Danny Amendola - Cap Scenarios

[PatsWickedPissah]

The article isn't the problem for me Ian, it is the discussion that is going to follow it and 8 million more posts saying the exact same thing over and over and over and over----you get the idea.

I have complete respect for Miguel and his exceptional contributions to this site, and when it comes to accuracy he is excellent, however imo it won't change anything. I think Belichick knew what he was buying when he signed Amendola and he knows that he played with a serious injury all season and was a shadow of himself because of it. I think the chance of them parting ways with him is zero.

Ivan must have gone thru girlfriends like a bullet thru tissue paper.
First it was Welker, now Amendola!

Kidding aside, given that the guy played super hurt all season I really doubt BB cuts ties, no matter how far he fell short of some of our expectations. He was healthy in the opener so if that's an indication of his skills, I'm good.

 

[Brady6]

Ivan must have gone thru girlfriends like a bullet thru tissue paper.
First it was Welker, now Amendola!

Kidding aside, given that the guy played super hurt all season I really doubt BB cuts ties, no matter how far he fell short of some of our expectations. He was healthy in the opener so if that's an indication of his skills, I'm good.

The connection Ivan has with our slot WRs is Shakespearean…. I have been trying to spin my Hernandez gangster remake of Hamlet for months so I shouldn’t judge:

Aaron Hernandez = Hamlet
Terri Hernandez = Gertrude
Jeffrey Cummings = Claudius
Shayanna Jenkins = Ophelia
Ernest Wallace = Horatio
Dennis Hernandez = The Ghost
Carlos Ortiz = Laertes
Tanya Singleton = Polonius
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern = Mike and Maurkice Pouncey

Once we draft a Fortinbras I will be ready for production let me know if you have any interest…

Back to Amendola >>

I would suggest everyone consider that Amendola very well could have lost permanent lateral movement, agility, explosiveness or speed from the groin injury. Look at Ras-I Dowling he was what 22 years old and suffered a week 2 hip injury as a rookie and he was never the same player that we saw prior in terms of lateral movements, etc. NFL players are the best in the business the loss of less than 1% of ability can be the difference between having an NFL career and not having one, especially when you consider Amendola was a UDFA to begin with so we’re not talking about a first round talent who is just oozing with athletic ability or elite size.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I personally would kill to read your Shakespearian treatment of The Prisoner here. PM me when you post it so I can read it quickly before you join Miguel in being banned.

 

[Efstratios]

The connection Ivan has with our slot WRs is Shakespearean…. I have been trying to spin my Hernandez gangster remake of Hamlet for months so I shouldn’t judge:

Aaron Hernandez = Hamlet
Terri Hernandez = Gertrude
Jeffrey Cummings = Claudius
Shayanna Jenkins = Ophelia
Ernest Wallace = Horatio
Dennis Hernandez = The Ghost
Carlos Ortiz = Laertes
Tanya Singleton = Polonius
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern = Mike and Maurkice Pouncey

Once we draft a Fortinbras I will be ready for production let me know if you have any interest…

Back to Amendola >>

I would suggest everyone consider that Amendola very well could have lost permanent lateral movement, agility, explosiveness or speed from the groin injury. Look at Ras-I Dowling he was what 22 years old and suffered a week 2 hip injury as a rookie and he was never the same player that we saw prior in terms of lateral movements, etc. NFL players are the best in the business the loss of less than 1% of ability can be the difference between having an NFL career and not having one, especially when you consider Amendola was a UDFA to begin with so we’re not talking about a first round talent who is just oozing with athletic ability or elite size.

"To cap or not to cap Odin Lloyd. That is the question."

Do it man, I too would like to read it.

 

[Brady6]

"To cap or not to cap Odin Lloyd. That is the question."

Do it man, I too would like to read it.

I personally would kill to read your Shakespearian treatment of The Prisoner here. PM me when you post it so I can read it quickly before you join Miguel in being banned.

I am not sure if you guys have ever watched the show Sons of Anarchy but the creator of that show Kurt Sutter based that show loosely on an interpretation of Hamlet.

