Pats Interested In Mike Wallace (per Miami Herald's Armando Salguero)

[ctpatsfan77]

BB may simply be driving up the price Miami will pay.

I'm good with that.

BB would never fake interest in a player just to mess with other teams in the division.

Just ask Pat White and Vernon Gholston.

 

[RodThePat]

Ya I didn't say go after "all the top tier players" One or two of them versus 5 jags. Show me the Lombardis your value has won, show me a team that has won a super bowl with a secondary as bad as ours, show me a team that has won a super bowl without a receiver that can catch the ball beyond 15 yards.

Hows the Kool Aid taste ?

Are you for real? "Show me the Lombardis value has won"?? Ahm, how about 2001, 2003 and 2004? In 2007 we got the most sought after free agent defensive player, acquired the greatest deep threat receiver of all time, alongside arguably the greatest slot receiver of all time. How many Lombardis did that strategy win us? See how using championships as the sole basis for success is a ridiculous argument? Of all the recent Superbowl champions, I can't recall a single one who spent a lot of money in the offseason prior to their title. I'm not saying value is the only option to build a team, I actually believe that on a team with as few holes as the Patriots have, it's better to spend more on a couple of impact players, but let's not pretend that the "value" strategy hasn't paid dividends for us in the past.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Are you for real? "Show me the Lombardis value has won"?? Ahm, how about 2001, 2003 and 2004? In 2007 we got the most sought after free agent defensive player, acquired the greatest deep threat receiver of all time, alongside arguably the greatest slot receiver of all time. How many Lombardis did that strategy win us? See how using championships as the sole basis for success is a ridiculous argument? Of all the recent Superbowl champions, I can't recall a single one who spent a lot of money in the offseason prior to their title. I'm not saying value is the only option to build a team, I actually believe that on a team with as few holes as the Patriots have, it's better to spend more on a couple of impact players, but let's not pretend that the "value" strategy hasn't paid dividends for us in the past.

I obviously mean after 2004 when we had an elite quarterback making pennies and tons of talent drafted by Parcells.

Every team is different we have few holes and tons of money, go fill them with impact play makers. Not bargain dumpster guys that have a >50% bust rate.

 

[Patsgofor4]

I would of taken a risk on Denario Alexander if the Chargers wouldn't of put a 1st round tender on him. 6-5, runs good routes, up and coming player. Very smart of San Diego.

They didn't. They gave him the lowest tender, only gives them the right to match any offer.

Danario Alexander - San Diego Chargers - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

He's a beast. The obvious question is how long will his knee last. The Bolts will likely match a 1 year offer and he will unlikely get more that that duration.

 

[primetime]

Of all the recent Superbowl champions, I can't recall a single one who spent a lot of money in the offseason prior to their title.

Or any recent offseason, really. Perennial contenders don't splash for free agents. Try to recall a big ticket free agent signing from any of this year's contenders (besides Peyton Manning, but HOF-caliber QBs are the exception that prove the rule). The best I can do is Justin Smith, and San Francisco got him on pretty good value since he had toiled away on a mediocre team in a small market for most of his career.

 

[Ring 6]

My view is to not get excited about any of the high end guys we're 99% not getting them. Bill will cheap out sign 3 guys for the price of every top free agent we could get and hope they stick. As Ocho, Haynesworth (i know trades but same concept), Fanane, Gregory, Scott have shown usually they're worthless.

I'm expecting Freeney and Reed as our "huge signings"

I know this franchise has been mismanaged for so long its pathetic. Imagine if BB listened to what you want. Where would we be?

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Theres no way I could justify spending $12 million or so a year for Wallace based on his previous production. I'd rather he just go to Miami or wherever and strap their cap at that kind of deal. I would have paid Bowe that much, but not Wallace.

I'll trust BB to navigate and lead us through this FA madness. He always does.

 

[Nunchucks]

Lot o people are gonna be pissed off if the Pats sign Wallace.

 

[Brady6]

Pats Interested In Mike Wallace(per Armando Salguero)

He's a significant upgrade over welker

2 different players and positional roles.. Wallace isn't a better slot receiver than Welker just like Welker isn't a better outside receiver than Wallace. Which player is a better WR is really dependent on the teams scheme and what it relies on more. At this time a slot WR is used much more in our offense so I can't agree Wallace is an upgrade for us.

I do think if retained Welker and then signed Wallace to replace Lloyd we'd be making a tremendous upgrade. Or you sign Wallace and Amendola in which case you'd be downgrading your slot WR but upgrading your outside WR. Really comes down to the vision for the offense in 2013-14

 

[Brady6]

Pats Interested In Mike Wallace(per Armando Salguero)

They didn't. They gave him the lowest tender, only gives them the right to match any offer.

Danario Alexander - San Diego Chargers - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

He's a beast. The obvious question is how long will his knee last. The Bolts will likely match a 1 year offer and he will unlikely get more that that duration.

JM had him in STL. Didn't think highly of him..

 

[Deus Irae]

The time to get Wallace was last year. This year, the draft has tall, fast WRs, so that's the place to go for the "deep" threat. Let Wallace catch passes from Tannehill for the next few years. I wish him well except when it comes to him playing the Patriots or his team actually winning games.

