Danny Amendola - Cap Scenarios

[SalemPats]

He got targeted more than Amendola because Amendola was injured and it affected his ability to run all season long.

He was out for 4weeks and he's always injured. Look at his numbers he's a 60/600 guy throughout his career. With the Rams he got the targets. He is what he is, an average WR

 

[Brady6]

He got targeted more than Amendola because Amendola was injured and it affected his ability to run all season long.

He was actually targeted more often than Edelman every game that he played (except the New Orleans which he left early) in the first 11 games of the season.

Week 1 – Buffalo
Week 5 – Cincinnati
Week 7 – Miami
Week 9 – Pittsburg
Week 11 – Carolina

That looks to me like a player missed time due to an injury and then returned to his role as the primary receiving target until his underwhelming performance resulted in his being demoted from the starting lineup in week 12 at halftime.

 

[supafly]

He was actually targeted more often than Edelman every game that he played (except the New Orleans which he left early) in the first 11 games of the season.

Week 1 – Buffalo
Week 5 – Cincinnati
Week 7 – Miami
Week 9 – Pittsburg
Week 11 – Carolina

That looks to me like a player missed time due to an injury and then returned to his role as the primary receiving target until his underwhelming performance resulted in his being demoted from the starting lineup in week 12 at halftime.

I know you've continued to feel this way, but in order for him to have "regained and lost" the slot role vs Edelman, he'd have to have had a higher percentage of snaps played, and possibly even significantly higher.

That didn't happen to the best of my knowledge, as I think the snaps were spread out pretty evenly between the two. I haven't seen any scenarios where Danny Amendola received significantly more snaps than Julian Edelman once Amendola returned after his concussion, unless maybe it was for one gameplanning specific situation. It certainly wasn't anything on a consistent basis, and that is normally what happens when someone loses their spot and is replaced by another player. The snap percentages change pretty dramatically.

Amendola obviously had the upper hand, and lost it due to injury. I'm not convinced like you are that he "regained" it when he returned from his concussion, and then his play was poor so he lost it again, which is what you are suggesting.

 

[supafly]

Did you watch the games, there's a reason Edelman got targeted way more than Amendola, because he's a better route runner and better receiver.

"Did I watch the games?"

I'm not sure what that means? You are insinuating that I post here in the middle of February during the offseason with 12,000+ posts, yet I don't take the time to watch the actual games when they are played in the fall?

Just because you have a differing opinion doesn't mean that you're "right," or that someone you don't agree with doesn't watch the games. There's no reason for the sarcastic tone.

By the way, Bill Belichick would seem to disagree with you, seeing as how he targeted Amendola from the first day (Saturday) of the legal tampering period ahead of the start of free agency last year. That was before Welker even left. He chose to give one guy a 5/29 contract, and another guy a 1 year deal worth 715k. Who does it seem to you that Belichick felt was the better receiving option? Are you even serious right now?

The only reason Julian Edelman received 151 targets last year is because Amendola got hurt, and because Brady had absolutely no other reasonable receiving options whatsoever.

 

[supafly]

He was actually targeted more often than Edelman every game that he played (except the New Orleans which he left early) in the first 11 games of the season.

Week 1 – Buffalo
Week 5 – Cincinnati
Week 7 – Miami
Week 9 – Pittsburg
Week 11 – Carolina

That looks to me like a player missed time due to an injury and then returned to his role as the primary receiving target until his underwhelming performance resulted in his being demoted from the starting lineup in week 12 at halftime.

Wait? So you're suggesting that Danny Amendola was targeted MORE than Julian Edelman in the first 11 games, and then in the last 5 he somehow ended up with approximately 1/2 of Julian Edelman's total targets on the year? By this thinking, Edelman would have had to receive 100 extra targets in the last 5 games to make up such a difference.

Julian Edelman 151 targets on the year
Danny Amendola 83 targets on the year

How could Amendola possibly have had more targets in all of the games that they played in together, when he only missed 4 games all year? Even stranger, how could he then have ended up with only (approximately) 1/2 of the targets that Edelman received? That doesn't make much sense, does it?

Like I said, if you want to try and determine what player "lost" his starting job, and which player took that job from him, all you need to do is look at snap counts and percentage of offensive plays.

 

[JackBauer]

He was out for 4weeks and he's always injured. Look at his numbers he's a 60/600 guy throughout his career. With the Rams he got the targets. He is what he is, an average WR

Terrific. At least you can admit he was injured. That's progress.

 

[JackBauer]

He was actually targeted more often than Edelman every game that he played (except the New Orleans which he left early) in the first 11 games of the season.

