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Training Camp Thread 8/14/2013



If you have ever been to a practice then those comments should not be of a surprise. In a pileup such as the one that occurred today it would indeed be very difficult to definitively say exactly what happened. The angle from where the media sits (end zone and low to the field) make it difficult to immediately determine what happened.

It's not like a game when we all have the benefit of a dozen slow motion replays from multiple angles seconds after the play.
 
If you have ever been to a practice then those comments should not be of a surprise. In a pileup such as the one that occurred today it would indeed be very difficult to definitively say exactly what happened. The angle from where the media sits (end zone and low to the field) make it difficult to immediately determine what happened.

It's not like a game when we all have the benefit of a dozen slow motion replays from multiple angles seconds after the play.

hahahaha. Come on man.

First you pester us over interpretation, where you seem to be the only one who doesn't interpret it like everyone else.

Then you beg for sources definitively saying there was no contact. I give you those.

Now this?

I'm moving on.
 
hahahaha. Come on man. First you bug us for sources and now you resort to this?

Moving on.

From what I was reading on twitter Brady went down in a pileup.

To me it was obvious there was some form of contact.




Apologies for "bugging" you or offering an explanation as to why I feel the expectations of some for both immediate and also completely accurate information are unreasonably high.


Moving on as well...
 
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jfc here we go. Look I get it, you're in catching people out mode. No matter what answers you get you're gonna shift goalposts and nit it up so I'm only gonna do this once.

First, the radio guys were all saying it was non-contact when it first happened. I'm not sure why you think this would be made up.

Mike Reiss ?@MikeReiss 2h
On the play where Tom Brady remained down, if was a sideline pass to Aaron Dobson that was incomplete. Didn't see any contact w/ Brady.

here's SMY apologizing for saying what you claim she didn't say (she even says "we" hmmm)

shalise manza young ?@shalisemyoung 1h
so apologies for saying we didn't think Brady got hit...but he did play a few snaps after getting rolled up on, then walked off on own power

since you were too lazy to bother looking these up on your own, and indignant even when pointed towards them, I'm not going to bother digging up more. Needless to say, before the video surfaced not a single media member reported that there was contact or a pile up or anything.

So onto the apologist stuff....

That's a bit of a stretch in my opinion, but if you feel that way then follow another writer. Check out writers for the 31 other NFL teams for perspective; I think your expectations are unreasonably high.

what does this even mean? I didn't mention a specific writer that I follow, I am aware of what is produced by pretty much all of them. Really the only ones that are worth a damn are guys like Brian Burke but I'm guessing you have no clue who he is. I'm sure the beat writers for 31 other teams are similar or worse, the point is that the industry does not incentivize actual football reporting, unless you think someone like Greg Bedard dreams of bringing his heavyweight analysis to 98.5 or ESPN to shake things up with talk about route trees and blitz packages instead of "zomgTebow!@11"


Actually the Patriots forbid the Pats beat writers from tweeting during practice. The in-practice info is almost exclusively from fans, or in today's case Tampa Bay beat writers.

This is just pure nittery. First of all as today shows this is not enforced and routinely ignored. Second it doesn't matter whether they tweet during or after. Read any analysis of a WR or a OT or whatever written by a beat reporter and find me one instance of it not being based entirely on 2-3 "big" plays that fans also tweeted about. Find me the sick beat reporter who's talking about how Boyce's routes looked, what he ran etc. or how Svitek's technique faredin run v. pass protection. Guys like Reiss and Yates are probably the cream of the crop in this regard and their "analysis" is mediocre at best.

I think Reiss is a good guy who works hard, so I don't want to pick on him, but as the best of what's out there an example is this Collins piece:

Top pick Collins rises up on D - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

What's missing? Oh yeah, reporting on how Collins actually performed...

Have you ever been to practice? It's entirely different from a game.

I've been to at least 2 practices each of the last 3 years. This year I've only made it to 1 but I hope to make it to another. Part of my disdain for the media as a whole is bolstered by watching them sit around on their own private hill not paying any attention to anything (often times wandering off for extended periods of time) and then flocking to get their soundbites after practice (which is all sports reporting is about).

For example, it is virtually impossible to get a good read on who is and is not doing well on the OL and DL. You can't sack the QB, so it is tough to assess the defense. You're nearly at field level, so there's not the same perspective when you sit high and can see the entire field. And there's no big screen or slow motion replays to help you out with either.

