NFL conspiracy theory?

[JR4]

I was away for a few days but when I left I had thought this thread was
dead. But I am amazed ... there are some people who can step out their
preconditioned view of reality and dare to question their established way
of thinking. People who are willing to re-examine their established precepts.

I was one of you who considered a NFL conspiracy to be absurd.
I had many of the same ideas that many of you have even to this day.
I believe the reason I held on to those beliefs was that if "fixing" was a reality
then I would not be able to enjoy this activity any longer.

So I resisted changing my point of view by accumulating many
reasons ( mostly unsubstantiated ) why there were no fixes in NFL. But
after people kept after me about this my disbelief began to turn to doubt.
Could I absolutely be sure there were no fixes?

Answer : No. and for one major reason.
The Reaon there has to be doubt is BILLIONs of dollars are involved.

In a game like the Superbowl there are BILLIONs of dollars involved. National media
is driven by how big an audience they can attract by
offering certain programming. The SuperBowl is not just about the Chicago
or New York market. It is about the Whole World Market. The polls went
out and the vast majority wanted to see a Ravens vs 49ers SuperBowl.
Guess what ... that is what they got.

Now several people have given reasons that tend to substantiate a
NFL conspiracy theory but there is no unequivocal proof that it is true.
As some one said a good conspiracy is very difficult to prove.
There was some kinda of proof that went like
" if it doesn't fit you must acquit". If that were the way I decide on truth
then I would be delusional.

Several people want this thread moved or locked but credit to the moderators for allowing free expression.
This is a topic that is important to all of us fans and it directly concerns
the state of American Football today.

Peace to all those with ruffled feathers. I can still enjoy the game of football
as long as I don't expect a certain outcome.
It is entertainment and there are magnificent thrilling plays seen in every game.

 

[Ivan]

4. Tom Brady. Think about his body language. Did he seem like
he was really playing to win? To me he didn't have that fire in his eyes.
His body language seemed to say " I already know what the outcome will be .. so why try hard .. I'll just do what I'm paid to do"


Thoughts?

My thought on this is that it is a bizarre idea. Anyone who has played sports has been involved in many games where they thought the officiating sucked, and if that's it took for Brady to check out then hang them up now. And if he believes or has knowledge of an actual conspiracy then he would have a real obligation to say something. beyond that there is absolutely no way all of these players are working the way they do and taking the punishment they take if they really believe the outcome is rigged

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I do believe that many (if not most) NFL games are rigged. There are hundreds of millions of dollars gambled on each game and the refs get paid peanuts--you do the math.

It is easy for a ref to fix a game and it is through holding calls. Holding happens on every play and the ref can change the momentum of a game through some strategic holding calls--this was most obvious during the first Patriots / Ravens game. The Patriots had the Ravens reeling but bogus holding calls switched the momentum.

Also lack of holding calls can also influence a game. Notice how the Ravens got few if any holding calls in the last game

 

[JR4]

My thought on this is that it is a bizarre idea. Anyone who has played sports has been involved in many games where they thought the officiating sucked, and if that's it took for Brady to check out then hang them up now. And if he believes or has knowledge of an actual conspiracy then he would have a real obligation to say something. beyond that there is absolutely no way all of these players are working the way they do and taking the punishment they take if they really believe the outcome is rigged

some good point here but I see this as a possibility:

1. TB didn't really know how the game was going to be called. But by the
end of the first half having seen his receivers often being mugged. he knew
how the game was going. Would he say something?
Like you and me he has no proof.

2. Players even if they thought the game was fixed will still play hard.
Why? because most will earn more in one year than others earn in 10 years. Also their job is on the line ... they must play at a high level to
continue getting that great salary.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Fixed for sure and you can tell all with Brady. Never was fired up like the texans game or niners. The problem now is $, and only a key player (s) coach and refs will know. Brady new. Seems like every game the pats have low points, Brady isn't Brady like which is fired up. Just like the SB last year, Brady gets a safety on the 1st play. That's not Brady. It's all storylines and $. I know several people that are non pats fans and don't buy the 13 points. Did anyone watch last years AFCCG compared to this one. Brady was fired up, not this years AFCCG.


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[BrickPat]

Don't you guys see? Sure the FBI took down the mafia and Bernie Madoff but Roger G. is too powerful to be stopped!


We have a pandemic of utter and unrelenting stupidity in this thread.

Tin Foil Hat Philosophy 101:

Controversial call goes against Pats = conspiracy!

Controversial call favors Pats = great and noble call!

I'm guessing there was a similar black helicopter waterhead thread on the Raiders messageboard after the tuck game of '01.

 

[Wolfpack]

I do believe that many (if not most) NFL games are rigged. There are hundreds of millions of dollars gambled on each game and the refs get paid peanuts--you do the math.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked that other guy: If you honestly believe that, then why in the world are you a fan of the sport? Why come here to contribute thoughts on the recent games?

