you mentioned, the addition of some legitimate threats would have made an enormous difference in the DEN loss, even if they weren't producing as much as we'd have liked. It would have still allowed some differences with the way that they defended us, which is probably just as big as actual production, since it'd open things up more for the other guys as well.

That lack of threat (which is what I believe you're getting at) has been painful to watch, and I can only hope that Belichick feels the same. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[ripatsfan91]

I'm hoping that Edelman will agree to something reasonable and fair, but if it's anything above 4m AAV or so, we may have seen the last of Julian Edelman (in my opinion anyway).

I would be willing to go up to 4.5-5 APY. He is worth it. He was the ONLY reliable player last season and broke out. He is hitting his prime and he is Brady's go to guy. We all saw how well things started last season :bricks::bricks:

With the salary cap increase 10 M, the prisoner's money coming off the books after 2014, and Amendola's dead money virtually gone after next season; I think it would relatively easy and smart to sign JE.

That is BEFORE we do any restructuring or cuts. Lets put it this way I would rather have Edelman at 5M cap hit than Wilfork as a 4M cap hit.

If he wants more than 4.5 or 5 he can go somewhere else.

 

[RayClay]

As I think you mentioned, the addition of some legitimate threats would have made an enormous difference in the DEN loss, even if they weren't producing as much as we'd have liked. It would have still allowed some differences with the way that they defended us, which is probably just as big as actual production, since it'd open things up more for the other guys as well.

That lack of threat (which is what I believe you're getting at) has been painful to watch, and I can only hope that Belichick feels the same. We'll find out soon enough.

People evaluate that season as if we were undermanned at receiver forgetting we has Hernandez an expected healthy Gronk, Dobson and Thomkins were injured late and Amendola early in a critical place for a slot guy.

Based on what i saw, we would have been loaded if health/not a murderer. You can only take on so many at those positions. Thomkins was inconsistent, but might have developed. I don't think Dobson was questionable, he was a good looking rook by the time he got injured IMO.

 

[supafly]

I would be willing to go up to 4.5-5 APY. He is worth it. He was the ONLY reliable player last season and broke out. He is hitting his prime and he is Brady's go to guy. We all saw how well things started last season :bricks::bricks:

With the salary cap increase 10 M, the prisoner's money coming off the books after 2014, and Amendola's dead money virtually gone after next season; I think it would relatively easy and smart to sign JE.

That is BEFORE we do any restructuring or cuts. Lets put it this way I would rather have Edelman at 5M cap hit than Wilfork as a 4M cap hit.

If he wants more than 4.5 or 5 he can go somewhere else.

You make a solid argument. I'm not as sure that I'd fully agree with you, but you may end up being right.

I have a feeling that they'll offer Edelman a pact prior to FA, he'll turn it down, and they'll let the market set his value. Either that, or they may already have just decided that they're going to let him field other offers, and see what the market is offering.

In the end, I'm not as certain that Belichick is going to want to pay both Amendola and Edelman around 5+ million dollars AAV, but we'll have to see how it plays out.

 

[Don_the_patfan]

If Amendola can't be trusted to play the slot (and stay healthy) then I would push slot WR as a higher need.

Did you trust Edelman to do those things before this past year? Scratch that..did you trust Edelman to be on the field for a season?

 

[cstjohn17]

Did you trust Edelman to do those things before this past year? Scratch that..did you trust Edelman to be on the field for a season?

No I sure didn't, I don't think too many people did. Slot WR is a tough position to play and stay healthy which is what made Welker's run so incredible.

I would like it if Edelman came back but think they will focus more on CB (Talib) and D Line. That leaves Amendola at slot WR, for better or for worse. Hopefully he is laying a bed recovering, that was a really bad injury. Groins are brutal to heal.

 

[Zeus]

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Groundhog Day - Amendola/Edelman featuring innumerable unpunctuated 10,000 word posts by Rainman.

That's the offseason for you. Nature abhors a vacuum and so does this board.

 

[The Brandon Five]

If I were a mod, I'd rename the thread title to "The official 2014 offseason Danny Amendola super thread", then begin merging the multiple Amendola threads in here to see how big this can get. Sort of like an Amendola version of the "Jets Suck" threads.

My choice would be: "Can Amendola be relied upon to play?"

 

[Brady6]

but, as you know only too well...I was born bereft of a conscience...and therefore am very prone to the repetitive beating of the proverbial horse when challenged...like somebody else we know in this very thread.

How exactly does a conscious have anything to do with discussing the Amendola situation at length?

 

[BradyFTW!]

That is what you are arguing and others. There are others who are suggesting that he is going to be the player he was in week one every week. That is a 160 receptions 1664 yard receivers. It would be a career year if Amendola achieved half of that.

Can you find even one quote where anyone on this forum stated that Amendola is a 160 reception, 1664 yard receiver if he stays healthy? Just one? Again, you can find one person suggesting even the most insane and nonsensical of viewpoints, but I seriously doubt that you can find even one post on Patsfans suggesting that Amendola is a 1664 yard receiver.

 

[Joker]

How exactly does a conscious have anything to do with discussing the Amendola situation at length?

I have no idea. Conscious is an adjective. You're using it as a subject noun.

 

[Brady6]

Can you find even one quote where anyone on this forum stated that Amendola is a 160 reception, 1664 yard receiver if he stays healthy? Just one? Again, you can find one person suggesting even the most insane and nonsensical of viewpoints, but I seriously doubt that you can find even one post on Patsfans suggesting that Amendola is a 1664 yard receiver.

I am referring to post #30 in this thread, the poster said we would get the type of production we saw in week 1 from Amendola if he was healthy, 10 catches for 104 yards per games comes out to 160 catches and 1664 yards.

For the record, everyone was projecting Amendola to be the second coming of Welker and you know it. Read back through the offseason 2013 and the preseason threads and you will see. You yourself even stated you thought Amendola would outperform Welker. They both had injuries so that does not really give Amendola an excuse.

I'd probably pick Amendola, then make sure that I had good depth at WR. I think that Amendola will out produce Welker when healthy, mainly because of the receiving options that they're lining up alongside, and where FF is concerned I'm okay with injury-prone guys, provided that they produce in a big way when healthy. If he's injured, there's always ways to replace him.

You know what I do not really understand is back in September you posted as if the injury was no big deal, and now all of a sudden it is the reason that Amendola underperformed.

my guess would be that Amendola missed the Jets and Bucs games in order to rest his groin. Once he's back, though, I don't see the point in assuming he'll miss more games. My guess would be that he'll play 14.

 

[Brady6]

I have no idea. Conscious is an adjective. You're using it as a subject noun.

Even as an adjective, what does it have to do with discussing Amendola?

I know you have been trolling around this forum for a decade taking passive aggressive shots at your fellow men and women for your own amusement and feeling of self-worth but I really do not want to be part of it. I have noticed 75% of what you post are trolling, 20% is meaningless nonsense that pertains to nothing, and about 5% of it is meaningful. I am only interested in being part of the 5% meaningful; if you want to take shots at posters, you do you but do not direct them at me. I have never done anything to you and I am always extremely respectful toward you, do not mistake that kindness for weakness because I have very little patience for people saying stuff they would never say in real life when behind a computer screen.

What I said about being forum friends the other night, you can consider that offer rescinded. Take care!