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Offense is averaging 1.28 points per in the third quarter this season

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The offense is abysmal and blame starts at the top. I will say though that the rookie wrs have been pretty bad IMO. Gronk being out doesn't help. But josh needs to make lemonade out of this and put in plays that will be successful. He Has not done that. FAIL.

And I'm not spoiled. Has nothing to do with it. If they don't improve then it's one and done. And I don't want that. I guess I should just be happy with a just above mediocre team ? And 5 and 2 with narrow victories over bad teams like Tampa and Atlanta and the bills? Not confidence inspiring. I want them to win the Superbowl and right now they are running on about two cylinders.
 
The concept about half time adjustments is overstated. Adjustments are made throughout the entire game. An NFL halftime is all of 12 minutes long. About half of that time is spent getting to the locker room, and then getting back to the field.

"Halftime adjustments" is a cliché used by lazy broadcasters looking for a talking point for the largest segment of their audience, the casual fan.

Fair enough which means we're not making the proper adjustments as the game goes along the opponents are. Take last week for example we came out on the first drive and looked like a very good offense, by the end of the second quarter we looked like the Jaguars.

It appears to me that this was certainly the case in the first game against the Jets, but I am not finding evidence to support that theory on the season as a whole.

Here is a game-by-game look at the drives by the Patriots offense in 2013, not including kneel downs at the end of the half or 4th quarter:

Week 1 at Buffalo - W 23-21
Punt -- 7 plays, 42 yards
TD -- 3 plays, 16 yards
FG -- 9 plays, 20 yards
Punt -- 7 plays, 28 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 7 yards
Fumble -- 4 plays, 28 yards
Punt -- 6 plays, 36 yards
TD -- 4 plays, 32 yards
Interception -- 2 plays, 6 yards

Fumble -- 15 plays, 79 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 4 yards
FG -- 9 plays, 70 yards
Punt -- 7 plays, 29 yards
FG -- 12 plays, 49 yards

Week 2 vs Jets - W 13-10
TD -- 6 plays, 81 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 8 yards
FG -- 4 plays, 5 yards
Punt -- 5 plays, 20 yards
Punt -- 4 plays, -5 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, -4 yards
FG -- 5 plays, 43 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 9 yards
Half -- 7 plays, 15 yards

Punt -- 3 plays, 3 yards
Punt -- 6 plays, 13 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 6 yards
Punt -- 6 plays, 22 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 5 yards
Punt -- 6 plays, 14 yards

Week 3 vs Bucs - W 23-3
Punt -- 4 plays, 11 yards
Punt -- 5 plays, 18 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 2 yards
TD -- 11 plays, 66 yards
TD -- 10 plays, 62 yards
FG -- 3 plays, 8 yards

Interception -- 8 plays, 65 yards
FG -- 8 plays, 36 yards
FG -- 10 plays, 51 yards
Downs -- 10 plays, 65 yards

Week 4 at Falcons - W 30-23
Punt -- 5 plays, 24 yards
TD -- 12 plays, 75 yards
FG -- 7 plays, 62 yards

Punt -- 3 plays, -10 yards
FG -- 14 plays, 89 yards
TD -- 6 plays, 89 yards
TD -- 5 plays, 80 yards
FG -- 6 plays, 28 yards
Downs -- 4 plays, 8 yards

Week 5 at Bengals - L 13-6
Punt -- 3 plays, 2 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 0 yards
Punt -- 6 plays, 25 yards
Punt -- 8 plays, 35 yards
Fumble -- 4 plays, 29 yards
Punt -- 6 plays, 33 yards
FG -- 5 plays, 25 yards

Punt -- 5 plays, 3 yards
Punt -- 5 plays, 28 yards
FG -- 7 plays, 75 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, -5 yards
Interception -- 7 plays, 38 yards

Week 6 vs Saints - W 30-27
FG -- 14 plays, 60 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 9 yards
TD -- 9 plays, 80 yards
TD -- 12 plays, 66 yards
Punt -- 4 plays, 4 yards
Half -- 7 plays, 29 yards

Punt -- 3 plays, -3 yards
FG -- 12 plays, 55 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, -2 yards
FG -- 7 plays, 15 yards
Downs -- 4 plays, 4 yards
Interception -- 1 play, 0 yards
TD -- 8 plays, 70 yards

Week 7 at Jets - L 30-27
TD -- 10 plays, 80 yards
Punt -- 5 plays, 23 yards
TD -- 6 plays, 28 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, -7 yards
Punt -- 5 plays, 21 yards

Interception -- 2 plays, -6 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, 9 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, -3 yards
Punt -- 3 plays, -5 yards
FG -- 10 plays, 62 yards
Punt -- 6 plays, 16 yards
FG -- 12 plays, 66 yards

Punt -- 4 plays, 16 yards
 
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Excellent summary, counselor. So it's execution, which is what Brady has been saying. On the two Cincinnati 3rd quarter drives, the offensive line sucked and just got blown into the backfield at the snap. It got a little better in the 4th quarter but not much.

