That was pass interference

[patsfanincleveland]

Every Browns fan this morning thinks the Browns were robbed.

Every Browns fan this morning will also admit that they knew the Patriots would score.

The call is a great excuse for what happened.

 

[oldskool138]

...also got his hand up in Boyces field of vision because he was beat.

Faceguarding is legal. Remember the 2006 AFCCG in Indy?

 

[Ring 6]

It was an iffy call.

Remember this play from Week 4?
Patriots defense, 4th down failed - NFL Videos

Talib has a hold of Roddy's jersey, and contacts Roddy a split second before the ball arrives. I liked that there was no call there, would've been ticky tack.

On the other hand, one factor that might have gone against McFadden was that he never turned his head to locate the ball. That's something the refs take into consideration. That's a pet peeve of mine when it comes to cornerbacks. The ones that aren't known for turning their head to locate the ball are usually always getting burned. (Not saying McFadden is one of those guys, since I know nothing about him.)

Talib did nothing wrong, he has as much right to THE BALL as the receiver.
McFadden grab the arm of a receiver as he was reaching to make a catch. He does not have as much right to the receivers arms as the receiver.

 

[Ring 6]

We've seen Dennard and Talib do this time and again and not get called for it. The flag should have stayed in the pocket. It didn't didn't this time. That's just the way it is.

No actually we haven't. Contact is one thing, especially contact while playing the ball. Grabbing a receivers arm is blatant PI and will get called every time the ref has a clear view.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have seen that type of contact called so many times that I see it as PI, however I wish it weren't.

Ultimately i don't think it would have made any difference. The Browns were completely unable to stop Brady in the second half and I believed they were going to get the TD either way, the call just made it a little easier and gave the Browns enough time to have shot at a FG. And if Campbell could move the Browns that far in that time there is no doubt Brady could have done the same.

 

[chasa]

Every Browns fan this morning thinks the Browns were robbed.

Every Browns fan this morning will also admit that they knew the Patriots would score.

The call is a great excuse for what happened.

with that officiating crew, both teams were capable of being screwed, hell i thought the screwjob was in on fumble that apparently wasnt a fumble, and couldnt be reviewed.

 

[Nunchucks]

with that officiating crew, both teams were capable of being screwed, hell i thought the screwjob was in on fumble that apparently wasnt a fumble, and couldnt be reviewed.

That was definitely a fumble, talk about an early whistle, that was a blatant screw job.

 

[patfanken]

Patriots benefit from controversial call in last-minute victory over Browns | For The Win

Pretty good video here and it shows some good interfering at the 6 yard line.

Why is this even still being talked about. This wasn't about some incidental contact. This wasn't about mutual back and forth contact. THIS is all about grabbing and inhibiting the receiver. It couldn't be clearer. That's why I included this clip. Let me point it out to you by the numbers

1. At about the 8 yard line Boyce starts to go by the defender. The defender knowing he's beaten grabs Boyce's arm to slow him down as he goes by. This happens between the
7-2 yd

2. At about the 2 he pushes Boyce in the back

3. In the endzone he grabs the back of Boyce's shoulder.

So in summary: The defender is beaten. He makes no attempt to look back at the ball, and he significantly inhibits the WR for making a catch....MULTIPLE times.

Exactly what about that makes it even a marginal call. This is a call that's going to be made EVERY SINGLE TIME! And that's not counting that this particular crew is known for throwing more flags than most.

The is a media made controversy. The only people who have any right to be upset are rabid Browns fans and the players. Their bias is perfectly understandable, but they are WRONG.

 

[Ring 6]

Why is this even still being talked about. This wasn't about some incidental contact. This wasn't about mutual back and forth contact. THIS is all about grabbing and inhibiting the receiver. It couldn't be clearer. That's why I included this clip. Let me point it out to you by the numbers

1. At about the 8 yard line Boyce starts to go by the defender. The defender knowing he's beaten grabs Boyce's arm to slow him down as he goes by. This happens between the
7-2 yd

2. At about the 2 he pushes Boyce in the back

3. In the endzone he grabs the back of Boyce's shoulder.

So in summary: The defender is beaten. He makes no attempt to look back at the ball, and he significantly inhibits the WR for making a catch....MULTIPLE times.

Exactly what about that makes it even a marginal call. This is a call that's going to be made EVERY SINGLE TIME! And that's not counting that this particular crew is known for throwing more flags than most.

The is a media made controversy. The only people who have any right to be upset are rabid Browns fans and the players. Their bias is perfectly understandable, but they are WRONG.

Its actually pass interference twice. First impeding him at the 8 slowed him down a step which was the reason he did not make the catch, and secondly grabiing his arm in the end zone to prevent him from reaching out to make the catch is textbook pass interference.

 

[50-yard-line]

If that happened to the pats...we would all be sitting here making threads *****ing once again about the officials for weeks strait saying it's not a penalty blah blah

And every thread would be invaded by condescending above-the-fray'ers saying, "They didn't make enough plays!" "They didn't deserve to win!" "if we can't beat the JEST by 20, then we aren't going anywhere anyway!"

Whoopdeedo.

I notice that Cleveland d-backs didn't raise a stink about the call - the guy knew he had grabbed Boyce, repeatedly, because he got smoked around the 10.