Week 1 – Buffalo
Week 5 – Cincinnati
Week 7 – Miami
Week 9 – Pittsburg
Week 11 – Carolina

That looks to me like a player missed time due to an injury and then returned to his role as the primary receiving target until his underwhelming performance resulted in his being demoted from the starting lineup in week 12 at halftime.

I'm not playing this game with you. It should be immediately apparent to anyone with a set of eyes and a television set.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Regardless of how many times this thread is started Amendola isn't going anywhere and the only question is how much they are willing to give Edelman? imo they won't come close to the deal they offered Amendola and will probably go harder after Emmanuel Sanders than they do Edelman.

I like Edelman and I thought he had a great season and proved his value but believe Belichick will not go very high to keep him. I think the same is going to be the case for their other free agents as well, i think he will go low on all of them.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm not playing this game with you. It should be immediately apparent to anyone with a set of eyes and a television set.

I don't know, I have been re-thinking it and have come to the conclusion that the reason that Amendola never made a sharp cut or quick start and stop move after the first week is that he felt like he was underpaid and if the Patriots want that kind of effort then they need to double his salary. Either that or he believes that running in a straight line at the same pace on every route is the best way to lose coverage.


That said I think Belichick will sit him down and have a talk with him this offseason and tell him in no uncertain terms that they expect him to start making short hard cuts and quick start and stop moves and change of pace or he will be in some hot hot water.


Either way, i can't help but look forward to the next year of these threads, hopefully we will have the chance to revisit this every couple of days right into 2015, just as we have since last September. It's awesome.

 

[captain stone]

He was a better receiver than an injured DA. Not sure he is a better receiver than a non-injured DA.

Sadly, it appears that "non-injured" and "Danny Amendola" are mutually exclusive.

 

[supafly]

Sadly, it appears that "non-injured" and "Danny Amendola" are mutually exclusive.

While that unfortunately seems to be somewhat true, I think the same can be said for Edelman as well.

In a perfect world, I wouldn't mind seeing Edelman kept, with another addition as well. Unfortunately, this probably seems to have a lower percentage of happening, unless it's someone who costs less and is still a reasonable upgrade in some fashion. We all know those guys don't grow on trees though

 

[Brady6]

Wait? So you're suggesting that Danny Amendola was targeted MORE than Julian Edelman in the first 11 games, and then in the last 5 he somehow ended up with approximately 1/2 of Julian Edelman's total targets on the year? By this thinking, Edelman would have had to receive 100 extra targets in the last 5 games to make up such a difference.

Julian Edelman 151 targets on the year
Danny Amendola 83 targets on the year

How could Amendola possibly have had more targets in all of the games that they played in together, when he only missed 4 games all year? Even stranger, how could he then have ended up with only (approximately) 1/2 of the targets that Edelman received? That doesn't make much sense, does it?

Like I said, if you want to try and determine what player "lost" his starting job, and which player took that job from him, all you need to do is look at snap counts and percentage of offensive plays.

In week 1, 5, 8, 9, and 11 which were the only games in the first 11 weeks of the season that Amendola was on the field to start and end the football game he was targeted 40 times, in those same games Edelman was targeted 26 times.

The difference in the targets came from the fact that Edelman was targeted 52 times in the 5 games that Amendola either missed or left due to injury.

The snap count was impacted by the fact the team did not over work Amendola because of the groin injury, that I am not disputing but his opportunity in his first 5 games of the season was not impacted.

 

[Brady6]

Amendola missed four games and left one early with an injury. Looking at the eleven games during the regular season played by both Amendola and Edelman this is what it looks like.



•Amendola – 79 targets, 52 receptions, 633 yards, and 2 touchdowns

•Edelman – 99 targets, 68 receptions, 715 yards, and 6 touchdowns



Edelman was not receiving that much more opportunity than Amendola when you look at the games played together, in fact until the final three games of the season in which Edelman was targeted 41 times compared to Amendola who was targeted 20 times, Amendola was actually targeted more than Edelman in games played and finished together.

It is worth pointing out that Edelman was better but he was not significantly better and probably not enough to justify paying him as well as Amendola. Like I said in another thread I am not willing to say that Edelman is not worth $6M a season but I am willing to say that he is not worth that to a team that already has Amendola under contract.

 

[Brady6]

I'm not playing this game with you. It should be immediately apparent to anyone with a set of eyes and a television set.

It was apparent in the Bengals, Saints and Dolphins games that he was playing with an injury. Game 9 on I did not notice any significant limitation due to the groin injury compared to his play as a member of the Rams. He did not look slower and he ran the same routes with the same movements.

Can you be more specific with what you saw that you are suggesting I missed?