Is Caldwell done?

[pats1]

I already explained time and time again that the future hall of famers Manning and Brady cannot be compared to Caldwell and Gaffney.

I'm not comparing Manning or Brady to Caldwell or Gaffney.

I'm comparing Manning to Brady and Caldwell to Gaffney.

 

[Keegs]

If you are going to consistently talk about huge drops, why won't you talk about Brady's bonehead interceptions on our two playoff losses. I would never want to bench or cut Brady, but his mistakes were far more costly than Caldwell's. In fact, neither of Caldwell's drops ended the drive or the game.

What about Troy Brown's bonehead pass interference on a play that got us a crucial first down? Or how about Bruschi getting burnt by Dallas Clark on a couple of big plays. Or Vrabel for that matter? It wasn't just Eric Alexander who got smoked by Dallas Clark in that game. How about the Pats defense allowing Joseph Addai to walk into the endzone barely touched on the Colts' last scoring drive?

We gave up 31 points in the second half and you are laying the blame of that game on Caldwell's feet as if he was the only one who blew plays. In fact, his blown plays were relatively minor to other ones. If Caldwell caught those two balls, there was still a very good chance the outcome of the game would have been the same. We scored on one of the drives anyway. So that dropped ball was irrelevant. The other one was not a guaranteed TD.

i've gone over this a record 47 times in this thread.

Brady is a proven winner...

Read the damn thread and you'll get your answer.

Either read it or get off the bandwagon.

 

[Keegs]

I'm not comparing Manning or Brady to Caldwell or Gaffney.

I'm comparing Manning to Brady and Caldwell to Gaffney.

well then it's more pointless than i thought.....

Manning and Brady have nothing to do with it.

Caldwell and Gaffney are the receivers with something to prove. And as of now, Gaffney has proven without a doubt that he is a better playoff performer than Caldwell.

(note: this isn't about the regular season)

 

[pats1]

Let's keep in mind 2 of Gaffney's 3 catches came on one drive in the 3rd quarter of the Colts game. His other came a few minutes later - a 14-yard strike that followed up nothing other than a 16-yard strike to Donald Reche Caldwell.

Let me say this:

The New England Patriots aren't going to start Jabar Gaffney over Reche Caldwell in the 2007 NFL season because he had 3 catches more than Caldwell in two playoff games.

And if it comes to it (which I don't think it will), the New England Patriots aren't going to keep Jabar Gaffney on the roster in the 2007 NFL season just for he can average 1 catch a game all season long. They will not keep him on the roster just because he had more catches than Reche Caldwell the past postseason. He is not a better receiver because he had more catches than Reche Caldwell the post postseason. Just because he had more catches than Reche Caldwell last postseason doesn't mean he is going to be a better postseason receiver than Reche Caldwell in any other postseason other than January 2007. Just because Reche Caldwell dropped a pass in a postseason game doesn't mean is an unreliable postseason receiver.

Think the BIG picture.

 

[Rob0729]

i've gone over this a record 47 times in this thread.

Brady is a proven winner...

Read the damn thread and you'll get your answer.

Either read it or get off the bandwagon.

Sorry, you post so much jibberish that I must have missed it.

Bandwagon? I've been a fan since the mid 1980s. You are the one acting like a bandwagoner. Real fans don't look at two bad plays and write off a player. They look at the entire body of work and Caldwell's last year was pretty good considering the circumstances.

You are acting like an WEEI caller. One bad performance and you want a guy cut or traded. That is why listening to that station during the summer is insufferable since those fans want to dump Red Sox players after one bad game (in a 162 game season). That is what you are doing.

 

[pats1]

well then it's more pointless than i thought.....

Manning and Brady have nothing to do with it.

You're ignoring your "logic" applied to another situation while exaggerating your own. Brilliant job Keegs, brilliant job.

Caldwell and Gaffney are the receivers with something to prove. And as of now, Gaffney has proven without a doubt that he is a better playoff performer than Caldwell.

Great. I guess Dillon's performance in the playoffs last season compared to Maroney's means that in 2007 and every season thereafter, Dillon (or his historical statistical equivalent, as he might not be around much longer) will outperform Maroney in the vast majority of playoff games Maroney plays in.

In other words, Gaffney having a few more catches than Caldwell last postseason is going to have no bearing on how many the two have this postseason.

(note: this isn't about the regular season)

You mean those 16 games that decide whether a team actually gets to play in the postseason?

How convenient of you to leave that out.

Again, your credibility can't get much lower whenever you try to qualify your arguments with "ignore this" or "ignore that."

 

[Kdo5]

I've already addressed all of this in previous posts.. Either read the thread or get off the bandwagon.

