Content Post The 2012 season: the Jets [Mod Edit: STILL] suck

[Gunnails]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

Didn't he announce that he had the playbook down on the first day of OTA's?

Rex obviously likes guys with confidence.

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Yes, Pettine was interviewed and said a couple of interesting things about this.

They wanted to throw QC into the fire so to speak and let him learn that he doesn't know, they played everywhere on the line and even gave him reps at LB. Pettine said the idea was to break him, then build him back up. Build him back up by putting him in certain packages (like DE on 3rd down plays) and let him focus on limited aspects of his game/position rather then overwhelm the rookie with everything.

Pettine said this is similar to how they brought along Mo Wilkerson last year.

It all makes sense to me.

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

Pettine said the idea was to break him, then build him back up.

That is a bizarre coaching philosophy. And even if true, why would the coach share it publicly? Is that a football team or some sort of strange comedic cult? I'm leaning toward the latter.

 

[patfanken]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

That is a bizarre coaching philosophy. And even if true, why would the coach share it publicly? Is that a football team or some sort of strange comedic cult? I'm leaning toward the latter.

The coaching philosophy is sound, Tune. Making it public however is not.

As per his statement in OTA's that he had the playbook down pat, the Jets have shown this kid that he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. Lesson one. Let the coaches coach. After the lesson is impressed upon him, you take him back to step one and coach him up to be good a one thing, then another, etc. baby steps.

What I don't understand is the DC's need to make it public. Wouldn't it be better in the long run for Coples if the Jets as an organization lowered the already over hyped expectations of the rabid Jet fandom. Pat fans won't have to wait until the first game he doesn't have a sack to call him a bust, Jet fans will do it for us. They eat their young.

Its still very early in the process. None of us expect Jones to "breakout" his first year, and we will all be very happy with a "competent" CJones his rookie year. However it has to be disconcerting to Gunny that there haven't been any reports out of Jets camp that Coples has "flashed" any great pass rushing moves yet. Especially since there has been all kinds of Maybin love.

 

[Gunnails]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

The coaching philosophy is sound, Tune. Making it public however is not.

As per his statement in OTA's that he had the playbook down pat, the Jets have shown this kid that he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. Lesson one. Let the coaches coach. After the lesson is impressed upon him, you take him back to step one and coach him up to be good a one thing, then another, etc. baby steps.

What I don't understand is the DC's need to make it public. Wouldn't it be better in the long run for Coples if the Jets as an organization lowered the already over hyped expectations of the rabid Jet fandom. Pat fans won't have to wait until the first game he doesn't have a sack to call him a bust, Jet fans will do it for us. They eat their young.

Its still very early in the process. None of us expect Jones to "breakout" his first year, and we will all be very happy with a "competent" CJones his rookie year. However it has to be disconcerting to Gunny that there haven't been any reports out of Jets camp that Coples has "flashed" any great pass rushing moves yet. Especially since there has been all kinds of Maybin love.

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You have made my point better then I. The guy is a first round pick of the Jets, the fans are going to expect a All Pro out of the gate, would it be better to try and temper those expectations, probably, but Hey that's NY.

I can't say I am worried about the guy 1 week in to camp, Pettine also said that QC is playing with a chip on his shoulder, wants to prove the naysayers wrong, considering some of the rap he has coming out of college, I find that remark quite encouraging.

But yes I would also like to here reports of him blowing up the O-line, and I haven't.

 

[Salva135]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

That is a bizarre coaching philosophy. And even if true, why would the coach share it publicly? Is that a football team or some sort of strange comedic cult? I'm leaning toward the latter.

It sounds more like a line out of the Dark Knight Rises

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

The coaching philosophy is sound, Tune. Making it public however is not.

As per his statement in OTA's that he had the playbook down pat, the Jets have shown this kid that he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. Lesson one. Let the coaches coach. After the lesson is impressed upon him, you take him back to step one and coach him up to be good a one thing, then another, etc. baby steps.

What I don't understand is the DC's need to make it public. Wouldn't it be better in the long run for Coples if the Jets as an organization lowered the already over hyped expectations of the rabid Jet fandom. Pat fans won't have to wait until the first game he doesn't have a sack to call him a bust, Jet fans will do it for us. They eat their young.

