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Where does the Blount trade rank in the BB era?

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Blounts always had a knack for cutbacks and open field running like a smaller guy. Best part of his game improvement is he's a serious short yardage guy this year.

Either way, he's a late game punisher, though like Dillon and Antowain Smith.
 
In response to Brady6, don't care about fumbles in earlier games or career fumbles (what have you done for me lately). Run Ridley, Vereen, and Bolden and end the game with Blount.

Blount has 2 fumbles both lost this season on 129 carries that is not exactly great – his fumble percentage is 1.55%.

On top of that he has been stuffed 9 times which is 7% of the time. That is a lot for a player who is considered to be a power runner.
 
There is a reason for the lack of such threads.

Few if any of us use stats to determine the value of players. We use actual watching of games and play during game situations.

Bolden isn't comparable to Dillon. He isn't comparable to Blount. There is a reason that Bolden's role on this team is as a backup to Vereen. He isn't close to being a runner that we would count on in place of the others in the 4th quarter.

We have had many disagreements with how Blount and Ridley (our two-back combo) are used in various parts of the game. Bolden doesn't come into the discussion.
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With all the above being said, I am fine with Bolden being on the team, this year and next. We need a #4 or #5 running back. We need a backup 3rd down back (it is somewhat sad that Ridley cannot fill this role better).

Brandon Bolden has been more productive than Blount in his opportunities and I don’t see him with any threads opened comparing him to Corey Dillon.
 
OK, you are an analytic genius for preferring to have Woodhead instead of Blount!

I would happily take last season:
Ridley
Woodhead
Vereen
Bolden

Over this season:
Ridley
Vereen
Blount
Bolden
 
We have a need for an effective, pounding back in the 4th quarter. It is fine if that player is
our #1 running back. This could be so, or not. It was the case with Dillon and Smith.

We are celebrating having such a back on the team. Ridley took that role last year. Blount is a better choice.

The bottom line is that Blount is a fine addition, a fine role player. We need to fill that role in 2014.

I don’t know how Dillon got that nickname but it certainly was not as a result of him gaining the majority of his yards in the 4th quarter like Blount does.
 
Blount has 2 fumbles both lost this season on 129 carries that is not exactly great – his fumble percentage is 1.55%.

On top of that he has been stuffed 9 times which is 7% of the time. That is a lot for a player who is considered to be a power runner.

The last game Blount fumbled the ball was a month ago. I really don't care about stats. Its freakin cold and I've got a 250 lb RB with fresh legs pounding the ball in the fourth quarter and he's picking up 4 yards at a clip. End of story.
 
I don’t rank the trade that high because it could shift dramatically in coming seasons. If Talib and Blount walk after the season we basically traded a fourth, a seventh and Jeff Demps for Talib who we could has signed as an UFA this past offseason so the trade netted us 8 games with Talib and only 5 that he was able to play the entire game, and Blount who has been good but let’s not get carried away he has under 600 rushing yards and many of them have come in garbage time. If Demps plays football and is impactful and James returns healthy and is productive the end result of this trade long term actually could go Tampa’s way.


No way we could have signed Talib as ufa. The jets would pay him double.
 
I would happily take last season:
Ridley
Woodhead
Vereen
Bolden

Over this season:
Ridley
Vereen
Blount
Bolden

Salary cap dude. Vereen is much more cap efficient. And honestly he is more physically talented than Woodhead. I loved Woody but he became redundant when Vereen emerged in the Texans game in the playoffs last year. We can't always keep all the players we want. And the money we saved from Woodhead might go towards keeping Talib next year.

The reality is that the Pats have one of the youngest/deepest RB corps in the NFL. I really like our situation that we can sub Blount for Ridley and have no drop-off. Plus Blount brings an added element with his size (that woodhead doesn't) and can also play fullback for us.
 
Few if any of us use stats to determine the value of players. We use actual watching of games and play during game situations.

When a poster is talking about an offensive skill position (QB, RB and WR) and they say things like we don’t rely on stats it reminds of me of people saying money is not that important, the people who say that about money are the people who don’t have any money and the posters who say that about stats in terms of those players say that because they don’t have the stats to justify their position. When you buy a stock do you look at the measurable metrics associated with it, because that is what a stat is – it is metrics used to determine the player’s performance against its peers and in the situation of a RB or WR it absolutely matters; the problem is fans and posters have seen people buy into that stats don’t matter when talking about players like Vince Wilfork because in that case it is true that stats don’t do him justice but trying to use that when evaluating a RB that is fraudulent and misleading.