 

[Efstratios]

I am not sure if you guys have ever watched the show Sons of Anarchy but the creator of that show Kurt Sutter based that show loosely on an interpretation of Hamlet.

I have not yet, I'll add it to my list of shows to watch, hich currently comprises of: The Wire, Six Feet Under, The Shield, The Sopranos, and Arrested Development.

As far as gangster remakes of classic literature, I actually saw a gangster remake of The Great Gatsby in 11th grade, that was simply titled "G". It was atrocious, but if you are bored and have 97 minutes to spare, I might give it a shot. It's not quite so bad it's good, but it's close.

 

[SalemPats]

I have not yet, I'll add it to my list of shows to watch, hich currently comprises of: The Wire, Six Feet Under, The Shield, The Sopranos, and Arrested Development.

As far as gangster remakes of classic literature, I actually saw a gangster remake of The Great Gatsby in 11th grade, that was simply titled "G". It was atrocious, but if you are bored and have 97 minutes to spare, I might give it a shot. It's not quite so bad it's good, but it's close.

Can we go back to DA sucks or DA is going to be awesome :singing:

 

[supafly]

I have not yet, I'll add it to my list of shows to watch, hich currently comprises of: The Wire, Six Feet Under, The Shield, The Sopranos, and Arrested Development.

As far as gangster remakes of classic literature, I actually saw a gangster remake of The Great Gatsby in 11th grade, that was simply titled "G". It was atrocious, but if you are bored and have 97 minutes to spare, I might give it a shot. It's not quite so bad it's good, but it's close.

Not meaning to take the thread off topic too far, but since you brought it up, you have some excellent shows on that list.

Obviously the Sopranos is extremely high quality from start to finish. I still have the Wire on my list as well, and haven't been able to get around to it.

Six feet under was tremendous too. I actually cried like a little baby during the incredible last minute or so of the final episode. It was very well written, and had great acting. Freaking excellent show all around, man.

You can download the "HBO to go" app to your iphone or ipad and watch any episode start to finish for free if you pay for HBO through your cable provider. It will simply ask you to choose your provider from a drop down list when you register with the app. I actually bought a 50 dollar cable at the apple store to connect my iphone to the HDMI outlet of the television, so I'm able to watch all content that way, including the Sunday Ticket app for Patriots games.

 

[Efstratios]

Can we go back to DA sucks or DA is going to be awesome :singing:

We could, but I'm certain that within a week, we'll get about 4 new topics regarding the Danny Dilemma. It's not everyday that this board discusses gangsta remakes of classic literature, however.

 

[Brady6]

I have not yet, I'll add it to my list of shows to watch, hich currently comprises of: The Wire, Six Feet Under, The Shield, The Sopranos, and Arrested Development.

As far as gangster remakes of classic literature, I actually saw a gangster remake of The Great Gatsby in 11th grade, that was simply titled "G". It was atrocious, but if you are bored and have 97 minutes to spare, I might give it a shot. It's not quite so bad it's good, but it's close.

Kurt Sutter was actually a writer on the shield, which was an outstanding show as well.

I will check out G next time I have a long layover.

Not meaning to take the thread off topic too far, but since you brought it up, you have some excellent shows on that list.

Obviously the Sopranos is extremely high quality from start to finish. I still have the Wire on my list as well, and haven't been able to get around to it.

Six feet under was tremendous too. I actually cried like a little baby during the incredible last minute or so of the final episode. It was very well written, and had great acting. Freaking excellent show all around, man.

You can download the "HBO to go" app to your iphone or ipad and watch any episode start to finish for free if you pay for HBO through your cable provider. It will simply ask you to choose your provider from a drop down list when you register with the app. I actually bought a 50 dollar cable at the apple store to connect my iphone to the HDMI outlet of the television, so I'm able to watch all content that way, including the Sunday Ticket app for Patriots games.

Sopranos was an all-time great show for sure, I will have to check out the wire and 6 feet under. I noticed the other day that Comcast added all the HBO series from start-to-finish onto their On-Demand section, I used that HBO-to-Go app in the past and it worked great too. Check out the show OZ if you haven’t already that is another really good HBO show that was around a little before the Sopranos and during it.

