The OFFICIAL Patriots vs. Browns Post Game Thread

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

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Never celebrate a victory over the Patriots until the Fat Lady wins American Idol!

And, other than for laughs, never visit a Game Day Thread on this board because inevitable and impending doom is chronicled over and over again by numerous "fans" who "told you so."

 

[vyrago]

Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

Because the NFL is a capitalist business that wants to maximize revenue by bringing new young fans into the fold, and they feel like children should not be seeing references to people getting knives cut into throats.

Then why schedule really attractive games on school nights at 8:30??

 

[Patsrock]

Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

So what is the definition of "ANYWHERE ON THE FIELD"???
- is that just between the white side markings?
- or does the sideline-bench area count too (Ocho as I recall got some of his during his cincy days there)

And so, if the REPLAY BIG-SCREEN OPERATOR (this was at a HOME game mind you); could just CUE that up in a LOOP over and over again; the REFs HAVE TO SEE IT.....


I guess (but not entirely sure that) they would still be limited to implementing the penalty before another play runs, but I would think that a good board op should be prepped or have some kind of control of the feed so he could do this (similar to get up a replay view for the coach when trying to make a red-flag decision)

Refs can't use in stadium screen for anything related to game. Anywhere on the field is the entire playing field and all sidelines and end lines.

 

[doesntmatter1]

There is a lot of oline bashing going on. I personally think our guys are playing just fine and that Brady still has more time than most quarterbacks I see. Between Welker, Hernandez, Gronk, and Woodhead passes just flew out at light speed and what we see now is what it looks like having to wait for guys to uncover.

 

[Joker]

There is a lot of oline bashing going on. I personally think our guys are playing just fine and that Brady still has more time than most quarterbacks I see. Between Welker, Hernandez, Gronk, and Woodhead passes just flew out at light speed and what we see now is what it looks like having to wait for guys to uncover.

familiarity breeds contempt....think Aaron Rodgers would scoff at the Pats O line?

 

[jmt57]

In case anybody missed it, I just saw that Shane Vereen set new Patriot franchise records for receptions (12) and receiving yards (153) by a running back yesterday. Total mismatch time after time trying to have a linebacker cover him.

 

[BradyFTW!]

There is a lot of oline bashing going on. I personally think our guys are playing just fine and that Brady still has more time than most quarterbacks I see. Between Welker, Hernandez, Gronk, and Woodhead passes just flew out at light speed and what we see now is what it looks like having to wait for guys to uncover.

Brady makes their job way easier by moving well in the pocket, making quick reads, having an extremely fast release, and not being afraid to throw the ball away. Despite all of that, he's still the sixth most sacked QB in the league this year.

There's no way to sugarcoat it. The pass protection has been absolutely terrible this year.

 

[Brady6]

And yet ...

I would not really consider it being a ****; I am pointing out something that I see as a cause for concern maybe you don’t agree but like I quoted earlier and Ayn Rand said, "One can ignore reality, but one cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."

The inability to maintain consistency has been an issue with McDaniel’s game plans consistently:

2007 – The team averaged 41.375 PPG and didn’t score less than 34 points in any of its first 8; in their final 11 games the averaged 29.45 points and scored less than 30 points in 6 times.
2012 – The team averaged 37 PPG over their first 11 games under 3 points just 3 times; in their final 7 games they averaged 29.14 PPG and scored under 30 points 4 times.

Maybe it is not McDaniels but what I can tell you is in the last 5 playoff games he has been the coordinator for we’ve averaged 24 PPG and scored just 14 points in the 07’ SB and 13 points in the 12’ Conf game which is 13.5 PPG when it matters most and close to 40 PPG in the first half of the seasons.

 

[manxman2601]

In case anybody missed it, I just saw that Shane Vereen set new Patriot franchise records for receptions (12) and receiving yards (153) by a running back yesterday. Total mismatch time after time trying to have a linebacker cover him.

Which is why I don't necessarily miss Hernandez. I don't think it was necessarily that Hernandez was a TE, it was the mismatch he created and the ability to confuse defenses pre-snap by lining him up in different places. Vereen gives us most of this too.

 

[manxman2601]

I would not really consider it being a ****; I am pointing out something that I see as a cause for concern maybe you don’t agree but like I quoted earlier and Ayn Rand said, "One can ignore reality, but one cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."

The inability to maintain consistency has been an issue with McDaniel’s game plans consistently:

2007 – The team averaged 41.375 PPG and didn’t score less than 34 points in any of its first 8; in their final 11 games the averaged 29.45 points and scored less than 30 points in 6 times.
2012 – The team averaged 37 PPG over their first 11 games under 3 points just 3 times; in their final 7 games they averaged 29.14 PPG and scored under 30 points 4 times.

Maybe it is not McDaniels but what I can tell you is in the last 5 playoff games he has been the coordinator for we’ve averaged 24 PPG and scored just 14 points in the 07’ SB and 13 points in the 12’ Conf game which is 13.5 PPG when it matters most and close to 40 PPG in the first half of the seasons.