Absolutely. Mankins has also talked about the struggles of the O-line, noting players getting crossed up on plays and players just getting beat. The notion that this is McDaniel's fault is just a way for people to ***** about the offense without having to actually analyze what's going on.

The problem for us, as fans, is that there isn't much to get optimistic about. It would be nice to see a well-executed 60-minute effort to get a sense of where this team is. We have yet to see the Patriots hit on all cylinders. I am looking forward to the Monday nighter against the Panthers in week 11 when Vereen comes back. I am hopeful Kelly is back on the defensive line and we have Armstead as depth player up front. Carolina is not a bad opponent to use as a measuring stick.

Gronk's got a week of game play under his belt, and Amendola's coming back. That should help the offense look a little better this week, and the offense should start looking playoff caliber over the next few weeks, as long as Solder/Wendell/Connolly start playing better football.
 
You're critiquing BB for hiring McDaniels, his former OC, without interviewing others? Are you actually suggesting he did not know what he was getting, or that you, an armchair quarterback, could advise him of better prospects? As a general matter in everyday life, do people get re-hired after layoffs or departures after seeking opportunities elsewhere? Why do former employers quickly re-hire those people when available? Let me answer that. When a boss believes he has a good employee in a job, he tends not to gamble on an unknown quantity that may be better but may be worse. The fact that BB brought McDaniels in the very season McDaniels finished with the Rams speaks volumes of his confidence in McDaniels. The fact that you, an individual lacking more than 30 years of NFL coaching experience (apparently touting a resume of team sports many here played - none of which is NFL or elite college athletics) who has no clue as to what is happening internally in the Pats organization, disagrees should cause you to think a moment before you speak. If BB is so great, and I believe he is, then why is he such an idiot in making his lousy McDaniels decisions and repeating his mistakes? That is and was a major mistake if true, and the smartest coach in the NFL has repeatedly made that mistake costing his team titles and success over 6 seasons. BB must be an idiot, since he reviews the offensive game plans for every game. There is no separating one proposition from the other, since that problem, if it is in fact a problem, continues every day for as long as McDaniels is the OC. Your implicit proposition is the head coach is incompetent, denying the team the success it so richly deserves by sticking with an inferior OC.

McDaniels has been the OC from 2006-2008 and 2011-present. How did the offenses perform statistically during those years? If the offense performed well (and I submit record-setting, always top 10, average of top 5 is tremendous), then his resume is not the failure your uninformed insight leads you to believe. If you believe that a good OC wins titles every year, then there is no good OC in the NFL because that never happens.



You want to blame McDaniels for these personnel decisions, but offer not a single rational fact that might account for that. Yes, these players played with McDaniels on the Rams and Broncos. That is a fact. As a coordinator or head coach dealing with these players daily, might he have good insight into their abilities? That would be a 'yes'. If you were familiar with the Rams and Broncos when McDaniels was there, did those teams run a Patriots-style offense, given McDaniels's involvement? Whether you know the answer or not, that would also be a 'yes'. Is that familiarity a desirable quality when making personnel decisions? That would also be a 'yes', as veterans acquainted with very different systems may take much of the season if not more to get comfortable and play to abilities. Lloyd (statistically very good) and Amendola (review the Bills game performance in Week 1) immediately fit in the system, and showed a comfort level few display with this complex offense. That was clearly not a problem with those transactions. It stands to reason that may have some bearing on why they were added to the team.

Is McDaniels a decision-maker in personnel matters? Nothing in video or written works detailing BB and his personnel practices would come close to suggesting that. McDaniels is the OC and QB coach right now. Nothing I have seen or read of his role suggests he has a vote in who stay or goes with the Pats. You are either ignorant to the concept of due diligence, or you believe BB is bottom lining player transactions solely on a possible recommendation from McDaniels, without first reviewing game film, results of physicals, scouting reports, etc. that might qualify as due diligence on the possible multi-million dollar player transaction. That makes BB the equivalent of Al Davis, whimsically and idiotically signing players without looking at the complete evidence of that player's potential.