 

[Brady6]

I have a question for someone who understands the cap. I was playing with the over the cap calculator on the internet and selected restructure for Amendola, this dropped his 2014 cap # to $2,591,250. Is this something the team could do or does it add guaranteed money for 2015?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I'd be very interested in option 2 if that brings his subsequent cap hits to 0. It says it will be 0 in 2015 but what about beyond, wasn't it a 5 year contract?

If we make the moves suggested in the other thread (cut Wilfork/Sopoaga/Gregory, restructure Mankins, and extend Ghost/DMC) it looked like we could free up about $20M which makes it entirely possible to give Edelman an extension, even if this move costs us about a million in cap space this year. While Edelman is an injury risk, he has at least proven to last a full season and in 2009/2010/2011 he was at least healthy at the right time, and actually came up very big for us in the 2009 and 2010 playoff games. Amendola was a mistake, I would gladly bite the bullet for this year and use his money elsewhere in upcoming offseasons if I'm BB.

Then again, my faith in Aaron Dobson as option #3 and KT as option #4/5 (depending on the use of Vereen in the passing game and/or a Tony Gonzalez type acquisition) may be higher than some.

 

[50-yard-line]

The article isn't the problem for me Ian, it is the discussion that is going to follow it and 8 million more posts saying the exact same thing over and over and over and over----you get the idea.

I have complete respect for Miguel and his exceptional contributions to this site, and when it comes to accuracy he is excellent, however imo it won't change anything. I think Belichick knew what he was buying when he signed Amendola and he knows that he played with a serious injury all season and was a shadow of himself because of it. I think the chance of them parting ways with him is zero.

This time of year, everyone wants to find ways to pinch pennies...wanting to be way under the cap so [insert superhero here] can be magically added to the team. Cut Tommy Kelly - even if he's healthy - because you save enough to...what?

Cut DA!!!!! In any of the situations Miguel lists, cutting DA means the Pats eat at least 4.8 million total through some mix of 2014 and 2015. That's an average of 2.4 million LESS each year they have to stock the team.

For a guy who pro-rated out on par with JE, plays through pain, is by all accounts a great locker room presence, is a good blocker at his position, works his ass off, and was still just about as productive per snap as JE this year.

Lloyd was cut because of behind-the-scenes issues and the most ridiculously low YAC I've ever seen...and even then, they tried to bring him back after their receiver corps took some hits in pre-season. And the Lloyd cut didn't kill 4.8 million.

I'd be very interested in option 2 if that brings his subsequent cap hits to 0. It says it will be 0 in 2015 but what about beyond, wasn't it a 5 year contract?

The only thing Option 2 does is slip the 3.6 million cap hit from 2015 back into 2014, which means it would be CHEAPER to keep Amendola this year against the cap than to exercise Option 2.

I simply don't get this kind of thinking - these are the kinds of discussion for teams that are cap-strapped and in trouble (Pittsburgh, Dallas). The Pats certainly are not. They're carrying money into next year and they've got several easy cuts (Sopoaga), cut/restructures (Connolly), or restructures (Wilfork) they can swing to free up cap space running near to 20 million. A team that went to the AFCCG with, arguably, only 2 important free agents, no important retirements, and several pro-bowlers hopefully coming back from injury (they had more than 25 million on IR last year) is a team in really great shape.

 

[fnordcircle]

I am not sure if you guys have ever watched the show Sons of Anarchy but the creator of that show Kurt Sutter based that show loosely on an interpretation of Hamlet.

Holding back so much TV snobbery right now.

But if I wasn't I'd go into a tirade about how SoA is a **** show with no ability to keep itself grounded and I literally wouldn't be surprised if next season the bikers are fighting russians in outer space the show suffers from so much over the top plot expansion. Sutter is a maniac and they should have ended it in season 3 when it was still sort of a reasonable show.

But I won't do that, because I'm classy.

 

[50-yard-line]

Holding back so much TV snobbery right now.