If you did actually watch the games and pay attention to Blount you would clearly see that his stats actually make him seem more valuable than he is. He is not that good, many of his runs go for minimal if any yardage, his ball security is suspect, an awful pass blocker, a non-factor in the receiving game and when running against a fresh first string DL he is not even an average runner.

Bolden isn't comparable to Dillon. He isn't comparable to Blount. There is a reason that Bolden's role on this team is as a backup to Vereen. He isn't close to being a runner that we would count on in place of the others in the 4th quarter.

I don’t understand why you see it that way at all, frankly you have nothing to base that belief on other than Blount being used in that role more often. Bolden runs for more yards per attempt, is stuffed less often and has never fumbled in his career. What exactly do you base your belief on?

In my opinion Bolden is the backup to Vereen right now because of the 3 backs other than Vereen his skillset fits the best and since we have 4 guys on the roster Belichick is using them all in a way that gives the team the most value and puts them in the best position to succeed. You’re confusing using Blount at a time when he can be successful therefore getting something out of him for Blount being this integral member of the team. They use Blount when they do because if they didn’t they would have him here and he would not be giving the team anything, he is on the roster so they get something out of him.

We have had many disagreements with how Blount and Ridley (our two-back combo) are used in various parts of the game. Bolden doesn't come into the discussion.
All due respect MG I think our disagreement stems from your basing your opinion on popular opinion and not an actual assessment of his metrics or film study, you think because others speak highly of him that makes it true but how many times have seen illusions with players because Belichick is able to get some value out of them? Belichick knows how to max out players on his roster that is not the player that is Bill Belichick and if and when Blount leaves I would be willing to bet he will have 1 productive season at most and most likely just fail and be out of the NFL within 3 years.

With all the above being said, I am fine with Bolden being on the team, this year and next. We need a #4 or #5 running back. We need a backup 3rd down back (it is somewhat sad that Ridley cannot fill this role better).

Such a silly double standard amongst fans and posters; Ridley’s last fumble occurred in the same exact game as Blount’s last fumble.
 
We have a need for an effective, pounding back in the 4th quarter. It is fine if that player is

our #1 running back. This could be so, or not. It was the case with Dillon and Smith.



We are celebrating having such a back on the team. Ridley took that role last year. Blount is a better choice.



The bottom line is that Blount is a fine addition, a fine role player. We need to fill that role in 2014.


How do you figure that Blount is better? You seem to confuse Belichick using Blount at a time when he can be most valuable with Blount being superior in that role. Blount is used when he is used because any other time he is not as valuable and if he is on the roster Belichick want to get something out of him and that is the best time to do so. This team is no better off in the fourth quarter this season than it was last year with Ridley going the whole way.

Blount is a fine player and I am happy to have him on board I just disagree with the need to celebrate him doing his job anymore than Brandon Bolden deserves it. I also completely disagree with the "where he ranks as a trade" he isn't close to Dillon, Moss, Welker or even Talib suggesting he belongs in that company is laughable in my opinion. I cannot think of one game that we won because of Blount I can however think of won we may have lost which is the Bengals game.
 
When a poster is talking about an offensive skill position (QB, RB and WR) and they say things like we don’t rely on stats it reminds of me of people saying money is not that important, the people who say that about money are the people who don’t have any money and the posters who say that about stats in terms of those players say that because they don’t have the stats to justify their position. When you buy a stock do you look at the measurable metrics associated with it, because that is what a stat is – it is metrics used to determine the player’s performance against its peers and in the situation of a RB or WR it absolutely matters; the problem is fans and posters have seen people buy into that stats don’t matter when talking about players like Vince Wilfork because in that case it is true that stats don’t do him justice but trying to use that when evaluating a RB that is fraudulent and misleading.

If you did actually watch the games and pay attention to Blount you would clearly see that his stats actually make him seem more valuable than he is. He is not that good, many of his runs go for minimal if any yardage, his ball security is suspect, an awful pass blocker, a non-factor in the receiving game and when running against a fresh first string DL he is not even an average runner.



I don’t understand why you see it that way at all, frankly you have nothing to base that belief on other than Blount being used in that role more often. Bolden runs for more yards per attempt, is stuffed less often and has never fumbled in his career. What exactly do you base your belief on?