Caldwell started 14 games, Gaffney only 6. That explains the difference in regular season numbers. Which i don't know why i'm even saying this since my argument is based off of the playoffs and doesn't have a damn thing to do w/ the regular season.

Also, Drop balls are DEFINITELY chokes. 2 easy catches that were dropped.


ok for the 27th time...... Brady can't be considered a choker in the way that Reche has.. Brady has won 3 rings. 2 superbowl mvps, over 20 game winning drives. Countless clutch plays....

Reche has crap. One catch in San Diego that was b/c of a PERFECT ball thrown by Brady. Bethel johnson would have caught it and had the decency to stay inbounds.

How many times does it take to drive it into your thick skull. Gaffney was with us ever since Week 7. He had a long time to get a starting role especially with just Troy and CJ in his way of it.

 

[Kdo5]

More garbage stats from the King of Worthless Information.
How many times do i have to stress that i am talking about the playoffs?

Quit posting regular season stats.:singing:

So gaffney was "inconsistently mediocre" (doesn't fit, but whatever) in the Colts game?
Caldwell had 4 catches for 46 yards and 2 huge drops.
Gaffney had 3 catches for 37 yards and a touchdown.
Gaffney had the better game there, when it mattered most.

Are you getting tired of this yet?


And Gaffney's playoff performances were superior to Reche's. I posted that information earlier.

Do you really like Caldwell that much?

or do you just hate the fact that i'm right?

16 games shows a lot more than 3 games you fool.

 

[Keegs]

Sorry, you post so much jibberish that I must have missed it.

Bandwagon? I've been a fan since the mid 1980s. You are the one acting like a bandwagoner. Real fans don't look at two bad plays and write off a player. They look at the entire body of work and Caldwell's last year was pretty good considering the circumstances.

You are acting like an WEEI caller. One bad performance and you want a guy cut or traded. That is why listening to that station during the summer is insufferable since those fans want to dump Red Sox players after one bad game (in a 162 game season). That is what you are doing.

Ok you misunderstood me.
I meant get off the "Reche Caldwell is the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice" Bandwagon. I'm not saying you are a bandwagon fan.

but i will say that the entire post is crap.

 

[salty]

This thread is crazy. Who would believe that Reche Caldwell could inflame such passion?

Anyway, I think we're just going in circles now (or have been for the last 30 pages, really.) So I'm out of the thread.

Let me just make my prediction known that Reche Caldwell will not start more than 3 games next year. No, I don't think he will be cut. But I think that by mid-season he will be 4th or 5th on the depth chart.

Anyone else care to weigh in with some final, thread-ending (hopefully???) predictions?

 

[Keegs]

I am done for the day on here.

But just so i can explain my point again.

I'm not saying Reche should be cut or traded.

What i'm saying is that Gaffney peforms better than Caldwell in big games (playoff games).

Gaffney is more reliable in big games than Caldwell and there are stats to prove it. Even if you omit Reche crapping his pants twice Gaffney STILL had a better postseason and is still more reliable in clutch situations.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CANNOT DISPROVE.

have a good day. Enjoy the circle.

 

[pats1]

Ok you misunderstood me.
I meant get off the "Reche Caldwell is the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice" Bandwagon.

Wake up and get off whatever you are on. Pay attention.

NOBODY has said anything even REMOTELY close to that.

Reche Caldwell is a head-and-shoulders better option than Jabar Gaffney as the #2 WR for the New England Patriots in 2007. Suggesting otherwise is the radical opinion.

I'm not saying you are a bandwagon fan.

but i will say that the entire post is crap.

Great job, Keegs, great job.

 

[pats1]

This thread is crazy. Who would believe that Reche Caldwell could inflame such passion?

Anyway, I think we're just going in circles now (or have been for the last 30 pages, really.) So I'm out of the thread.

Let me just make my prediction known that Reche Caldwell will not start more than 3 games next year. No, I don't think he will be cut. But I think that by mid-season he will be 4th or 5th on the depth chart.

Anyone else care to weigh in with some final, thread-ending (hopefully???) predictions?

I don't find any glamor or superiority in making radical, baseless opinions. Especially those based off clear personal vendettas for unknown reasons.

Salty, you need to finally turn your calendar page off March 2006. The whole "Reche Caldwell is a JAG" ship has since sailed. Your arguments would have been somewhat valid and somewhat mainstream then, but using the same a year later is to ignore a full season worth of data.

 

[pats1]

I am done for the day on here.

But just so i can explain my point again.

I'm not saying Reche should be cut or traded.

What i'm saying is that Gaffney peforms better than Caldwell in big games (playoff games).

You are making an entirely generalized statement.