That same second-level jet Boyce exhibited was what I saw on his long TD in preseason.

Josh Boyce first TD as a Patriot - YouTube

Watch at around the 53 second mark. Boyce has an extra gear. the Cleveland DB learned that the hard way.

 

[Uncle Meat]

He touched the elbow. Grab is somewhat of an exaggeration I'd suggest. For it to be interference, Boyce has to be impeded and that just isn't there in the end zone as far as I'm concerned. If that's interference then every single pass play in the NFL where the receiver and defender are in close proximity is a pass interference. Might as well play pitch and catch.

This is exactly right. You are allowed to touch the receiver. There was no "elbow grab." Like you say, he has to be impeded, and he was not. Terrible call.

 

[pencilneckgeek]

From what I remember seeing, Campbell's pass landed past the LOS marker. Seemed like a blatant bad call at the time. Need to wait for the vid to be certain though.

The ball landed past the near end-of the chains, but it was 3rd and 6ish. The linesman was standing on the LOS, and the ball landed 1 yard short of him. That, at least, is not a judgment call.

The PI call, on the other hand, can be endlessly debated. Based on the Gene Steratore scale, from the excellent Peter King piece posted earlier this week, in which he says the officials job is to "go fishing for whales...[not] for minnows," that PI call was more skipjack than tuna.

 

[Ring 6]

This is exactly right. You are allowed to touch the receiver. There was no "elbow grab." Like you say, he has to be impeded, and he was not. Terrible call.

You are 100% incorrect.

 

[manxman2601]

You are 100% incorrect.

Well he's 100% correct to say that hindering the receiver is a must for pass interference and considering that there is no consensus as to whether the actions of McFadden "significantly hinders" Boyce's chances of a catch, saying he's a 100% incorrect seems , well, 100% incorrect to me.

The rule says the receiver has to be significantly hindered and there is just no way that happened there. Let's face facts. Boyce dropped the ball.

 

[Patsrock]

Well he's 100% correct to say that hindering the receiver is a must for pass interference and considering that there is no consensus as to whether the actions of McFadden "significantly hinders" Boyce's chances of a catch, saying he's a 100% incorrect seems , well, 100% incorrect to me.

The rule says the receiver has to be significantly hindered and there is just no way that happened there. Let's face facts. Boyce dropped the ball.

He does significantly hinder him. About a yard in the end zone the defenders grabs Boyce arm and yanks it back thus not allowing Boyce to fully extend his arms to catch it. That is what the official called.

 

[goheels22002]

I thought it was a good call, but that doesn't matter. It was a make-up call.

All that matters is that Jerome Boger, the referee who screwed the Patriots with the "shoving" call on DL Chris Jones in OT against the Jets, gave one back with his flag on the PI call.

 

[manxman2601]

He does significantly hinder him. About a yard in the end zone the defenders grabs Boyce arm and yanks it back thus not allowing Boyce to fully extend his arms to catch it. That is what the official called.

I don't agree. He puts his arm on the elbow and the arm moves back as part of Boyce's natural running motion.

Look, for me, this is just an intellectual point of curiosity now. The play was called, the game was won; it is what it is. Considering the outcome of the call, I don't have any axe to grind but I just can't see how anyone can say with 100% certainty that that was intentional and significant contact.

 

[Kontradiction]

Dennard and Talib at least make an effort to turn back for the ball and most times they are playing the ball.

Thats whats made the difference in the NE pass defense this season. Clearly this Browns player was not only grabbing at Boyces arm, but also got his hand up in Boyces field of vision because he was beat.

1. Not turning back for the ball.
1. Grabbing the WRs arm.
1. Hand up in the facemask.

3 strikes youre out!

Points 1 and 3 describe face guarding, which isn't illegal. Point 2 is iffy at best.

 

[BradyManny]

There's too much hand-wringing going on here. To me, its obvious:

- From a fan standpoint, sure, that's a cheap way to win. It would've been much more exciting if Boyce had caught it, which he should have. But, a W is a W. If I were a Browns fan, I'd probably be pissed.

- From the officiating standpoint, I don't like the call either - it didn't need to be called. But it wasn't some egregious call, as many are making it out to be. The DB definitely got beat, made contact, which slowed Boyce down, and made it harder for Boyce to catch the ball. If that call had been made in the 2nd quarter, nobody would've batted an eye. I think most of us dislike the rule more than the call. Mike Pereira, for instance, is making a big deal about this call because he hates DPI in the NFL, and has made that clear. I think we all think the rule is broken, but the call itself really wasn't that bad.

- Lastly, I think its a moot point. I honestly think we would've won the game either way, so I'm not losing sleep over a break helping that happen. But like I said, I wish Boyce had caught that - would've made for Brady's greatest comeback of all-time.

 

[Uncle Meat]

He does significantly hinder him. About a yard in the end zone the defenders grabs Boyce arm and yanks it back thus not allowing Boyce to fully extend his arms to catch it. That is what the official called.

He TOUCHED his arm...touched. I'm not sure on what planet he grabbed it and yanked it back, but not on Earth. It was some good, tight coverage and that's it.

If you watch that arm, it was never affected by the touch.