The Greatest Dynasty in the SB Era

[ivanvamp]

Is the 49ers from 1981-1998. That's 18 seasons, and here's the scorecard:

- 18 seasons
- 5 SB titles (27.7%)
- 5 conference championships (27.7%)
- 14 division titles (77.8%)
- 16 playoff appearances (88.9%)
- 207 wins, 72 losses, 1 tie (.742)
- 22 wins, 11 losses in playoffs (.667)


The Patriots' run from 2001-2012 stacks up this way:

- 12 seasons
- 3 SB titles (25.0%)
- 5 conference championships (41.7%)
- 10 division titles (83.3%)
- 10 playoff appearances (83.3%)
- 146 wins, 46 losses (.760)
- 17 wins, 7 losses in playoffs (.708)

The percentages match up pretty favorably. This is one of the longest and greatest runs in NFL history.

 

[Sicilian]

Good perspective. So we have six more seasons to get two more championships, and we're right up there with them

What's impressive about San Fran during that stretch is they did it with two different hall of fame QBs. That's something that isn't likely to happen again. Even in cases like Manning to Luck and Favre to Rodgers, you're talking about the new young guy taking the reigns from someone who won ONCE. Young had the pressure of following the GOAT and still managed to keep the roll going. Hats off to them.

But I think the overall opinion of this run won't be fully appreciated until after it finally comes to a close. Right now it's too close, and we're all too disappointed with what could have been to recognize what has actually happened. Can't see the forest for the trees and what not.

 

[ivanvamp]

Good perspective. So we have six more seasons to get two more championships, and we're right up there with them

What's impressive about San Fran during that stretch is they did it with two different hall of fame QBs. That's something that isn't likely to happen again. Even in cases like Manning to Luck and Favre to Rodgers, you're talking about the new young guy taking the reigns from someone who won ONCE. Young had the pressure of following the GOAT and still managed to keep the roll going. Hats off to them.

But I think the overall opinion of this run won't be fully appreciated until after it finally comes to a close. Right now it's too close, and we're all too disappointed with what could have been to recognize what has actually happened. Can't see the forest for the trees and what not.

I agree 100%. One day we'll look back on this period in Patriots' history in awe and wonder at what they accomplished. It truly is historic. Remember, the 49ers accomplished the vast bulk of that success before the salary cap, when they could just construct a monster team and keep their players.

 

[coolguy]

Is the 49ers from 1981-1998. That's 18 seasons, and here's the scorecard:

- 18 seasons
- 5 SB titles (27.7%)
- 5 conference championships (27.7%)
- 14 division titles (77.8%)
- 16 playoff appearances (88.9%)
- 207 wins, 72 losses, 1 tie (.742)
- 22 wins, 11 losses in playoffs (.667)


The Patriots' run from 2001-2012 stacks up this way:

- 12 seasons
- 3 SB titles (25.0%)
- 5 conference championships (41.7%)
- 10 division titles (83.3%)
- 10 playoff appearances (83.3%)
- 146 wins, 46 losses (.760)
- 17 wins, 7 losses in playoffs (.708)

The percentages match up pretty favorably. This is one of the longest and greatest runs in NFL history.

And yet the patriots have only 2 sure fire hall of famers

 

[jmt57]

Even though so many today strictly divide the NFL into two parts - pre-merger, and Super Bowl era - to me there are three distinct dividing lines that make much more sense:


- Start of the NFL to the end of WWII (little to no passing)
- WWII to 1993 (no free agency)
- Salary cap/free agency era (cap in 1994; FA in 1992)


To me it makes a lot more sense to compare franchises (i.e., teams over multiple years) from the 50's 60's to teams of the 70's and 80's, than it does to compare teams that played when there was a salary cap and free agency to teams that did not have to deal with that.