Gaffney is more reliable in big games than Caldwell and there are stats to prove it. Even if you omit Reche crapping his pants twice Gaffney STILL had a better postseason and is still more reliable in clutch situations.

The automatic connection you are making between the two (Gaffney having better stats against the Jets and Chargers than Caldwell ----> Gaffney is a more reliable/clutch receiver) is foolishly naive and ignorant.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CANNOT DISPROVE.

have a good day. Enjoy the circle.

And trying to project the above as dogmatic makes you look even more ignorant.

 

[pats1]

As far as putting this thread to rest, I couldn't agree more.

I took a break this week from breaking down some Morris/Welker tape for this thread. I wanted to get that breakdown posted by yesterday, but obviously that didn't happen because of this...distraction. It's time to get back to work.

 

[Keegs]

The automatic connection you are making between the two (Gaffney having better stats against the Jets and Chargers than Caldwell ----> Gaffney is a more reliable/clutch receiver) is foolishly naive and ignorant.
.

Gaffney is more reliable. He showed it in the playoffs.. What part of that don't you understand?

Gaffney played better than Caldwell in every single playoff game this past season.

You claim Caldwell played better in Indy. He had 1 more catch and 9 more yards than Gaffney. But Caldwell had those 2 horrific drops. Everyone knows Gaffney played better that game, as he did for all their playoff games.

You are trying your best to manipulate the facts and make it appear that Caldwell outperformed Gaffney in Indy b/c of 1 more catch and 9 more yards and that simply is not true.

Why can't you just admit that Gaffney is a better receiver when it matters the most? (playoff time)

I think the main problem here is that you cannot stand me being right, and you being wrong.:singing:

You dug yourself in a hole trying to Defend Reche and now you are doing whatever you can but the whole is just getting deeper. You put up a great effort but the facts speak for themselves.

(hmmm what will be your next pathetic response......ohh lemme guess... itll be the "keegs has always been a moron" argument.. well, im waiting )

 

[Keegs]

As far as putting this thread to rest, I couldn't agree more.

I took a break this week from breaking down some Morris/Welker tape for this thread. I wanted to get that breakdown posted by yesterday, but obviously that didn't happen because of this...distraction. It's time to get back to work.

no one forced you to keep typing in Reche's irrelevant regular season stats over and over.

Watch your tape and just deal with me being right on this one. I am.

 

[Rob0729]

Sorry to keep this train wreck going, but just for the record. Mike Reiss seems to think Gaffney's job is in bigger jepordy than Caldwell. Not that Reiss is the be all, end all of all things Patriots or he is going on insider info. But he does probably have a general feel of what Belichick feels about players than we all do.

From his chat:

patfan__Guest_ :With the recent signing of Stallworth, should Gaffney or Caldwell be worried?

Mike_Reiss: I look at the receiving corps and see Stallworth and Welker as locks to make the roster, assuming there are no unexpected off-field speed bumps for Stallworth. Then I see Jackson on PUP to start training camp. So then I have what are likely three more spots and Caldwell, Gaffney, Kelvin Kight, Bam Childress and Jonathan Smith vying for them. And perhaps Troy Brown in that mix. Right now, I'd say that both Caldwell and Gaffney would be safe based on that group. If I had to pick one who was in more jeopardy than the other, it would be Gaffney.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/12/mike_reiss_patriots_chat/

 

[shmessy]

Sorry to keep this train wreck going, but just for the record. Mike Reiss seems to think Gaffney's job is in bigger jepordy than Caldwell. Not that Reiss is the be all, end all of all things Patriots or he is going on insider info. But he does probably have a general feel of what Belichick feels about players than we all do.

From his chat:

patfan__Guest_ :With the recent signing of Stallworth, should Gaffney or Caldwell be worried?

Mike_Reiss: I look at the receiving corps and see Stallworth and Welker as locks to make the roster, assuming there are no unexpected off-field speed bumps for Stallworth. Then I see Jackson on PUP to start training camp. So then I have what are likely three more spots and Caldwell, Gaffney, Kelvin Kight, Bam Childress and Jonathan Smith vying for them. And perhaps Troy Brown in that mix. Right now, I'd say that both Caldwell and Gaffney would be safe based on that group. If I had to pick one who was in more jeopardy than the other, it would be Gaffney.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/12/mike_reiss_patriots_chat/

.....yeah, but Keegs watched three games last year where Gaffney had better stats than Caldwell.

 

[Keegs]

.....yeah, but Keegs watched three games last year where Gaffney had better stats than Caldwell.

you make it sound like my argument was about the regular season.
All i have ever talked about in this thread were playoff peformances.

And Gaffney's playoff performances are superior to Reche's.
That is a fact.

Regular season has nothing to do with this.