I'll admit i was wrong - Amendola didn't work

[Sciz]

This guy has injured every part of his body over his career. You might not like Brady6, but he's right on Amendola. Give it up and be thankful we have Julian Edelman

Thankful the Pats have Julian Edelman, who in his NFL career has suffered...
Blown adductor (hip)
Broken arm
Broken foot (and a re-break after a pin was put in)
Four hernias

 

[Huckleberry1]

And from the quote by Doc Holiday of Brady6 responding to me even though he knows I have him on ignore I guess i win the 20$, who wants to pay up?


You know, I did as I was asked when PatsNutME told me he was ordering both Brady6 and I to put each other on ignore but unfortunately Brady6 refused to honor that and continued quoting me and arguing with me even though he knew I had him on ignore and had been told not to do so with by a moderator. I have a great deal of empathy for people who clearly have mental and or emotional problems so i really don't want to pick on someone when I know that they are suffering from those conditions, so i will try to keep Brady6 on ignore. We'll see?



Hey,

We want you guys to put each other on ignore. This is not optional.

If you don't, neither of you could be around for the end of the season. We are tired of getting complaints.

Please don't respond to this PM. Just do it.

Thanks,

Nut

 

[Brady6]

Thankful the Pats have Julian Edelman, who in his NFL career has suffered...

Blown adductor (hip)

Broken arm

Broken foot (and a re-break after a pin was put in)

Four hernias

He also had a 100 reception, 1000 yard season and we don't have him on the books for $31 million.

When you pay for a Kia it's a lot more acceptable for it to breakdown than when you pay for a Bentley.

 

[Brady6]

That's a lie nobody ever told me to put you on ignore Ivan and that was confirmed by the moderators when you made that false accusation previously.

The reason I was not told to ignore you is because I can discuss something without becoming insulting, childish and making it personal. Stop lying in your attempts to disparage me.

I never received the any such PM and my history was reviewed and that was confirmed. I am going to ignore you though because I want too be rid of the lies and irrational posts once and for all, have a good day!

 

[manxman2601]

None of those guys had an injury history comparable to Amendola. I just don't see how you can defend them counting on Danny to be their #1 WR coming into the season.

Would you have counted on Edelman considering his injury plagued career. And yet one injury free season with Brady nets him the 100/1000 season he got this year. There's no reason to think that Amendola can't do the same with an injury free year.

 

[jah]

I don't care if Amendola isn't 100%. The reason the signing didn't work out is because he's never 100%.

 

[JMarr]

Would you have counted on Edelman considering his injury plagued career. And yet one injury free season with Brady nets him the 100/1000 season he got this year. There's no reason to think that Amendola can't do the same with an injury free year.

I think there are reasons to think DA will never be the player Edelman turned into, even when healthy. But I do agree that this whole argument is pointless in some ways b/c no one knows how badly DA was injured, nor whether he will ever shake the injury bug. I will say that he looked awesome (and like a better version of Welker) in the Buffalo game so I guess there's hope that that is the player we will have going forward.

 

[Brady6]

I find it fascinating that the pro Amendola crowd berate and personalize the discussion between those who don't share the same opinion and myself and others who are just trying to assess Amendola objectively and realistically provide tangible, data and other resources to support our positions.

All I want to hear is a logical explanation to support Amendola going from a 0 reception receiver yesterday to what will have me eating crow in 2014.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think there are reasons to think DA will never be the player Edelman turned into, even when healthy. But I do agree that this whole argument is pointless in some ways b/c no one knows how badly DA was injured, nor whether he will ever shake the injury bug. I will say that he looked awesome (and like a better version of Welker) in the Buffalo game so I guess there's hope that that is the player we will have going forward.

Exactly. The "release Amendola" threads and posts are nothing more than mental masturbation from the fantasy football crowd who don't realize that it is not an option (as opposed to the more intelligent fantasy players who actually understand that there is such a thing as real football.


What has been really comical about this for me is that I have been consistently accused of ballwashing Amendola as someone who believed that Amendola would just step in and replace Welker, when everyone who paid attention knows that I was too busy washing Welker's balls to have ever made such an argument. I could have easily used Amendola's struggles this season to crow about that but I actually am not that stupid---really I'm not. The Patriots made their decision to move on from Welker and believed that Amendola was the best option for them because they knew Brady needed a really good slot receiver, they were lucky that Edelman wasn't signed and they got him back because if they hadn't they would have been completely screwed given Amendola's injury. props to him for playing through it, it must have been a b.tch to play with. Next season will tell us whether or not signing Amendola was the right decsion, one cannot be made on this season because of his injury. hopefully he plays like the guy they thought he was when they signed, i'm betting he will, but if not then the real discussion about releasing him will become relevant.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't care if Amendola isn't 100%. The reason the signing didn't work out is because he's never 100%.