In my opinion Bolden is the backup to Vereen right now because of the 3 backs other than Vereen his skillset fits the best and since we have 4 guys on the roster Belichick is using them all in a way that gives the team the most value and puts them in the best position to succeed. You’re confusing using Blount at a time when he can be successful therefore getting something out of him for Blount being this integral member of the team. They use Blount when they do because if they didn’t they would have him here and he would not be giving the team anything, he is on the roster so they get something out of him.


All due respect MG I think our disagreement stems from your basing your opinion on popular opinion and not an actual assessment of his metrics or film study, you think because others speak highly of him that makes it true but how many times have seen illusions with players because Belichick is able to get some value out of them? Belichick knows how to max out players on his roster that is not the player that is Bill Belichick and if and when Blount leaves I would be willing to bet he will have 1 productive season at most and most likely just fail and be out of the NFL within 3 years.



Such a silly double standard amongst fans and posters; Ridley’s last fumble occurred in the same exact game as Blount’s last fumble.

GOD it is Christmas for once stop talking out of your arse. You are quite simply wrong wrong wrong. The stats actually back up that Blount has had a better year than Ridley. Sooo if we want to use stats you are wrong. You are making up the whole lots of his runs go for little yardage, once again bs. Just stop posting on here until you actually watch one of the freaking games. Blount has been a better back than Ridley this year, no way around it. Now that doesn't mean Ridley has been bad, other than the whole most lost fumbles in the league thing, on limited carries, but when he doesn't drop the ball he runs hard and well, on par with Blount.

Your shtick is just so old, no one cares what you say anymore, I realize you just say things to get attention and that is fine, but just go somewhere else and do it.
 
Salary cap dude. Vereen is much more cap efficient. And honestly he is more physically talented than Woodhead. I loved Woody but he became redundant when Vereen emerged in the Texans game in the playoffs last year. We can't always keep all the players we want. And the money we saved from Woodhead might go towards keeping Talib next year.



The reality is that the Pats have one of the youngest/deepest RB corps in the NFL. I really like our situation that we can sub Blount for Ridley and have no drop-off. Plus Blount brings an added element with his size (that woodhead doesn't) and can also play fullback for us.


I don't want there to be the confusion that I am anti Blount because I'm not I thought it was a good pick up and he has performed well this season in his role. What I am saying is the premise of this thread that suggests Blount was a notable trade in the Belichick era makes no sense to me. Blount is likely a 1 and done player who provided depth and solid running for us he is not going to be something that stands out when reflecting on Belichick trades.
 
How do you figure that Blount is better? You seem to confuse Belichick using Blount at a time when he can be most valuable with Blount being superior in that role. Blount is used when he is used because any other time he is not as valuable and if he is on the roster Belichick want to get something out of him and that is the best time to do so. This team is no better off in the fourth quarter this season than it was last year with Ridley going the whole way.

Blount is a fine player and I am happy to have him on board I just disagree with the need to celebrate him doing his job anymore than Brandon Bolden deserves it. I also completely disagree with the "where he ranks as a trade" he isn't close to Dillon, Moss, Welker or even Talib suggesting he belongs in that company is laughable in my opinion. I cannot think of one game that we won because of Blount I can however think of won we may have lost which is the Bengals game.

We won the Raven's game because of Blount.
 
Your shtick is just so old, no one cares what you say anymore, I realize you just say things to get attention and that is fine, but just go somewhere else and do it.


I don't say anything for attention. I provide my view and data and context to support it. You don't like the things I say so you like to believe it is something more but it's not. As far as what people like I think plenty of people like what I post in fact I provide more to every thread than anything you offer. You just talk trash, I would actually prefer that you put me on ignore because I'm sick of your need to take shots at me sort of like yesterday when you didn't even read the date of my post you just inserted your foot in your mouth. Just stop with your vendetta it's so unnecessary. You like Blount I like him to I just don't think he deserves to be in the same company as fans are placing him what about that requires you to make this personal?
 
We won the Raven's game because of Blount.


Did we? I think we won it because our defense held them to 7 points and picked off Flacco 3 times. Blount helped the cause but most of his yards were gained when we had a lead of 10+ points.
 
No way we could have signed Talib as ufa. The jets would pay him double.


Talib was an UFA this past offseason free to go anywhere. The jets could have signed him as you suggested and they didn't.
 
