Squealers' Coach Tomlin Cheats to Prevent TD

[Deus Irae]

what do you consider a reasonable fine? keep in mind BB was fined 500,000 for ignoring a league memo.

Why do you keep referring to the Patriots punishment as if it should have meaning? Are you deliberately ignoring the whole "The Patriots got screwed and were penalized far too harshly" portion of what I've been saying, or are you just struggling with comprehension here? This is a serious question, by the way, and not anything intended as snark. I honestly don't get why you keep pointing back to something relevant only as an example of what the league office should NOT do.

 

[The Scrizz]

Yea, because had he moved the right foot, that would be very obvious tripping and Tomlin wouldn't be coaching next week, much less the rest of the season. Tomlin isn't that dumb (although he still looks pretty dumb every time I see that video).

You seem like a smart guy, so your posts in this thread are blowing me away. Has Spygate made some Patriots fans so hesitant to point fingers at other teams (unless it's the Jets) that their judgment is clouded at best or deliberately wrong at worst? I really can't think of any other explanation. Reminds me of how some we're so quick to defend New Orleans and slam Gooddell like a broken record. I found a few posters' support of Incognito and the Dolphins to be pretty damn bizarre as well.,

Tomlin got f'ing lucky that Jones didn't trip on him. Can you imagine if Jones had kept running up the sideline in the field of play (where Tomlin happened to be despite some of the foolishness being posted) and hit Tomlin?

 

[The Scrizz]

Why do you keep referring to the Patriots punishment as if it should have meaning? Are you deliberately ignoring the whole "The Patriots got screwed and were penalized far too harshly" portion of what I've been saying, or are you just struggling with comprehension here? This is a serious question, by the way, and not anything intended as snark. I honestly don't get why you keep pointing back to something relevant only as an example of what the league office should NOT do.

Equal protection under the law?

Oh right, this is the Goodell Dictatorship.

 

[groganbootleg]

Why do you keep referring to the Patriots punishment as if it should have meaning? Are you deliberately ignoring the whole "The Patriots got screwed and were penalized far too harshly" portion of what I've been saying, or are you just struggling with comprehension here? This is a serious question, by the way, and not anything intended as snark. I honestly don't get why you keep pointing back to something relevant only as an example of what the league office should NOT do.

You appear to be the only person who cares about this aspect, but you just keep bringing it up. very persistent, its a good quality

 

[Deus Irae]

Equal protection under the law?

Oh right, this is the Goodell Dictatorship.

In law, if one person is given an innapropriately harsh sentence, that doesn't become the baseline. It (theoretically) gets struck down as violative of the constitution. The Patriots didn't have that level of protection when Goodell decided to go around swinging his shiny new stick, at least partially because Kraft decided to go the conciliatory route instead of fighting the situation.

The Saints players learned from that, and they told Goodell to go pound sand. Now we're going to see whether or not Goodell's figured out that excessive punishment isn't the way to go.

 

[Joker]

what should Goody do...what should Goody do...go all out "spygate" goony?

or go the Rex Ryan "I don't know anything, the assistant coach should have kept me off the sideline!" Sal Alosi route?

yeah, I think he does option B...Tomlin fires some poor schlep, the Rooneys pay a 50K fine which is like 25 cents to them..and everyone forgets the whole thing...That way ESPN and NFLN can go back to "SEE WHY SPYGATE WAS SO SERIOUS????PATRIOTS BAD!!! PLAYERS SUSPECT BAD THINGS!!!!!" and keep their rating sky high as Mongo Nation eats it up like it's Christmas dinner.

 

[chasa]

Why do you keep referring to the Patriots punishment as if it should have meaning? Are you deliberately ignoring the whole "The Patriots got screwed and were penalized far too harshly" portion of what I've been saying, or are you just struggling with comprehension here? This is a serious question, by the way, and not anything intended as snark. I honestly don't get why you keep pointing back to something relevant only as an example of what the league office should NOT do.

why didnt you answer the question?

you are saying the loss of a draft pick, even a 6h rounder, is too harsh. you are looking for a "reasonable fine" yet you wont say what ignoring the league office and intentionally or not disrupting a live play the way the steeler's head coach did.

what should you fine a millionaire coach, a fine that his billionaire boss is going to pay for him?

Yeah send a strong message that interfering with the game, and blatantly ignoring league memos. Good way to make those rules have some weight

 

[unoriginal]

Quote from MMQB - Peter King [

Thanks for running down the quote.

Well, it's good King began that piece by stating that happens before every game. In other contexts I find his football knowledge suspect so I'm pleasantly surprised he both knew that and was clear about it.

I disagree with his implication that Tomlin being out there meant the get-back coach was lax about sideline discipline. The head coach is de facto, although not de jure, allowed the privilege to be in that stripe. He's allowed to buttonhole sideline judges and demand explanations, step out on the field to get the referee's attention, and so on. The get-back coach almost never tells the head coach to get back. Referees are used to having the head coach in that space, and really avoiding one extra person in that stripe isn't all that hard. Obviously they can't be touching the field during play as Tomlin was, but if I recall on that replay nobody else but Tomlin and the refs were in that stripe.

