Michael Lombardi coming to New England?

[Rob0729]

I guess we'll have to see what his role and responsibilities are. I would think BB and Caserio will have have more say on the draft and player personnel, and Lombardi is more of a consultant or dealing with contract negotiations.

Why is Mike Lombardi and his questionable NFL track record being brought in to the Patriots front office?

Holley is off base on many things. He talks about Lombardi's "failures" in Oakland, but he forgets that when Lombardi came to Oakland they were in a streak of seasons of 8-8 or less. He helped turn that team around in a very short time by adding free agents like Rich Gannon, Jerry Rice, and others and made that team one of the best teams in the NFL overnight. Without the Tuck Rule, they might have won the Super Bowl in 2001. They choked in the Super Bowl the next year in part because of an o-lineman who freaked out and left the team a few days before the game. It wasn't until Al Davis went insane and took over the team in an effort to get another Super Bowl ring before he died that that team fell apart with him meddling with head coaches game plans and running the War Room himself.

Also, whenever Holley brought up anything good an organization has done like trading Trent Richardson for a first rounder, he dismissed it as someone else's making the move (he credited Browns' then President Joe Banner for the trade). The funny thing is that the only time Lombardi has been a GM in his career was Cleveland. So Holley doesn't give him credit for the one big move as a GM he has done, but blames him for things where he wasn't the primary decision maker.

Lombardi isn't the best personnel guy out there for sure, but he isn't the disaster that some people are making him out to be. He has had a lot of success, but people only want to look at his failures.

He doesn't draft particularly well, but he seems to do well in free agency. I would focus him on contracts and the cap and free agency and not let him be as involved in the draft.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Wilson was a 3 round reach at a position that was known to be crap heading into the draft when much better options at positions of need that were known to have some promise in the draft were available.

Some Patriots needs, 2012:

DL
WR
LB

Picks at those positions following Wilson:

DL - Kendall Reyes, Jerel Worthy (suffered knee injury)
LB - Zach Brown, Lavonte David, Demario Davis
WR - Reuben Randle, Devier Posey, T.J. Graham, Mohamed Sanu, T.Y. Hilton


So, a quick look at the group above shows that picking chalk was likely to bring back a worthwhile player, instead of a stiff who played 18 snaps on defense. Wilson is the perfect poster boy for the suckage. Bequette is the perfect poster boy for someone who's got incriminating photos of the coach, but at least he was a later round bonus shot at an area that had some talent in that draft, and he was a double dip following C. Jones rather than being the only egg in the basket the way Wilson was.


To put it another way, Tavon Wilson is Jermaine Cunningham, while Bequette is just Brandon Tate.

Outside of the burning need to look completely ignorant....what exactly is the purpose of your constant posting?

1.) The only way to ever avoid a draft bust is to never draft anyone. Should they just stop?

You have never posted anything remotely intelligent...yet somehow you constantly continue. You are the poster child for constant failure is not a deterrence.

2.) The Patriots always have more picks than other teams and do better with UDFA's and the "scrapheap". Such success unfortunately does not translate into additional roster spots. By definition, this reality will always produce more "busts"...it's mathematical.

3.) The failure to win multiple Super Bowls these past three years is a matter of health...not Tavon Austin or Jake Bequette. Why this obvious reality can't be comprehended is a complete mystery. It's almost like you have a blind devotion to being stuck on stupid. If you can't understand the fundamental element of what happened...you have zero business torturing everyone with your "opinion".



4.) Listing a few stiffs and thinking it means something is bizarre. Only in coo koo land would anyone think they can extrapolate across multiple realities of teams, strategies, gameplans, and opponents and think they can draw conclusions.

 

[BrickPat]

The reach picks in rounds 2 and 3 will finally be challenged.

Admire your optimism but I wouldn't hold my breath on that...

 

[TonyTucker]

The Patriots have wasted a lot of draft capital. All of their wheeling and dealing is great, but not when they pick Dowling, Chung, Brace, Wilson, Bequette, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler, and all the other crap that's gone through here. I'm not really encouraged by all of their UDFA findings because that's what they are, UDFA's. Especially when they keep turning over the roster year in and year out.

Jake Bequette really is Milton from Office Space. They cut him last year but no one told him.