Then I am sure you won't mind showing us your posts from when they signed him arguing against the signing. Or your posts telling us they should re-sign Welker, or your posts saying they should sign neither and sign Edelman long term instead. Any of them will do, just show us where you stood when it happened.


Unless of course you never objected when they signed him and are now just trying to make yourself look semi-intelligent. But you wouldn't do that now, would you?

 

[Huckleberry1]

None of those guys had an injury history comparable to Amendola. I just don't see how you can defend them counting on Danny to be their #1 WR coming into the season.

I don't think I have ever made that argument JMarr, in fact I was front and center arguing to re-sign Welker, and I consistently argued for them to take a receiver in the first, unfortunately the ones I wanted were already gone and only Hopkins came close to being there for them. I was happy they double dipped in the draft and think Dobson is going to end up being a really good player for them, but at that time i still thought they had The Prisoner and although i did think they left themselves shorthanded there really never was any opportunity for them to go get a "number 1" receiver as I didn't like Wallace and thought the price for Harvin was absurd. I would really like them to look hard at WR high in this draft and use a first if the right one is there, although a really good TE in the first and another really good WR prospect either at #33 (Houston for Mallett) or in the second) is fine with me. i think Brady needs the same kind of weapons Manning has, and with Luck continuing to get better they are going to need to be able to keep up to win the AFC next season.


Re-sign Edelman and WR and TE are still priorities imo.

 

[JMarr]

I don't think I have ever made that argument JMarr, in fact I was front and center arguing to re-sign Welker, and I consistently argued for them to take a receiver in the first, unfortunately the ones I wanted were already gone and only Hopkins came close to being there for them. I was happy they double dipped in the draft and think Dobson is going to end up being a really good player for them, but at that time i still thought they had The Prisoner and although i did think they left themselves shorthanded there really never was any opportunity for them to go get a "number 1" receiver as I didn't like Wallace and thought the price for Harvin was absurd. I would really like them to look hard at WR high in this draft and use a first if the right one is there, although a really good TE in the first and another really good WR prospect either at #33 (Houston for Mallett) or in the second) is fine with me. i think Brady needs the same kind of weapons Manning has, and with Luck continuing to get better they are going to need to be able to keep up to win the AFC next season.


Re-sign Edelman and WR and TE are still priorities imo.

I know how heavily you were advocating for Welker and it's admirable how quickly you moved on and supported DA once the reality of the situation set in. On the other hand, as much as the dead horse has been beaten, people around here still need to realize that that was a horrible move by the FO, at least for this year.

:deadhorse: :bricks:

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The problem is that we paid Amendola so that puts us in a bind with Edelman. We really need to resign Edelman and frankly he is more deserving of a 5 year/$31,000,000 contract than Amendola is but 2 have $60,000,000 tied to the slot receiver position is excessive. On the flip side I don’t see how we don’t resign Edelman and feel comfortable with Amendola who is not capable of consistently being a reliable target, he is often injured, struggles to get open or create space, and drops catchable footballs. The Amendola signing was a terrible idea from the beginning in my opinion it was an impulsive panic signing motivated by the Welker decision to move on to get open, I do not believe that any team was offering Amendola anything even close to $5,700,000 annually for his services.



How often do teams really let their big name star players leave in this NFL? Usually if a team lets a player walk it is because they watched him every day in practice and did not think he was worth the money. Amendola is a perfect example of that; the Rams had the resources to retain him, they had the ability to tag him, transition him but he they bid very low throughout the entire process. Jeff Fisher is a good coach in this league and if he didn’t think Amendola was worth what we paid having seen him everyday we should have known better.

It wasn't a panic signing. The team signed Amendola before Welker had moved on. Welker went back to the Pats saying match this and I'm back, but they already gave that money to Amendola. Another terrible ex-Ram acquisition by the coordinator.

 

[BrickPat]

Then I am sure you won't mind showing us your posts from when they signed him arguing against the signing. Or your posts telling us they should re-sign Welker, or your posts saying they should sign neither and sign Edelman long term instead. Any of them will do, just show us where you stood when it happened.


Unless of course you never objected when they signed him and are now just trying to make yourself look semi-intelligent. But you wouldn't do that now, would you?

You and I were on the same page in our critiques about the FO regarding their part in the WW situation. Having said that, what difference does that make now? Regardless of how one felt about WW good or bad, it's not unreasonable for anyone to now independently assess Amendola's performance or lack thereof this season.