 

[PatsFan2]

And yet the patriots have only 2 sure fire hall of famers

Brady and BB?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Is the 49ers from 1981-1998. That's 18 seasons, and here's the scorecard:

- 18 seasons
- 5 SB titles (27.7%)
- 5 conference championships (27.7%)
- 14 division titles (77.8%)
- 16 playoff appearances (88.9%)
- 207 wins, 72 losses, 1 tie (.742)
- 22 wins, 11 losses in playoffs (.667)


The Patriots' run from 2001-2012 stacks up this way:

- 12 seasons
- 3 SB titles (25.0%)
- 5 conference championships (41.7%)
- 10 division titles (83.3%)
- 10 playoff appearances (83.3%)
- 146 wins, 46 losses (.760)
- 17 wins, 7 losses in playoffs (.708)

The percentages match up pretty favorably. This is one of the longest and greatest runs in NFL history.

Im curious as to why you picked 1998 as the end point od the 49ers dynasty

 

[jcdavey]

49ers are the best ever imo, being 5-0 in sbs lifetime

that can change in 2 weeks

 

[Pewsterbaby]

49ers Dynasty goes from 81-94. Those #'s up there are watered down by 4 additional seasons tacked onto the real end.

 

[coolguy]

Brady and BB?

Brady and Adam Vinatieri.


I love bb, but there's a chance the media/sports writers will turn against bill for the overblown spygate scandal and the way he treats the media/press.


Sports writers love to hold grudges against players/coaches that don't come off as friendly to the media.


Bill will still get in.

 

[ivanvamp]

Im curious as to why you picked 1998 as the end point od the 49ers dynasty

Because in 1998 they were still an outstanding football team.

12-4 record
NFC West title
#1 ranked offense, with Steve Young in his last full year at the helm
made it to the divisional round of the playoffs

From 1995-98, the 49ers were awesome. They were very similar to what the Patriots are now - a dominant team but no SB titles:

1995: 11-5, #2 off, #1 def, lost in divisional round
1996: 12-4, #6 off, #7 def, lost in divisional round
1997: 13-3, #12 off, #1 def, lost in NFCCG
1998: 12-4, #1 off, #23 def, lost in divisional round

That looks remarkably similar to what the Pats have done recently. So if we're going to compare apples to apples, we need to compare teams to the true end of their great run, not just the last of their championships. Otherwise, the Pats' great dynasty ended after the 2004 season. But they've been far and away the best team in football from 2005-2012, even without an additional SB title. That's why I'm extending it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'll take 1972-1979 Steelers

4 SBs
7 AFCCG appearances
9 playoff appearances
8 division titles
.758 winning %

Just a more condensed level of excellence.

For this is the main reason why I think folks are too hard on BB and the Pats. If winning SBs were so easy, Pitt would have won every year in this decade, but Bradshaw got hurt in 72 AFCCG vis MIA. In 73 they were an overconfident, young team. Harris and Bleier were out in AFCCG in 76. In 77 they lost to the Broncos but the season was full of districtions with the Noll trial. Holmes has a coke possession rap, Lambert and Blount were holdouts but were still tied at 21-21 in the 4th qtr.

49ers and Pats runs are incredibly impressive as well.

 

[crew1954]

I'll take 1972-1979 Steelers

4 SBs
7 AFCCG appearances
9 playoff appearances
8 division titles
.758 winning %

Just a more condensed level of excellence.

49ers and Pats runs are incredibly impressive as well.

Not long enough for me. I like the "what would a kid graduating from High School think" :

If he was graduating in 1998? He would have no memories of the 49ers being anything but great.

2012? he would have been 5-6 prior to the NE run, and with no dominant teams 1995-2000, unlikely to recall anything but the Pats.

1979? Dolphins perfect season and back to back SB wins not that far off.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Brady and Adam Vinatieri.


I love bb, but there's a chance the media/sports writers will turn against bill for the overblown spygate scandal and the way he treats the media/press.


Sports writers love to hold grudges against players/coaches that don't come off as friendly to the media.


Bill will still get in.

theres no chance of that..he will be in HF