 

[Quientus]

I joined the forum because I've been a rabid football fan since I was seven years old, and I've been trying against all reason for several years now to deny what any rational adult who has eyes to see can't help but see, and the game last Sunday was crushing to me because I finally realized I can no longer support the sham, and I thought I would find kindred souls on a Patriots forum, people who saw what happened to our favorite team, and could commiserate, and perhaps even start a movement for change.

To the small handful of rational adults who posted on the thread: thank you for being decent, honest human beings.

To the rest of you braying mockers:

John 8:44
Proverbs 19:29
Isaiah 29:20

Last but definitely not least:

Matthew 12:36

I leave you to your deluded foolishness.

Child, please ...

Seriously ? This is your retort ? /sigh

I was away for a few days but when I left I had thought this thread was
dead. But I am amazed ... there are some people who can step out their
preconditioned view of reality and dare to question their established way
of thinking. People who are willing to re-examine their established precepts.

I was one of you who considered a NFL conspiracy to be absurd.
I had many of the same ideas that many of you have even to this day.
I believe the reason I held on to those beliefs was that if "fixing" was a reality
then I would not be able to enjoy this activity any longer.

So I resisted changing my point of view by accumulating many
reasons ( mostly unsubstantiated ) why there were no fixes in NFL. But
after people kept after me about this my disbelief began to turn to doubt.
Could I absolutely be sure there were no fixes?

Answer : No. and for one major reason.
The Reaon there has to be doubt is BILLIONs of dollars are involved.

In a game like the Superbowl there are BILLIONs of dollars involved. National media
is driven by how big an audience they can attract by
offering certain programming. The SuperBowl is not just about the Chicago
or New York market. It is about the Whole World Market. The polls went
out and the vast majority wanted to see a Ravens vs 49ers SuperBowl.
Guess what ... that is what they got.

Now several people have given reasons that tend to substantiate a
NFL conspiracy theory but there is no unequivocal proof that it is true.
As some one said a good conspiracy is very difficult to prove.
There was some kinda of proof that went like
" if it doesn't fit you must acquit". If that were the way I decide on truth
then I would be delusional.

Several people want this thread moved or locked but credit to the moderators for allowing free expression.
This is a topic that is important to all of us fans and it directly concerns
the state of American Football today.

Peace to all those with ruffled feathers. I can still enjoy the game of football
as long as I don't expect a certain outcome.
It is entertainment and there are magnificent thrilling plays seen in every game.

If your assessment (sp?) is to be even remotely plausible and to have even a grain of truth to it, it would mean Way too many people would have to be in on it and that practically EVERY game EVERY season is rigged ..., oh btw the election is rigged too you know ...

/Sigh ... :bricks:

 

[zoostation]

I'm amazed to see this thread is still alive.

 

[patsfan-1982]

was it conspiracy when the pats did the same thing to the rams in 2001 ? you win some you lose some end of story

 

[RayClay]

You make good points. But NO points in the second half? come on while
Ravens D is good they are not that good. We have all seen PATs make
mistakes like you mentioned but come back stronger to over come.
(SF game to wit )

They seem to have no fight, no desire and that may
have had to do with Brady's body language.
Tell me this was the Brady you are use to seeing on the side lines walking
up an down firing player up?

So, you think Brady was replaced by a doppelganger?

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Ok I was reluctant to buy into this but after listening to people tell
me it is true and considering some what I've seen/heard I am wondering.

...
Thoughts?

Sorry, I'm on vacation in Roswell to take a break from my day job of hunting for the "real killer" of OJ's wife, so I didn't see this earlier.

Seriously, though, I think you're having trouble processing the loss and need a little more time to get perspective.

There was quite a bit of chatter about the officials' tendencies before the game and they were all validated during it. If anything, the Pats got the benefit of a couple of close calls (especially on one review of a reception that the booth announcers, Pereira and little old me all thought hit the ground). Brady could have been flagged for his slide but wasn't. The only close call to go against them was the Pollard hit on Ridley, but, looking at it again, I think it could be seen as much as a case of Ridley putting his helmet down as it was Pollard bringing his up.

Brady's body language said to me exactly what he described after the game: they didn't make the plays they had to make and he knew it as it was happening.

Take a few days off from obsessing over the Pats. Why not go on down to Roswell? The weather's a lot warmer.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I suppose it is a good idea to keep all the nutjob tinfoil hat types all posting in one thread rather than cluttering up all threads.

Every now and then, though, I just have to take a look. I enjoy the good satirical post now and then, but a few of you seem serious... really?

 

[Claremonster]

oh btw the election is rigged too you know

Funny you say that...because that is also true. Think about it, George W Dubya Bush?


Really?...



Really?...







Really?...

 

[Claremonster]

Tim Brown’s allegations about Super Bowl XXXVII fade, but questions remain

Posted by Mike Florio on January 28, 2013, 9:12 AM EST

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We agree wholeheartedly with the opinions expressed by Peter King in his latest Monday Morning Quarterback and elsewhere regarding the merit (or more accurately lack thereof) of former Raiders receiver Tim Brown’s non-allegation allegation that former Raiders coach Bill Callahan “sabotaged” a 10-year-old Super Bowl. But some questions remain as the latest Super Bowl week commences.