Its still very early in the process. None of us expect Jones to "breakout" his first year, and we will all be very happy with a "competent" CJones his rookie year. However it has to be disconcerting to Gunny that there haven't been any reports out of Jets camp that Coples has "flashed" any great pass rushing moves yet. Especially since there has been all kinds of Maybin love.

I don't buy the "breaking him down to build him up" silliness. This is professional football. If Coples can't do what he's told to do without being "broken down," then he's uncoachable. Why waste everyone's time making him fail at whatever just to prove a point? Is he that stupid?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

I don't buy the "breaking him down to build him up" silliness. This is professional football. If Coples can't do what he's told to do without being "broken down," then he's uncoachable. Why waste everyone's time making him fail at whatever just to prove a point? Is he that stupid?

Probably. Just because he's a professional athlete doesn't mean he can't also be an idiot.

 

[Salva135]

Just read the title and imagine how this went over on JI:

Michael Irvin wants to add Belichick’s name to the Lombardi Trophy - Jets Insider.com Forums

My favorite... Pats fans better wake the hell up! Apparently BB sucks as a coach and has since day one:

I think some of you (particularly Pats fans) need to wake the hell up. I for one, begrudgingly, used to give Belichick a ton of credit for his defensive prowess as a coach. But, if you look at the facts, over rated comes to mind. Everyone likes to talk about SB 25 as if that was some great defensive plan put together to stop the vaunted Bills offense. It wasn't. The Bills averaged a point per minute in that game. A POINT PER MINUTE! I'm pretty sure it was the Giants offense controlling the clock for 41 minutes that dictated the result in that game and it still came down to a MISSED FG on the part of the Bills to secure victory for the G-Men.

Now, for the sake of chronology, I'll refer to Belichick's horrendous coaching record with the Browns. 1 playoff season in 6 is it? And off the top of my head, was he 8-8, 9-7? Not exactly world beaters. Then, his first year with the Patriots 5-11? That's with Parcells and Carroll's players on D in particular. Then comes the "spygate"era...

The era in which physical EVIDENCE is eventually discovered years later to have begun and continued through 2007. Now, let's be clear here-the Patriots were found and eventually punished for, in short, CHEATING. They had been warned on 2 previous occasions about these ILLEGAL methods and they (Belichick) decided to ignore them. Why? My only guess, being a sane and logical person, would be because he was experiencing too much success during this PROVEN time period.

As the players of former regimes moved on and the Patriots were theoretically forced into relying on old fashioned coaching and talent to reach the pinnacle of success in the league, it became evident that without those advantages, winning the big one didn't come as easy.

Now, I myself along with other sane people are not saying the Patriots were not a good team during this time, but to win the championship that often, by 3 points in each SB game--to deny the fact that the video taping (cheating) helped them...that's just pride and ignorance gasping for air.

In conclusion, because of the above rhetoric, Belichick does not belong anywhere near the Lombardi trophy. He didn't have half the success that Vince had. And for those of you that talk about "...the days of free agency...its more difficult today...blah, blah. Keep in mind that EVERY TEAM faces free agency and when Lombardi coached, EVERY TEAM could keep their teams together for years if they chose to. Every team, in both eras, were on equal footing.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just read the title and imagine how this went over on JI:

Michael Irvin wants to add Belichick’s name to the Lombardi Trophy - Jets Insider.com Forums

My favorite... Pats fans better wake the hell up! Apparently BB sucks as a coach and has since day one:

The writer of that piece is yet another idiot who's too stupid to be allowed to procreate.

 

[Gunnails]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

I don't buy the "breaking him down to build him up" silliness. This is professional football. If Coples can't do what he's told to do without being "broken down," then he's uncoachable. Why waste everyone's time making him fail at whatever just to prove a point? Is he that stupid?

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Tune, I think the idea is to let QC know what worked in college may not work in the NFL, break him down (Or brake for Joker) and have him start over from a blank slate and coach him up from there. Rex, Pettine, and Karl Dunbar are all highly respected defensive minds and we have to assume they have done this befor (Wilkerson).

 

[Gunnails]

BrianCoz (Beat Writer / Columnist) I half expect Helen Thomas to ask the first question at Rex's presser tomorrow


DWAZ73 (Beat Writer / Columnist) Tremendous. RT @MikeSielskiWSJ Doing research now to find out what Ronald Reagan thought of Richard Todd. #NYJ

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Everyone talking about the Jets.