But if I wasn't I'd go into a tirade about how SoA is a **** show with no ability to keep itself grounded and I literally wouldn't be surprised if next season the bikers are fighting russians in outer space the show suffers from so much over the top plot expansion. Sutter is a maniac and they should have ended it in season 3 when it was still sort of a reasonable show.

But I won't do that, because I'm classy.

It's got some good writing and some good acting (and some not-so-good acting...seriously, enough with the Jax pouty-face already!), but over the last couple of seasons has relied on red herrings/unexpected season-ending shockers to maintain its power.

I like the show and will watch the next season, but it doesn't have the character development and depth of The Sopranos, certainly, or Breaking Bad.

Can't believe no one's mentioned Breaking Bad - Brian Cranston is unbelievably good in that show because his descent isn't unbelievable. Everything is "justified" in Walt's thinking...

That show rivals Sopranos for me in the best-ever category. Rome could've been a contender, except they cut it after two seasons.

 

[hwc]

Cut DA!!!!! In any of the situations Miguel lists, cutting DA means the Pats eat at least 4.8 million total through some mix of 2014 and 2015. That's an average of 2.4 million LESS each year they have to stock the team.

For a guy who pro-rated out on par with JE, plays through pain, is by all accounts a great locker room presence, is a good blocker at his position, works his ass off, and was still just about as productive per snap as JE this year.

Bingo.

I can't imagine that cutting Amendola is even under consideration in Foxboro. It makes no sense to cut a quality WR at the worst possible time (2nd year of a free agent contract) when one of the team's most glaring weaknesses is a lack of quality veteran receivers...

 

[Brady6]

Holding back so much TV snobbery right now.

But if I wasn't I'd go into a tirade about how SoA is a **** show with no ability to keep itself grounded and I literally wouldn't be surprised if next season the bikers are fighting russians in outer space the show suffers from so much over the top plot expansion. Sutter is a maniac and they should have ended it in season 3 when it was still sort of a reasonable show.

But I won't do that, because I'm classy.

I actually agree with that, I like the show from a mythology perspective but Sutter has pushed it from the realm of reality with his insistence on including such unnecessary acts of violence. I think in large part he is trying spreading a 3-4 season show out over 7 seasons and it forces him to fill it with ridiculousness.

 

[Brady6]

It's got some good writing and some good acting (and some not-so-good acting...seriously, enough with the Jax pouty-face already!), but over the last couple of seasons has relied on red herrings/unexpected season-ending shockers to maintain its power.

I like the show and will watch the next season, but it doesn't have the character development and depth of The Sopranos, certainly, or Breaking Bad.

Can't believe no one's mentioned Breaking Bad - Brian Cranston is unbelievably good in that show because his descent isn't unbelievable. Everything is "justified" in Walt's thinking...

That show rivals Sopranos for me in the best-ever category. Rome could've been a contender, except they cut it after two seasons.

I agree the thing about Jax is Sutter pushed him too far, he is not an anti-hero anymore he is a villain. Sutter tried to give him back the anti-hero in the season 6 final but honestly, I do not think it was sufficient. My thought is Jax will die basically the same way his father died by being uncertain of himself and question every decision and move he makes, which is basically a stupid circle of life ending.

 

[stinkypete]

It seems to me that cutting Amendola to re-sign Edelman nets a cap savings of approximately zero. Is the argument that Edelman is significantly better than Amendola? I did not see proof of that.

So then, what's the point? Consider the gamble of cutting Amendola only to see Houston or Detroit or Indy drop a $6-$7 million offer on him. That leaves the team with $5 million spending money and Austin Collie as your only veteran WR on the squad. Is there a free agent that we know of who is going to step in immediately and work with this offense? We know that a gimpy Amendola can catch 60 balls in 12 games in this offense. Do we know that Emmanuel Sanders or James Jones can do the same?

 

[SalemPats]

We might have to cut Amendola if we re-sign Edelman.

We can all agree that Edelman is much better than Amendola. Amendola is not good enough to play as an outside receiver. He'll be our 4th outlet at best behind Gronk, Edelman, Vereen and perhaps a FA or Dobson.