 

[PATS68]

3.) The failure to win multiple Super Bowls these past three years is a matter of health...not Tavon Austin or Jake Bequette. Why this obvious reality can't be comprehended is a complete mystery. It's almost like you have a blind devotion to being stuck on stupid. If you can't understand the fundamental element of what happened...you have zero business torturing everyone with your "opinion".

How do you know that better impact players in the spots where these guys were drafted could of had a bigger impact on the team winning? Health is just one way to look at it, but draft failure on D is another. For example the Ras I Dowling failure cost the team the 33 pick in the draft then they had to traded for Talib which cost them another draft pick and Talib could demand a big contract on the open market. This is a direct result of drafting a bust.

 

[DocHoliday]

Look, there's another possibility here people aren't exploring.

This could be a favor to Lombardi to get him back out there in the NFL, and less a move to use his services.

 

[Joker]

as long as they aren't exhuming the corpse of Guy Lombardo I'm OK with this move...

 

[Tunescribe]

as long as they aren't exhuming the corpse of Guy Lombardo I'm OK with this move...

That man was a party animal.

 

[captain stone]

...and a 3rd rounder who has the same NFL career stat line as you and me, then we will have to just agree to disagree.

Sorry to continuing the hijack, but I gotta admit, that's a funny but true line right there.

 

[captain stone]

as long as they aren't exhuming the corpse of Guy Lombardo I'm OK with this move...

When I was a little kid in the late 60s/early 70s, my family would welcome the New Year by
watching Guy Lombardo & the Royal Canadians. We were allowed to eat in the living room,
which was a big deal for us then. Good times, good times...

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Jake Bequette really is Milton from Office Space. They cut him last year but no one told him.

Damn that caught me off guard

 

[Rob0729]

According to Shalise Manza Young in the Globe today, Lombardi consulted the Patriots on the draft for the years 2010-2012. Those for the most part were pretty good drafts. So it sounds like he was already a consultant for the Pats just in an unofficial manner. She said on Twitter that he is likely to go back to the role he already had with the Patriots during that time period just in an official capacity.

 

[TomPatriot]

According to Shalise Manza Young, Lombardi consulted the Patriots on the draft for the years 2010-2012. Those for the most part were pretty good drafts. So it sounds like he was already a consultant for the Pats just in an unofficial manner.

He evaluates talent well and that's the main reason he keeps getting jobs in the NFL. Too bad he gets jobs with loser franchises sporting their fossilized owners.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Are you talking about Mike Siletti from "rescue me"?

How the hell is he supposed to help the Patriots?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lombardi_(actor)

 

[mayoclinic]

Lombardi traveling with the Pats to the Combine:

Michael Lombardi with Pats at combine - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[Kontradiction]

Lombardi traveling with the Pats to the Combine:

Michael Lombardi with Pats at combine - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[Deus Irae]

Lombardi traveling with the Pats to the Combine:

Michael Lombardi with Pats at combine - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Time to make that Bequette for Gordon deal.

 

[borg]

Lombardi traveling with the Pats to the Combine:

Michael Lombardi with Pats at combine - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Maybe Lombardi can trade off a NE RB for a #1!!!

 

[patchick]

The Patriots have wasted a lot of draft capital.

Absolutely, tons of it. Of course, EVERY team wastes a huge amount of draft capital and always will, because the draft process is full of unknowns. If you actually tally it all up and compare to the rest of the league, the Pats are among the very best at wringing value from their picks.

The Pats' misses just stand out more because they make unconventional choices. People cut you a lot more slack for making the same mistakes they would have made, rather than new and original mistakes.

Back to Lombardi...he has always struck me as a smart guy who had Belichick's trust. And IMO building front-office depth has some of the same benefits as building depth on the roster.

 

[mayoclinic]

I think Lombardi is a smart guy who is a fairly good evaluator of talent. I think it can only be good to have his input. Glad to see that he'll be in Indy for the Combine.

As you say, EVERY team wastes a huge amount of draft capital and always will.

Absolutely, tons of it. Of course, EVERY team wastes a huge amount of draft capital and always will, because the draft process is full of unknowns. If you actually tally it all up and compare to the rest of the league, the Pats are among the very best at wringing value from their picks.

The Pats' misses just stand out more because they make unconventional choices. People cut you a lot more slack for making the same mistakes they would have made, rather than new and original mistakes.

Back to Lombardi...he has always struck me as a smart guy who had Belichick's trust. And IMO building front-office depth has some of the same benefits as building depth on the roster.