I would say this is true sometimes, it certainly isn't true in these joint practices or in the second half of intra-squad practice when they scrimmage. And the bleachers rise as does the hill the media sits on, what do you think the coaches are looking at?

It all depends on who you follow to reach that conclusion.

If you translate "football knowledge" into "sports entertainment" knowledge you're correct. But otherwise no it doesn't. They know about the players and what he said about him and is he going to win MVP and where he went to school etc. because that's what gets talked about on national and local radio etc. and that's what gets conditioned as important. Mike Reiss didn't even know what Cover 2 was. Not important to the job description.


Right........

shalise manza young ?@shalisemyoung 2h
unfortunately it seems none of my colleagues (nor I) saw exactly what happened to Brady...we know he did not take a hit
 
When I see a comment that implies that 'all (fill in the blank) do this', and then reach a speculative conclusion then I consider it to be excessive hyperbole.

Back to your original comment, where you lump every single reporter together:

All this does is confirm that the media doesnt actually watch the plays. They're more interested in chatting with each other about whatever superficial narratives they're gonna run with and then look up occasionally when the crowd reacts to a "big play." Then they tweet about it as if they're following something. Thats why this or that player's "good" or "bad" practice is just a summary of two to three plays they happened to tweet about and often is completely different from one reporter to the next. No football knowledge or interest required in this industry, its not what makes you successful.

Not a single reporter was watching the play. Not one.



In my opinion the expectations that you have on what should be reported from a training camp practice is unrealistic. While we all would like information that is instantaneous, 100% accurate, and containing in-depth analysis, that's just not realistic.

That's the nuts and bolts to all of this.

That's my opinion, and you disagree.
 
hahahaha. Come on man.

First you pester us over interpretation, where you seem to be the only one who doesn't interpret it like everyone else.

Then you beg for sources definitively saying there was no contact. I give you those.

Now this?

I'm moving on.

Unless I missed one, none of your sources actually backed up the "untouched/no contact" claim. The SMY tweet, for example, doesn't make that claim.
 
I saw the play unfold...I still didn't see what happened...I saw the Tampa D lineman bullrush Solder and then Brady was on the ground grabbing his kneecap area. There was no intent, no dirty play past a whistle, no contact by the D lineman on Brady. A freak injury. It is what it...well ...you know.

Brady was wearing the no contact red jersey FWIW
 
Anyway, sounds like the secondary had a pretty good day.
 
Unless I missed one, none of your sources actually backed up the "untouched/no contact" claim. The SMY tweet, for example, doesn't make that claim.

That's what you get for taking the coward's route and putting me on ignore, you get egg on your face again.
 
Sudfeld was a beast (receiving) again today.
 
Was at practice yesterday and what stood out, besides that these receivers may be the real deal, was the nastiness and attitude of Talib. He vascillates between being a hyperactive sideline cheerleader and a very nasty D back, he got into a few tussles on the field... watching him yesterday reminded me of #37.... he seems very confident.
 
Training Camp video from August 14, 2013. Last one of the season for me. Includes a bad angle shot from some distance of Brady's injury.

Video
 
At 21:15 in the video Brady hurts his knee. The next few plays show Mallet in for one and Brady back for a few more looking just fine.
 

Both Q.Sims and G.Winn both seem like great PS guys that have the potential to develop into more through learing this scheme. Hopefully we can get them AND keep them there with no other team showing interest.
 
Both Q.Sims and G.Winn both seem like great PS guys that have the potential to develop into more through learing this scheme. Hopefully we can get them AND keep them there with no other team showing interest.

and then WHAT?...are we gonna hold them close and cuddle them and whisper in their precious little ears??....bust azz and push to make the 53!!! I hate the practice squad and everything to do with it...expand the dyam rosters and crapcan this stupid exercise in futility...oooohhh noes...I don't wanna expose X because Y will raid us and take him!!..har har har ..I raided their practice squad and screwed them good!! Har Har!!...just stop with this top heavy abortion of a rule...what's next, Goondell comes up with "special" overseas practice squads?...or advance squads to scope out the nooks and crannies of Amsterdam's red light district?...we drafted 'em...WE saw the potential...we should be able to keep them at least for a season...krist, this always jerks my chain
 
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