 

[mgteich]

I understand your position of wanting to use this draft to find a wide receiver. IMHO, this would require 2 early picks as we did recently for RB and for TE.

The open question is what Belichick will do before the draft. Surely, Belichick will not go into the draft counting on drafting rookie starters. Clearly, we will not sign Wallace if we keep our own (Welker, Lloyd and Edelman).

The time to get Wallace was last year. This year, the draft has tall, fast WRs, so that's the place to go for the "deep" threat. Let Wallace catch passes from Tannehill for the next few years. I wish him well except when it comes to him playing the Patriots or his team actually winning games.

 

[VJCPatriot]

BTW, Wallace obviously isn't a top 5 WR or worth 10-12 million a year, but I think he get's bashed unfairly here.

He's a guy who has averaged 59 receptions 1,011 yards and 8 TDs over his first four years of his career as a 4th round pick. He's looking like a guy who will have a 600 reception 10,000 yard 80 TD career if he stays healthy, his speed certainly doesn't let him just do all of that by itself.

That's 3rd round pick. We took Brandon Tate with the selection just ahead of him. And no, it's hard to let that go!!! What were they thinking?? ::ugh::

 

[Sciz]

That's 3rd round pick. We took Brandon Tate with the selection just ahead of him. And no, it's hard to let that go!!! What were they thinking?? ::ugh::

Considering the average team passed on Wallace three times, that should give you some idea about how he was viewed as a prospect. Fast with a lot of work needed on his routes, a scouting report that hasn't really changed since he entered the NFL.

 

[Brady2Moss]

I know this franchise has been mismanaged for so long its pathetic. Imagine if BB listened to what you want. Where would we be?

Show me the Lombardis since 04. Enjoy the Kool Aid.

 

[patfanken]

I obviously mean after 2004 when we had an elite quarterback making pennies and tons of talent drafted by Parcells.

Every team is different we have few holes and tons of money, go fill them with impact play makers. Not bargain dumpster guys that have a >50% bust rate.

Tons of talent drafted by Parcells....? Are you delusional? who besides Law was still on the Pats in 2004 who Parcell's drafted With every post you lose more and more credibility. Stop and think for a second, man. before you hit "submit reply"

 

[patfanken]

BTW, Wallace obviously isn't a top 5 WR or worth 10-12 million a year, but I think he get's bashed unfairly here.

He's a guy who has averaged 59 receptions 1,011 yards and 8 TDs over his first four years of his career as a 4th round pick. He's looking like a guy who will have a 600 reception 10,000 yard 80 TD career if he stays healthy, his speed certainly doesn't let him just do all of that by itself.

I don't think anyone here thinks that Wallace is a bad receiver (although some Steeler fans might disagree with me). Just one who is vastly over rated (mostly by himself), and definitely not worth the money he's seeking and will probably get.

For 3-5MM/yr I'd take him in a second, but if I had to pay $10/yr for a WR, I'd much rather give it to Welker than Wallace, even at his advance years.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Tons of talent drafted by Parcells....? Are you delusional? who besides Law was still on the Pats in 2004 who Parcell's drafted With every post you lose more and more credibility. Stop and think for a second, man. before you hit "submit reply"

You really going to act like 01, 03 weren't parcell's players? I'm not going to take the time to go through but a lot of those key players were Parcell's or free agents that Bill hit on, which he hasn't done for years now. Draftings been crap too up until 2010 since the last super bowl.

By the way Wallace has reached an agreement in principal with the Dolphins 5 years 60 million according to Incarcerated Bob, who you will all say is a moron and then disappear when it turns out he was right.

Bill probably offered him 7 million per

 

[patsinthesnow]

I don't think anyone here thinks that Wallace is a bad receiver (although some Steeler fans might disagree with me). Just one who is vastly over rated (mostly by himself), and definitely not worth the money he's seeking and will probably get.

For 3-5MM/yr I'd take him in a second, but if I had to pay $10/yr for a WR, I'd much rather give it to Welker than Wallace, even at his advance years.

Well said. He's a top 8-12 WR that wants top 3 WR money and thinks he's a top 3 WR. Still doesn't change the fact he's very good.

The whole Steelers offense was pedestrian last season, Steelers fans can go blame Big Ben for getting injured once again and playing bad towards the end of the season.

Comparing Wallace's seasons as a starting WR to Welker as a Patriot:

Wallace avg: 65 receptions 1095 yards 9TDs 16.9 Y/R
Welker avg: 112 receptions 1,243 yards 6TDs 11.1 Y/R

Welkers clearly superior, but Wallace is no slouch. They are completely different WRs. If Wallace can't find his top 3 WR money and the choice would be 8mil for Welker or 8mil for Wallace, I'd have to think about it.

 

[Deus Irae]

You really going to act like 01, 03 weren't parcell's players? I'm not going to take the time to go through but a lot of those key players were Parcell's or free agents that Bill hit on, which he hasn't done for years now. Draftings been crap too up until 2010 since the last super bowl.

By the way Wallace has reached an agreement in principal with the Dolphins 5 years 60 million according to Incarcerated Bob, who you will all say is a moron and then disappear when it turns out he was right.

Bill probably offered him 7 million per

Which year did Parcells draft Brady?