While I would not consider DA a bust I wholeheartedly agree that out he did absolutely nothing this season to dispel the longstanding reputation that he is unreliable. If DA's lack of performance was due to injury that speaks for itself relative to his established history of being hurt (and thus unreliable). If DA was underwhelming for other reasons that's not a good thing either.

 

[Deus Irae]

Would you have counted on Edelman considering his injury plagued career. And yet one injury free season with Brady nets him the 100/1000 season he got this year. There's no reason to think that Amendola can't do the same with an injury free year.

One of the excuses that people tried to build into the Welker fiasco was that Welker's numbers would drop way down because he'd be sharing the ball with all those other guys. Now, that wasn't happening, and Welker was on a pace for his usual 100+ catches before the concussions, but the point remains.

If the theory is that more receivers = fewer catches as it was when people were trying to defend the Welker move, why should we be expecting 100 catches from Amendola if he's going to be sharing the ball with Gronk, Edelman, Dobson, Thompkins, Boyce and, maybe, another receiving TE?

Because, let's be honest, Edelman reached 100 catches because Brady didn't really have anyone else to throw the ball to. After all, that's how the theory goes, and Edelman was targeted almost twice as often (151-83) as the next receiver, according to ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Amendola was healthy and in the last 4 regular season games had a total of 6 catches.

In the last playoff game he played 42 snaps and only had 1 target, a pass right in his hands that he dropped.

A TERRIBLE signing that is going to be even more infamous as time goes on. $29 Million over 5 years for a complete bust.

No more ex-Bronco or ex-Ram players recommended by our "genius" coordinator, please.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Would you have counted on Edelman considering his injury plagued career. And yet one injury free season with Brady nets him the 100/1000 season he got this year. There's no reason to think that Amendola can't do the same with an injury free year.

igsfly:

:rofl2:

 

[The Brandon Five]

It Is What It Is » Danny Amendola knows he could?ve done more to help Patriots ?get the job done?

Really, Danny? You mean you could have done more than absolutely nothing? Good to know!

 

[manxman2601]

One of the excuses that people tried to build into the Welker fiasco was that Welker's numbers would drop way down because he'd be sharing the ball with all those other guys. Now, that wasn't happening, and Welker was on a pace for his usual 100+ catches before the concussions, but the point remains.

If the theory is that more receivers = fewer catches as it was when people were trying to defend the Welker move, why should we be expecting 100 catches from Amendola if he's going to be sharing the ball with Gronk, Edelman, Dobson, Thompkins, Boyce and, maybe, another receiving TE?

Because, let's be honest, Edelman reached 100 catches because Brady didn't really have anyone else to throw the ball to. After all, that's how the theory goes, and Edelman was targeted almost twice as often (151-83) as the next receiver, according to ESPN.

New England Patriots 2013 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - ESPN

Well he might not be sharing those catches with Edelman and if Edelman does leave,then Amendola likely sees a lot more snaps. In 2011, Welker had 120/1500 season with Gronk, Hernandez and Branch all getting plenty of receptions themselves. That allows for plenty of leeway on a 100/1000 season for Amendola. And even if he doesn't attain those heights then he can still make a significant impact.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I know how heavily you were advocating for Welker and it's admirable how quickly you moved on and supported DA once the reality of the situation set in. On the other hand, as much as the dead horse has been beaten, people around here still need to realize that that was a horrible move by the FO, at least for this year.

:deadhorse: :bricks:

I agree that it didn't pay off this season but i still understand what they were thinking when they made the move and i don't think you can blame them for his injury. His prior injuries were of a freak nature so it wasn't a case where he was always lame and couldn't play but more of one of unfortunate breaks. I think Amendola is a tough quality player and i think he will work his ass off and show how good he is next season but we will see, if he doesn't live up to the deal he is gone after next season.

I wanted Welker back but i don't see how banging the drum for that after the fact makes any more sense than calling for his release this season makes, neither was a matter of reality and the only gain there is in it is for people to scream about "how right they were...."

As for Welker I was actually wrong about him for the most part, I love his game and his toughness but a long term deal would have been a mistake, his brain is almost certainly starting to look like the bananas we have been saving to make banana bread, and that isn't a pretty site. he is a great player but for his own good he should retire, I hate the idea of him being 40 and drooling in his darkened room. I was right that he was a good bargain, but wrong in wanting them to sign him long term as his career is winding down, at least if he has any sense it is. Momma's don't let your babies grow up to be slot receivers..............unless you want them to get decapitated weekly.