I like Blount and think he was a good pickup but to put him in the same sentence as Corey Dillon is ambitious in my opinion. Blount has done well as I said but many of his yards are gained in the fourth quarter of decided football games.

He shouldn't be in the convo..i was just talking about his nickname a lot called him. blount is a punisher like Dillon...but Dillon was better and quicker
 
You seem to think that Blount plays in the 4th because Belichick thinks that he needs to get value out of him, rather than simply playing the best player in the role of 4th quarter back. My position is that if Ridley was better as a 4th quarter back, he'd be playing more in the 4th quarter and on short yardage.

You think that it silly to believe that Blount is better than Bolden as a 4th quarter back and as a back, merely Belichick chooses to use him more. Consider the alternative. You believe that Bolden is better in the role than Bolden because you believe that your judgement of the facts is better than that of Belichick. Obviously, Belichick makes incorrect decisions. However, Belichick obviously has a huge amount of data that we do not have, including assignments and practice. More to the point, Bolden has been given lots and lots of chances in games. Your analysis of the results is your own.

I would much rather make my judgement based on my gut feel and my analysis of Belichick's actions, and the interpretations of Belichick's actions. You prefer your own personal analysis of the stats. Your choice is your own. Believe me when I say that we have been doing this since long before Belichick arrived. There are lots better indicators of the value of players than the analysis of stats by short time posters.

Of course, we often argue and disagree. And a few of us have binkies that we like more than we should or players that we value less than we should. But there is no question in my mind that, at any given time, the staff know best who is the better choice for various roles in an individual game.

What we argue about is most is with regard to off-season decisions.

When a poster is talking about an offensive skill position (QB, RB and WR) and they say things like we don’t rely on stats it reminds of me of people saying money is not that important, the people who say that about money are the people who don’t have any money and the posters who say that about stats in terms of those players say that because they don’t have the stats to justify their position. When you buy a stock do you look at the measurable metrics associated with it, because that is what a stat is – it is metrics used to determine the player’s performance against its peers and in the situation of a RB or WR it absolutely matters; the problem is fans and posters have seen people buy into that stats don’t matter when talking about players like Vince Wilfork because in that case it is true that stats don’t do him justice but trying to use that when evaluating a RB that is fraudulent and misleading.

If you did actually watch the games and pay attention to Blount you would clearly see that his stats actually make him seem more valuable than he is. He is not that good, many of his runs go for minimal if any yardage, his ball security is suspect, an awful pass blocker, a non-factor in the receiving game and when running against a fresh first string DL he is not even an average runner.



I don’t understand why you see it that way at all, frankly you have nothing to base that belief on other than Blount being used in that role more often. Bolden runs for more yards per attempt, is stuffed less often and has never fumbled in his career. What exactly do you base your belief on?

In my opinion Bolden is the backup to Vereen right now because of the 3 backs other than Vereen his skillset fits the best and since we have 4 guys on the roster Belichick is using them all in a way that gives the team the most value and puts them in the best position to succeed. You’re confusing using Blount at a time when he can be successful therefore getting something out of him for Blount being this integral member of the team. They use Blount when they do because if they didn’t they would have him here and he would not be giving the team anything, he is on the roster so they get something out of him.


All due respect MG I think our disagreement stems from your basing your opinion on popular opinion and not an actual assessment of his metrics or film study, you think because others speak highly of him that makes it true but how many times have seen illusions with players because Belichick is able to get some value out of them? Belichick knows how to max out players on his roster that is not the player that is Bill Belichick and if and when Blount leaves I would be willing to bet he will have 1 productive season at most and most likely just fail and be out of the NFL within 3 years.



Such a silly double standard amongst fans and posters; Ridley’s last fumble occurred in the same exact game as Blount’s last fumble.
 
You truly believe that we would have lost the game if Blount was inactive? You do recall the score? You did watch the game?

We won the Raven's game because of Blount.
 
This is all true. Blount was a fine trade, but not notable among the trades that Belichick as coach.

I don't want there to be the confusion that I am anti Blount because I'm not I thought it was a good pick up and he has performed well this season in his role. What I am saying is the premise of this thread that suggests Blount was a notable trade in the Belichick era makes no sense to me. Blount is likely a 1 and done player who provided depth and solid running for us he is not going to be something that stands out when reflecting on Belichick trades.
 
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