You appear to have some issue with McDaniels, and believe him to be the corrupter, bringing all the misfortune this 5-2 organization has 'suffered' this season and previous seasons to the Pats, which I assume in your mind would have hoisted at least 3 more titles but for his failings as OC. If McDaniels were not here, the personnel would be better. If McDaniels were not here, the offensive line would block better. if McDaniels were not here, Brady would make better decisions and more accurate passes. If McDaniels were not here, the receivers would drop fewer passes. If that irrational process helps you cope with the challenges this season, more power to you.

And no, I, and others here, do not claim McDaniels is perfect. Far from it. He has made his mistakes in game plans. However, there is nothing to suggest that the Pats would be playing flawless offense with some other OC, given the current personnel and execution challenges now facing the team. If you believe that, find the OC with similar personnel challenges who made the offense fire on all cylinders to optimum results.

I think very highly of Belichick as well but the greatest people are still capable of making mistakes and misjudging situations. Belichick clearly miss judged the Hernandez situation, he has misjudged individual players over the years on numerous occasions, that doesn’t diminish his greatness or cause him to be an idiot, greatness stems from making the good decisions more times than not which Belichick has done throughout his career. This belief instilled in some fans that pointing out an error or misjudgment equates to calling Belichick an idiot or something along those lines is so ridiculous. Are you married, or in a relationship, have you ever had your partner do something that you were unhappy with or dissatisfied with; did that mistake completely shift your paradigm of them?

As far as personnel decisions go I can’t believe that those players would be here if not for McDaniels influence, Josh did the exact same thing when he signed in Denver, he signed former Patriots players like Gaffney, Jordan, Paxton and others, after that he went on to St Louis where he traded for Lloyd and players like Spach, LeVoir and others were signed, then he signed back here and in the last 2 season we’ve seen Lloyd, Amendola, Larsen, Fells, Hoomanawanui and Salas all follow suite, you may think that is pure coincidence but I do not think so not by any stretch of the imagination.

My bone to pick with McDaniels is simple and that is his ego constantly standing in the way of the team. He has failed to get along with big name players over the last decade, Deion Branch, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and others have all at least had rumored issues with McDaniels. Let’s move past the past and look at the issues with the present, who are the most talented and potentially most impactful players on our offense currently in your opinion? In my opinion Stevan Ridley is the third most talented and impactful player on the offense behind Brady and Gronkowski, yet Ridley has been on the field for just 169 of the 518 offensive snaps this season, that is ridiculous and inexcusable in my opinion. It makes me question if McDaniels in more interested in making a point than he is putting this offense in the best position to succeed.

Shockingly the 2 games this season where we scored 30 points happened to be Ridley’s 2 best games and the games he was featured in the offense the most, like when we beat the undefeated Saints and Ridley had over 100 total yards and 2 touchdowns so the following week McDaniels said lets feature the UDFA Brandon Bolden more, and that’s not to diminish Bolden who seems to be a very nice player but Stevan Ridley was seventh in rushing yards, third in touchdowns and third in first downs last season in the entire NFL, him being twenty sixth in the NFL in carries at this point in the season is ridiculous and should be grounds for termination of an offensive coordinator all on its own, you have a team with limited talent and you’re intentionally keeping one of your top 5 play makers off the field for 67% of the offensive snaps.
 
Absolutely. Mankins has also talked about the struggles of the O-line, noting players getting crossed up on plays and players just getting beat. The notion that this is McDaniel's fault is just a way for people to ***** about the offense without having to actually analyze what's going on.

Gronk's got a week of game play under his belt, and Amendola's coming back. That should help the offense look a little better this week, and the offense should start looking playoff caliber over the next few weeks, as long as Solder/Wendell/Connolly start playing better football.

The people who are ignoring the issues with the offense are the ones that don’t know **** about the offense, otherwise they would not be foolish enough to sit here and defend the offensive coordinator that’s team has scored under 15 points in 3 of its last 10 contests and scored more than 30 points just 1 time.

I find it very hard to believe that Solder, Mankins, Connolly and Wendell all just happen to be playing poorly, regressing or are in a slump at the same exact time that is really some ironic timing; in my opinion them being put in situations that are not optimal for their success seems much more likely than them all being diminished players at the same exact time.