First, will 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh be asked about the situation at one of his many media availabilities this week? Harbaugh, who was a first-year offensive assistant with the Raiders in 2002, wasn’t asked about it on Sunday night when the team arrived. And given the extent to which the story has faded in recent days, he may not be asked about it at all.

Second, did the Raiders’ game plan change two days before the game? Brown’s ludicrous opinion of sabotage comes from his belief, as a factual matter, that Callahan changed the game plan. So did he? There has been no definitive answer provided to that question.

Third, did the Raiders fail to change audibles and line calls? It has been presumed for nearly a decade that the Raiders didn’t account for the fact that former Oakland coach Jon Gruden knew the code words that would be used at the line of scrimmage on offense. But Peter King’s dismantling of the sabotage theory in the latest Monday Morning Quarterback extends to the notion that the Bucs knew what the Raiders were planning to do. The game broadcast, however, contained strong evidence to the contrary.

Tampa Bay safety John Lynch wore a microphone, and he plainly can be heard telling former Bucs defensive backs coach Mike Tomlin after the Raiders fell behind 20-3 late in the first half, “Mike, every play they’ve run, we ran in practice. It’s unreal.”

Said Tomlin, “I know.”

Whatever the reason, the Buccaneers’ dominance was enough, we’re told, to prompt Raiders receiver Jerry Rice to rip the microphone he was wearing during the game from his pads and flush it down a toilet at halftime.

Fourth, given that King believes Brown’s assertion is “utterly preposterous” and that King is one of the voters for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, will this mess keep Brown out for another year? The voters will swear that they don’t consider anything other than what happens on the field, in accordance with the Hall of Fame’s bylaws. But as we explained in our one-time-and-one-time-only PFT season preview magazine (which apparently made a cameo appearance several months ago in an episode of Mike & Molly on CBS), the human beings who cast the votes are influenced by the things that tend to influence the decisions made by human beings.

If it’s a close call between Brown and someone else as a given voter makes the excruciating descent from 15 modern-era finalists to up to five modern-era enshrinees, Brown’s assertions could be viewed, consciously or otherwise, as reflecting the kind of disrespect for and misunderstanding of the game that could be the factor pushing that person one way or the other.

There would be no hard proof of it, and none of the voters will risk their vote by proclaiming publicly that they sabotaged Brown’s candidacy in part because of his claim of sabotage. But it definitely could, in a close case, be a factor — and we’d never know that it was.

 

[JR4]

Finally a guy with a website that provides TONs of info on fixes
on not only the NFL but other sports as well.

There is so much but this is most interesting:

A guy tried to trademark the term "Harbowl" but the NFL lawyers
scared the crap out of him and thus succeeded in preventing
the trademark! the kicker is:

. . .This happened in August of 2012 !

The man who trademarked


if you really want to know more see the link to article below and
also check out the many menu links about fixes.

Professional Fantasy Football? - The Fix Is In

 

[chasa]

I was unaware that the refs have the ability to make welker drop passes that hit him in the numbers, while at the same time causing our defensive players to hurt themselves when they fall down.

 

[DarrylStingley]

I don't buy the conspiracy angle. Any real fix by the NFL would perforce involve so many people that it would leak out.

But that said, I could see the NFL mandating that the zebras call the rough stuff loose, with a specific intent to help the more physical team.

That said, as Mangini noted, the Pats could have seen how the game was being called and adjusted.

 

[Patsrock]

Finally a guy with a website that provides TONs of info on fixes
on not only the NFL but other sports as well.

There is so much but this is most interesting:

A guy tried to trademark the term "Harbowl" but the NFL lawyers
scared the crap out of him and thus succeeded in preventing
the trademark! the kicker is:

. . .This happened in August of 2012 !

The man who trademarked


if you really want to know more see the link to article below and
also check out the many menu links about fixes.

Professional Fantasy Football? - The Fix Is In

Pro and College sports read the trademark listings all the time to try to stop anyone from profiting off of their league. This is not the only time and will not be the last. It shows nothing about a fix being in.

 

[Steve102]

Finally a guy with a website that provides TONs of info on fixes
on not only the NFL but other sports as well.

There is so much but this is most interesting:

A guy tried to trademark the term "Harbowl" but the NFL lawyers
scared the crap out of him and thus succeeded in preventing
the trademark! the kicker is:

. . .This happened in August of 2012 !

The man who trademarked


if you really want to know more see the link to article below and
also check out the many menu links about fixes.

Professional Fantasy Football? - The Fix Is In

I just figured out JR4's true identity:

You're reaching, man. I dunno if you really believe it or if your just trying to keep the thread going.

Hey, it just sounds to me like you need to unplug, man. You know, get some R and R....