 

[Gunnails]

NYPost_Lewis (Beat Writer / Columnist) Well-played, cat RT @PeterBotte: In response, Antonio Cromartie says he's already the second-best presidential candidate.

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LOL, The NY Jets Americas Team.

 

[italia44]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

The coaching philosophy is sound, Tune. Making it public however is not.

As per his statement in OTA's that he had the playbook down pat, the Jets have shown this kid that he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. Lesson one. Let the coaches coach. After the lesson is impressed upon him, you take him back to step one and coach him up to be good a one thing, then another, etc. baby steps.

What I don't understand is the DC's need to make it public. Wouldn't it be better in the long run for Coples if the Jets as an organization lowered the already over hyped expectations of the rabid Jet fandom. Pat fans won't have to wait until the first game he doesn't have a sack to call him a bust, Jet fans will do it for us. They eat their young.

Its still very early in the process. None of us expect Jones to "breakout" his first year, and we will all be very happy with a "competent" CJones his rookie year. However it has to be disconcerting to Gunny that there haven't been any reports out of Jets camp that Coples has "flashed" any great pass rushing moves yet. Especially since there has been all kinds of Maybin love.

It's the most amazing thing to me,Ken,how Rex and his coaches and players,comment on EVERYTHING.Santonio Holmes,Cromartie and even the owner Woody Johnson just throw stuff out there without realizing that they look like the insane clown posse.

To a lesser degree,the ravens and the steelers have done this,but not from their coaches and assistants.......Coples has the playbook down in may????....I mean how stupid is that.Cromartie is their 2nd best recvr...please child.This train wreck of a team gave Sanchise a huge 2nd contract,just to boost his confidence.....who is he,Tim Geithner?

Landry et al boast that they don't fear the New England tight ends.....you better fear them,my friend.....speaking of TE's.....how can a team desperate for offense,ignore Shiancoe,Fells and Ballard?.....or even Daniel Graham....This is Ground and Pound....with a piddling amout of pound and an excess of Hound(dog).

Finally....thank you God for Rex and the Jets.....it just doesn't get any better than this:rocker:

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

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Tune, I think the idea is to let QC know what worked in college may not work in the NFL, break him down (Or brake for Joker) and have him start over from a blank slate and coach him up from there. Rex, Pettine, and Karl Dunbar are all highly respected defensive minds and we have to assume they have done this befor (Wilkerson).

Then TELL HIM WHAT TO DO and WHAT NOT TO DO! The more I think about it, the more this "breaking him down" stuff sounds like pure bullshyte. No wonder that team is stuck in reverse.

NYPost_Lewis (Beat Writer / Columnist) Well-played, cat RT @PeterBotte: In response, Antonio Cromartie says he's already the second-best presidential candidate.

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LOL, The NY Jets Americas Team.

More like America's Compost Tumbler.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

Then TELL HIM WHAT TO DO and WHAT NOT TO DO! The more I think about it, the more this "breaking him down" stuff sounds like pure bullshyte. No wonder that team is stuck in reverse.

To whatever extent that the Patriots don't do it, it's probably because they pick guys who don't need to be broken down. Assuming that you're stuck with a ****head like Coples, though, it may be the only option you have.

 

[Frezo]

He obviously can't Cope with more than a Cople of things at a time.

 

[Keyser Söze]

jets and phins will be fighting for 3rd place.

CANT WAIT

 

[1960Pats]

Isn't this the year that Goodell temporarily waived a longstanding rule so the Jets could have the SB in their stadium?

 

[Gunnails]

Isn't this the year that Goodell temporarily waived a longstanding rule so the Jets could have the SB in their stadium?

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Next SB is in New Orleans, New Jersey in 2014.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Re: Jets' Coples Removed From Starting Base Formations

"Jets first-round DE Quinton Coples has been removed from the starting base formations.
For now, the Jets' plan is to use Coples in passing situations and as an end in the 4-3, but leave him as a backup when in the base 3-4. "We'll work it from back to front," DC Mike Pettine said of Coples' role. "He'll be a third-down guy, similar to [Aaron] Maybin." Pettine still eventually expects Coples to play 50 to 80 percent of the defensive plays per game. The Jets are desperate for pass-rushing help after Maybin led the team with a meager six sacks last year."

Let's hope this guy is Gholston 2.0

Biggest bust since Rex's