In my opinion the problem is coaching, Brady is not 10.2% less accurate of a quarterback than he was 2 years ago any more than Wendell is as bad as his blocking has looked this season, the offense is not built to optimize the strengths and lessen the weaknesses of the players, if it was this offense would not be scoring 2 touchdowns less a game than last season, and this team has been on an offensive since last season, since the 49 – 19 win vs. the Jets last season they have played 14 full games during those games they’ve averaged 26.12 PPG, turned the ball over 19 times and scored less than 25 points in half the games (7 games).

Brady’s stats during those 14 games:

Attempts - 596
Completions - 339
Completion % - 56.87%
Passing Yards – 3900
Passing YPG - 278.57
Passing YPA- 6.54
Touchdowns - 22
Interceptions - 12

Prior to the Jets game Brady’s stats (11 games):

Attempts - 420
Completions - 275
Completion % - 65.23%
Passing Yards - 3299
Passing YPG - 299.90
Passing YPA - 7.85
Touchdowns - 24
Interceptions - 3

So either Tom Brady who has a 63.4% completions percentage in his career and had a 105 QB rating or higher in the 2 season leading up to McDaniels arrival has all of sudden regressed in the final 7 games of last season and the first 7 of this season or the offense clearly is not designed properly and is not putting Brady in positions to succeed. I put that on McDaniels, not talent and not the players playing poorly, I think the offense started off rocky last season until Brady took issue with Welker’s lack of involvement then it had a minor peak at midseason and then continued its downward spiral and it didn’t matter who was or was not on the field.
 
Ole kliff Kingsbury himself. Remember him? He's tearing it up in the college ranks with Texas tech. Best bet the pats hire him and give josh the boot!!
 
This belief instilled in some fans that pointing out an error or misjudgment equates to calling Belichick an idiot or something along those lines is so ridiculous. Are you married, or in a relationship, have you ever had your partner do something that you were unhappy with or dissatisfied with; did that mistake completely shift your paradigm of them?

My bone to pick with McDaniels is simple and that is his ego constantly standing in the way of the team. He has failed to get along with big name players over the last decade, Deion Branch, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and others have all at least had rumored issues with McDaniels.

You need to re-read what I wrote, as you seem to be struggling with comprehension. What I said was if BB, as head coach with direct involvement in all coaching and personnel decisions, is brain dead enough to let McDaniels damage his team for 6 full seasons or more, then he is to blame, not McDaniels. I am not criticizing him. You are, implicitly, with this McDaniels theory. I will criticize BB when there is cause to (Amendola may potentially be one of those areas if he doesn't right his ship), but it is folly to suggest that McDaniels has somehow learned to manipulate BB into believing he can do the OC job and that he is to be accepted without question when offering recommendations on personnel. That is pure conspiracy theory, lacking any factual basis. If you cannot accept that, or offer anything other than the names of the players involved to support it, then there is no discussing the point as you are patently irrational on the subject. It is no more rational than Spygate discussions on cheating with opposing fans, who persist in an irrational theory that the Pats cheated to win games despite strong evidence to the contrary (again, BB's screwup attributable to a relatively stupid technical rule). You have player resumes, nothing more, yet spin that to a wild account of all the damage McDaniels has done. By that logic, Urban Meyer and Nick Saban are equally to blame for bad decisions because BB is incapable of resisting the opinions of others who add players to his team after likely recommendations.

As for McDaniels' perceived 'ego', your conclusion is based on what? The fact you swallow the rumors indicates you are just grasping for negative stories to support your unfounded 'belief'. As an FYI, Brandon Marshall is a notorious head case who occasionally flashes what should be Calvin Johnson level abilities. He jumps teams because he is an undisciplined jackass, not because he is a mild mannered soul just looking to work and was driven out by the unfair, egotistical McDaniels. As for Cutler, he is a poor copy of Brett Favre who apparently believes he is MVP material. Even Denver, which has only recently been warming up to the possibility that McDaniels was not as bad as believed, accepts that Cutler wanted out before McDaniels was hired. If you are dumb enough to claim you are better in any respect than Hall of Famer John Elway when playing in Denver for the Broncos, then you are a fairly ignorant QB. Rumored problems with Deion Branch? Never heard of them. Branch held out and shot his way out of New England after a money dispute. If you are claiming McDaniels's ego had something to do with that, then I would love to hear your source.