You get the like for quoting Ayn Rand, I don't want you to think I'm endorsing your views on McDaniels

 

[JackBauer]

Maybe it is not McDaniels but what I can tell you is in the last 5 playoff games he has been the coordinator for we’ve averaged 24 PPG and scored just 14 points in the 07’ SB and 13 points in the 12’ Conf game which is 13.5 PPG when it matters most and close to 40 PPG in the first half of the seasons.

You mean we score less in the playoffs because, ostensibly, we're playing better teams?

Great Scott, what a revelation!

 

[JackBauer]

Which is why I don't necessarily miss Hernandez. I don't think it was necessarily that Hernandez was a TE, it was the mismatch he created and the ability to confuse defenses pre-snap by lining him up in different places. Vereen gives us most of this too.

But what then about Hernandez and Vereen out there simultaneously?

Sigh...

 

[Zeus]

I would not really consider it being a ****

Some may disagree.

 

[Brady6]

You mean we score less in the playoffs because, ostensibly, we're playing better teams?



Great Scott, what a revelation!

It's not just the playoffs Scott.

 

[Kontradiction]

You know that Josh is responsible for the lack of execution as well right? That’s why he works more than just Sundays, he is supposed to study film, coach the players, improve techniques, work with the positional coaches on the players strengths and weakness, stuff like that.

I also think that since the Miami game Brady has been willing this team to victories in the second half and the game plan still sucks – like calling a halfback draw on before Edelman caught his touchdown.

So wait, you think McDaniels is responsible for rookies WR's dropping catchable passes and running the wrong option routes when they look at the defense and are supposed to make the same adjustments as Brady?

 

[ausbacker]

Cause and effect is always open to interpretation in situations, all that’s computable is the outcome. As for it being amusing many people laugh off reality in an attempt to ignore it so I am not surprised.

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality” – Ayn Rand

That would be fine had you been putting forward an argument based on reality. You've done nothing of the sort regarding McDaniels. Put simply Brady6, X hasn't effected Y to result in Z.

 

[Brady6]

Some may disagree.

They would be very unreasonable. I am talking about an offensive coordinator who most likely most have never exchange so much as a friendly smile or nod with. I am also offering an opinion on him as a coach and not his character. That shouldn't prompt any person to lash out and refer to someone as a ****.

Zeus do you think if Josh heard someone offering an opinion on your performance at work he would call that person a ****?

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

If the refs had seen that it would've been a 15-yard penalty. The "slit-throat" gesture was outlawed by the league years ago.

I missed this. Who made it? You can bet the league won't miss it in their review of the tape.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

And this is exactly why that's such a stupid rule. If the refs aren't watching for it after an 80 yard touchdown, then when are they watching for it? And if they're not watching for it, then why make it a penalty? The only other alternative is that they saw it and don't care. In either case, selective enforcement of the rule in obvious situations is far worse than not having the rule in the first place.

Jerome Bogar is the referee who had 8+ downgrades last year before the play-offs, yet, miraculously, had them all cleared so he could end up being the SB Referee.

After reading the 3 part series that Peter King did on Gene Steratore's crew, I hope that Steratore files a grievance against the league if he's not in the play-offs because it's clear that there was significant bias in the selection of Bogar.

The guy is, consistently, one of the absolute worst Referees in the league and his crew is horrible. How this man is still a league official is beyond me.

As mentioned in the Peter King article, any official with more than
EDIT: BTW, if you didn't read the Peter King article, you should. It's very enlightening and basically says that an official with 4+ downgrades might get the play-offs, but certainly won't get the SB.

Here are the links:
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/04/peter-king-spends-week-with-nfl-refs/5/
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/05/peter-king-spends-week-with-nfl-refs-part-two/
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/06/peter-king-week-with-officiating-crew-part-three/

 

[DaBruinz]

As I said to you the other day you can say targets don’t mean jack to me but I don’t buy it, Brady completed 61% of his passes today but his passes to Amendola were only at a 50% - it might not be the end all be all but it certainly makes a difference especially when you consider Edelman who runs similar routes (even more difficult routes) and he caught 6/9 for 66.7% today.

And this is why you have little credibility when it comes to this discussion. If you aren't willing to look at how targets are figured and the fact that there are "targets" that get credited to a receiver despite the receiver not having anything to do with the play, then you aren't worth having the discussion with.

You do know that Targets isn't even an official NFL stat, right? And it's not an official NFL stat because there is subjectivity in it.

Receivers are given "targets" even when a d-lineman bats a ball at the LOS. They also receiver them if a QB throws the ball at their feet to avoid a sack or intentional grounding penalty. So, unless you are willing to take that into consideration (which you've shown your not), then there is nothing to talk about.

Furthermore, where do you get that Edelman runs harder routes than Amendola? That is purely subjective on your part.