OT: Chiefs, 49ers trade 1st-round WRs

[ctpatsfan77]

Chiefs trade Jon Baldwin to 49ers for A.J. Jenkins, according to reports - Arrowhead Pride

Baldwin was a 2011 first for the Chiefs.
Jenkins was last year's first for the 9ers.

 

[Big-T]

AJ Jenkins, what a waste of a pick by the 49ers.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Any bust safety we can trade Tavon for?

 

[manxman2601]

Credit to Baalke. He might have missed on the pick but at least he showed no hesitation in moving on.

 

[jah]

Surprised the 49ers didn't give up anything else, even a late round pick, for Baldwin. He might be a bust, but at least he was able to catch some passes for his old team, which Jenkins could not do.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Chiefs trade Jon Baldwin to 49ers for A.J. Jenkins, according to reports - Arrowhead Pride

Baldwin was a 2011 first for the Chiefs.
Jenkins was last year's first for the 9ers.

I'm confused. According to this forum everyone EXCEPT BB is great at drafting WRs. And 1st round picks to boot!

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I'm confused. According to this forum everyone EXCEPT BB is great at drafting WRs. And 1st round picks to boot!

In Holley's book The War Room BB told Dimitroff not to trade for Julio Jones and pick Baldwin instead. Said Baldwin was just as good.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm confused. According to this forum everyone EXCEPT BB is great at drafting WRs. And 1st round picks to boot!

Baldwin is the one BB said was as good as Julio Jones wasn't he? And did BB say that or did he mean in terms of value?

 

[jah]

In Holley's book The War Room BB told Dimitroff not to trade for Julio Jones and pick Baldwin instead. Said Baldwin was just as good.

You never know how much the system affects a player's success/failure. He could be "just as good" for the Patriots or Falcons, but not the Chiefs. Or maybe BB was just trying to sabotage the Falcons

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

You never know how much the system affects a player's success/failure. He could be "just as good" for the Patriots or Falcons, but not the Chiefs. Or maybe BB was just trying to sabotage the Falcons

He can't catch, system doesn't matter if you can't. Maybe he should be paired with Tebow.

 

[Sicilian]

In Holley's book The War Room BB told Dimitroff not to trade for Julio Jones and pick Baldwin instead. Said Baldwin was just as good.

Which is a meaningless anecdote without knowing how many times BB has thought the same thing about two players and wound up being right. Anyone can look good or bad if you look at their best or worst evaluation in a vacuum.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Which is a meaningless anecdote without knowing how many times BB has thought the same thing about two players and wound up being right. Anyone can look good or bad if you look at their best or worst evaluation in a vacuum.

It's a statement of fact, settle down.

 

[Brady6]

I'm confused. According to this forum everyone EXCEPT BB is great at drafting WRs. And 1st round picks to boot!

Belichick was very high on Baldwin:jaw:

 

[RodThePat]

Which is a meaningless anecdote without knowing how many times BB has thought the same thing about two players and wound up being right. Anyone can look good or bad if you look at their best or worst evaluation in a vacuum.

No one is trying to attribute meaning to it, the guy was just relating an interesting tidbit he read. Not everything is a dig at Belichick, chill.

 

[manxman2601]

Belichick was very high on Baldwin:jaw:

Was he high on Baldwin or not so high on Jones?

 

[Nehalem]

wikipedia is great:

A. J. Jenkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In his rookie regular season he played in only 37 offensive snaps and was targeted with a pass just once, which he dropped

On August 19, 2013, Jenkins was traded to Kansas City for wide receiver Jon Baldwin.Both players suck.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Belichick was very high on Baldwin:jaw:

I assume you're referring to this quote?

Belichick advised against Julio Jones trade - NFC South Blog - ESPN

The cost of moving from No. 27 to No. 6 was sending that No. 27 pick, along with second- and fourth-round choices this year and first and fourth-round picks in 2012 to Cleveland. Belichick told Dimitroff to sit still and take Jonathan Baldwin at No. 27. As it turned out Baldwin went to the Chiefs at No. 26.

It appears that Belichick had a reasonably high opinion of Baldwin (thought he was worth a late first rounder). But there are a couple of ways that you could construe that. All that we really know is that Belichick thought taking Baldwin at 27 was better value than taking Julio Jones at the cost of a 1st, a 2nd, a 4th, and a 1st and a 4th the following year.

I think it's a stretch to take from that that Belichick was "very high" on Baldwin. We can reasonably infer that Belichick thought he was a pretty good prospect, but that equation has two sides. The other side is that he presumably hated the value behind spending two firsts, two fourths, and a second on one WR.

EDIT: Oops, forgot about this quote:

Fascinating, too, is the discussion of last spring's Julio Jones trade. Blank urged Dimitroff to feel out his friends in the business to see if the trades makes as much sense to them as it does to the Falcons. Dimitroff called Belichick. "As a friend,'' Belichick told him, "I wouldn't do it.'' His advice was to not move up 21 picks in the first round, with all the attendant costs, to get Jones. Stick where you are, and take a good receiver like Pitt's Jonathan Baldwin. He's just as good, Belichick says.

Ok, that's a lot more black and white. If Belichick thought that Baldwin was just as good as Jones, then he was definitely wrong about one of them. It'll be interesting to see if Baldwin can do a little better with Kaepernick throwing him the ball--I really like this trade for the 49ers--but at the very least we can all agree that he's no Julio Jones by a long shot.

 

[Sicilian]

It's a statement of fact, settle down.

No one is trying to attribute meaning to it, the guy was just relating an interesting tidbit he read. Not everything is a dig at Belichick, chill.

Yeah, probably jumped the gun on that one. My apologies. Been a cranky morning for me, carry on.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Amazing how an undrafted rookie probably could of got us Jonathan Baldwin in a trade, and it still be a bad move for us.

I love the NFL meritocracy.

 

[BradyFTW!]

wikipedia is great:

A. J. Jenkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Has since been revised to read:

On August 19, 2013, Jenkins was traded to Kansas City for wide receiver Jon Baldwin in a deal deemed one man's trash for another man's trash by reporters

Not sure if that's better or worse, haha.