In the end, you acknowledge BB is not an idiot yet somehow McDaniels is manipulating this non-idiot into repeatedly making what you believe to be bad decisions. There is no other way to read it than BB's incompetence in running the Pats. Any boss that sits around for 6 years and lets an underling damage the organization, with full knowledge of the situation, is an incompetent boss.

And you don't like McDaniels because of his 'ego', yet the situations you cite speak little to issues arising as a result of ego but rather problem children encountered by McDaniels (not Branch, as I have no clue as to what that reference might be) who remain problem children to this day. Pure conspiracy theory.

I guess if we petition the Pats to fire McDaniels, then the mystical anti-Lombardi curse will be lifted, and the Pats will return to 2003-2004 glory with titles in hand until the day BB retires. The sun will finally be able to pierce the clouds, and we fans will bask in its glory. I assume we can go back to the grand days of 2009 without McDaniels, when the Pats last hoisted the Lombardi in McDaniels's absence (What, no Lombardi in 2009? How is that possible?). It will be a sort of exorcism, after which players will all execute the designed plays and former glory will be restored to Patriots nation. As stated previously, if that brings you comfort then go with it.
 
The people who are ignoring the issues with the offense are the ones that don’t know **** about the offense, otherwise they would not be foolish enough to sit here and defend the offensive coordinator that’s team has scored under 15 points in 3 of its last 10 contests and scored more than 30 points just 1 time.

This is the sort of posting that turned you into a laughingstock in that other thread. You can't, or won't, grasp differences between "input" and "command", differences between "correlation" and "causation", or the differences between an offensive system and a specific offensive play. You also can't seem to grasp the importance of timing in a timing offense, precision in a precision offense, or the huge importance of both precision and timing in an offense predicated on both.

If you want to keep clowning yourself, have it it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that your sentence above can easily be flipped into pointing out that the same O.C. you're *****ing about has had the Patriots offense scoring at a top 5 all-time clip twice in 4 years as the team's offensive coordinator.

Then again, being rational on this point pretty clearly isn't on your agenda, which is why you've been so roundly destroyed on this issue, so I'll leave you for others to toy with.
 
hear hear!

I think the OP has a point. Maybe call some quick slants or something instead of having brady try to drop back and force the ball to gronkowski.

Be creative. If what you're doing isn't working don't keep doing it. Their DL was overmatching Brady so stop with the deep ball throws that brady can't make anyway.

I have an even better idea, just run the freaking ball when you are up by by double digits in the second half.
 
This is the sort of posting that turned you into a laughingstock in that other thread. You can't, or won't, grasp differences between "input" and "command", differences between "correlation" and "causation", or the differences between an offensive system and a specific offensive play. You also can't seem to grasp the importance of timing in a timing offense, precision in a precision offense, or the huge importance of both precision and timing in an offense predicated on both.

If you want to keep clowning yourself, have it it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that your sentence above can easily be flipped into pointing out that the same O.C. you're *****ing about has had the Patriots offense scoring at a top 5 all-time clip twice in 4 years as the team's offensive coordinator.

Then again, being rational on this point pretty clearly isn't on your agenda, which is why you've been so roundly destroyed on this issue, so I'll leave you for others to toy with.

2005: 23.7 PPG
2006: 24.2 PPG
2008: 25.6 PPG
2009: 20.4 PPG
2010: 21.5 PPG
2011: 12.1 PPG
2013: 21.7 PPG


He may not have had the title offensive coordinator but he has basically had the responsibility of it since the start of 2005, during that period of time this is what he did without some type of combination that included Brady, Moss and Welker or Brady, Gronkowski and Welker. So it is a laughing stock to say that unless you give McDaniels a Tom Brady at quarterback, the best slot receiver to ever play the game and a complete physical freak that cannot be covered 1on1 he is not a very good offensive coordinator and his teams check in at an average to below average level? If so call me you can call me a laughing stock all you want pal.

You’re not being rational you’re being foolish and mistaking Tom Brady being paired with a top 2 physical specimen (Moss or Gronkowski) and the best slot wide receiver in the game (Welker) for Josh McDaniels being a good offensive coordinator and giving him credit for doing something just about anyone who could hold a clipboard could do. That is a fail and I cannot understand why in a city that just witness the Valentine to Farrell situation unfold that there would be so many fans trying to put this clear failure by the offensive coordinator on the individual players, players like Tom Brady who’s bodies of work clearly show that what they are as players.