 

[Deus Irae]

why didnt you answer the question?

you are saying the loss of a draft pick, even a 6h rounder, is too harsh. you are looking for a "reasonable fine" yet you wont say what ignoring the league office and intentionally or not disrupting a live play the way the steeler's head coach did.

what should you fine a millionaire coach, a fine that his billionaire boss is going to pay for him?

Yeah send a strong message that interfering with the game, and blatantly ignoring league memos. Good way to make those rules have some weight

Thanks for your clarifying post.

You seem to have no acceptance, and perhaps no understanding, of appropriate punishment. That explains your responses. We're never going to be able to agree on this, because I'm coming from a different position than you are. I'm not looking to screw over the Steelers, and you are.

 

[captain stone]

Tomlin got f'ing lucky that Jones didn't trip on him. Can you imagine if Jones had kept running up the sideline in the field of play (where Tomlin happened to be despite some of the foolishness being posted) and hit Tomlin?

Then Jones would've been out of bounds too.

 

[chasa]

Thanks for your clarifying post.

You seem to have no acceptance, and perhaps no understanding, of appropriate punishment. That explains your responses. We're never going to be able to agree on this, because I'm coming from a different position than you are. I'm not looking to screw over the Steelers, and you are.

I couldn't help but notice there were no numbers in this reply.

How about this.

BB was fined 50k for touching an official when trying to slow him down to ask him a question. where does tomlin fit on a scale from screwing the pats, to fining BB for touching someones shoulder?

 

[Deus Irae]

Decision is in: $100k fine


Steep for a situation with questionable intent and impact, but on the level with the Jets coach, who'd clearly interfered, and it was a violation made by a coach who's on the committee, so it's at least reasonable for the sport.

Maybe Goodell's learning on the job. That's probably too much to hope for, but it would be nice to see. Of course, he could still decide to get stupid and take draft picks, but that's down the road, apparently, so we'll have to wait on that part.

 

[Tunescribe]

Tomlin vs. BB

The Mike Tomlin charade brings into sharp relief how Goodell and the league play favorites to the detriment of the game. Tomlin pulls his nonsense on the sideline intentionally INTERFERING with a play, then yucks it up afterward. He bloviates a faux mea culpa in his press conference, saying all the right things. The league gives him a slap on the wrist and you can bet Tomlin's yucking it up again today.

How would BB have handled it? First of all, BB wouldn't have done what Tomlin did. Secondly, if BB was accused of something similar (as we've seen) he would have deferred comment calling it a "league matter." In other words, he wouldn't have prostrated himself before the Holy Commissioner in the form of ass-kissing public apology.

What we're left with is Tomlin as a newly appointed member of the important NFL competition committee. If anyone BELONGS on the competition committee, it's BB. Fat chance of that ever happening.

 

[sb1]

I don't see them losing any draft picks, not when his intent cannot possibly be proven.

I think the league just said that as a threat to all teams to not step out of line.

But knowing how the Rooney family runs the Steelers...don't be shocked if and when Tomlin gets shown the door before the end of the season.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Decision is in: $100k fine


Steep for a situation with questionable intent and impact, but on the level with the Jets coach, who'd clearly interfered, and it was a violation made by a coach who's on the committee, so it's at least reasonable for the sport.

Maybe Goodell's learning on the job. That's probably too much to hope for, but it would be nice to see. Of course, he could still decide to get stupid and take draft picks, but that's down the road, apparently, so we'll have to wait on that part.

Way too light. He's a HC. He had just received a memo from Goodell on that very topic, yet chose to ignore it in a critical possible game changing situation. He's on the Competition Committee. At a bare minimum he should be kicked off that committee. That would be an appropriate punishment for the circumstances.

 

[Joker]

a deliberate action (preposterous in its' intent BTW) by a head coach already forewarned in a game with playoff implications??? and that same coach on the comp committee?

100K is a cup of coffee to the Rooneys...issue settled...back to 24/7 Patriot/Belichick bashing by ESPN/NFLN with the expressed blessings of Fuhrer Goodell.,

 

[Deus Irae]

Way too light. He's a HC. He had just received a memo from Goodell on that very topic, yet chose to ignore it in a critical possible game changing situation. He's on the Competition Committee. At a bare minimum he should be kicked off that committee. That would be an appropriate punishment for the circumstances.

We disagree on this one.

 

[everlong]

They won't take a draft pick because Tomlin bent over backwards to show his contrition.

 

[Joker]

memo about cameras on the sideline = jay walking

Tomlin deliberately trying toi impede play of the field = attempted homicide

Of course the Patriots should be publicly burned at the stake and Tomlin given the Wreck's "Me No Know" token slap.

welcome to Goodell World....mongoloids and morons welcome.

 

[Froob]

I don't see them losing any draft picks, not when his intent cannot possibly be proven.

I think the league just said that as a threat to all teams to not step out of line.

But knowing how the Rooney family runs the Steelers...don't be shocked if and when Tomlin gets shown the door before the end of the season.

Agreed. Steelers are known for getting rid of troublemakers. Rooney's are the class of the NFL.
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