Your way off base with this D, and to speculate that I am clowning around is downright idiotic, you have not offered anything to discredit anything, you’ve hung your hat on 2007’s dream team and what he was able to do early on with O’Brien’s offense last season, and hide behind the belief that Belichick controls everything which not humanly possible, he certainly lets his coordinators have input on personnel decisions and suggesting otherwise is silly.
 
This is the sort of posting that turned you into a laughingstock in that other thread. You can't, or won't, grasp differences between "input" and "command", differences between "correlation" and "causation", or the differences between an offensive system and a specific offensive play. You also can't seem to grasp the importance of timing in a timing offense, precision in a precision offense, or the huge importance of both precision and timing in an offense predicated on both.

If you want to keep clowning yourself, have it it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that your sentence above can easily be flipped into pointing out that the same O.C. you're *****ing about has had the Patriots offense scoring at a top 5 all-time clip twice in 4 years as the team's offensive coordinator.

Then again, being rational on this point pretty clearly isn't on your agenda, which is why you've been so roundly destroyed on this issue, so I'll leave you for others to toy with.
Take a look at these numbers before you say my despair for McDaniels is unmerited or going to cause me to become a laughing stock.

Tom Brady era:

With McDaniels: .753 wins percentage, 0-1 in Super Bowl.
Without McDaniels: .761 wins percentage, 3-1 in Super Bowl.

I did remove 2008 from McDaniel’s won/loss percentage, and the difference might seem minimal but keep in mind that one of the seasons under McDaniels was the 18-1 season take that out and it drops to a .695 win percentage under McDaniels. Most importantly Brady went to the Super Bowl in 4 of the 7 seasons without McDaniels, won a Super Bowl in 3 of those years, with McDaniels in he has been to 1 Super Bowl in 5 years and he lost. Since you could easily make the case that the most talented offenses were during the McDaniels era these results are even more disappointing.
 
Take a look at these numbers before you say my despair for McDaniels is unmerited or going to cause me to become a laughing stock.

Tom Brady era:

With McDaniels: .753 wins percentage, 0-1 in Super Bowl.
Without McDaniels: .761 wins percentage, 3-1 in Super Bowl.

I did remove 2008 from McDaniel’s won/loss percentage, and the difference might seem minimal but keep in mind that one of the seasons under McDaniels was the 18-1 season take that out and it drops to a .695 win percentage under McDaniels. Most importantly Brady went to the Super Bowl in 4 of the 7 seasons without McDaniels, won a Super Bowl in 3 of those years, with McDaniels in he has been to 1 Super Bowl in 5 years and he lost. Since you could easily make the case that the most talented offenses were during the McDaniels era these results are even more disappointing.
You are really really reaching now. Nothing different than those guys who says pats have zero SB's after spygate. You realize the offensive rules have changed over the last 10+ yrs ? Teams are different, schemes are different. One of the hallmark of the pats on offense is how they have stayed ahead of the curve and not just kept stuck to one thing . We all know you despise McDaniels but you are really being ridiculous now. No one can argue with this crap anymore .
 
You are really really reaching now. Nothing different than those guys who says pats have zero SB's after spygate. You realize the offensive rules have changed over the last 10+ yrs ? Teams are different, schemes are different. One of the hallmark of the pats on offense is how they have stayed ahead of the curve and not just kept stuck to one thing . We all know you despise McDaniels but you are really being ridiculous now. No one can argue with this crap anymore .

I am not reaching the guy is not a good coach, he is an arrogant douche who chases star players away year after year and tries to fill the room with JAGs or players with character flaws that he can hold over their head, he is lazy and attempts to just recruit players rather than taking the time needed to teach, and without Brady is a guy who went 12-20 as a head coach and then 2-14 with the 32ND ranked offense as an offensive coordinator. My despair aside what I say is factual and valid, if you want to argue it that’s fine but you’re not looking at the metrics and judging off of that you’re judging on emotion.
 
Bob O'Brien losing 63 -7 against Ohio state. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
I am not reaching the guy is not a good coach, he is an arrogant douche who chases star players away year after year and tries to fill the room with JAGs or players with character flaws that he can hold over their head, he is lazy and attempts to just recruit players rather than taking the time needed to teach, and without Brady is a guy who went 12-20 as a head coach and then 2-14 with the 32ND ranked offense as an offensive coordinator. My despair aside what I say is factual and valid, if you want to argue it that’s fine but you’re not looking at the metrics and judging off of that you’re judging on emotion.

whatever......
 
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