If PSU gets the Death Penalty What Happens to O'Brien?

[BradyManny]

Speaking of demonizing, nice to see OSU frat boy Breer getting some push back on his own enablers mindset...

Disgusting by Breer. Talk about not getting it. What an idiot.

EDIT: And now he's taken it down? So he's a coward, too. He really should be ashamed that was his gut reaction to what happened today. Truly screwed up.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Seems like they're looking at it as if he should have been fired at the time he exercised bad judgement in 1998 and taking away the wins is the next best thing.

Interesting, does it effect player statistics in those games? just curious...

I honestly don't know. Obviously, if a player is ineligible, his stats are vacated. I don't recall what happens to the eligible players (which would be all of them in this case).

Edited: according to NCAA policies, vacated wins only affect school and coach W/L records. All other stats not involving ineligible players count (e.g., what Matt Leinart did at USC still counts, even though many of Reggie Bush's games don't count for him).

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Among other things, they forced USC to vacate their national championship as a result of the Reggie Bush mess.

Saw a tweet that said USC lost 30 scholarships (3 x 10). Comparatively speaking...perhaps PSU should have lost it's 10 for 11 years to match the timeline of the continued enabling.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The NCAA is like Santa Claus at Christmas, vacating all the wins back to 1998.

A guy at my office who is a Florida State grad popped in and said Bobby Bowden now has more wins than Joe Pa and the Seminoles are now the 2006 Orange Bowl champions!

Oh, rapture!

Well, he's half right: Bowden does have more wins than Joe Pa, but the Seminoles still lost the 2006 Orange Bowl (there's simply no winner in those games that Penn State vacated; the other team isn't retroactively declared the winner).

 

[everlong]

To be honest this is probably much worse than a year or two of the death penalty. A four year bowl ban and the amount of scholarships they're losing will most likely take a decade to recover from. Also, in terms of tradition the vacated wins pretty much destroys everything Penn State was known for.

Two years with no games and every current player transferring out would have crippled the program for a lot longer. Symbolically the death penalty would have meant more.

 

[everlong]

Saw a tweet that said USC lost 30 scholarships (3 x 10). Comparatively speaking...perhaps PSU should have lost it's 10 for 11 years to match the timeline of the continued enabling.

Seriously if one player, and we all know it was more than but but one who got caught hardcore, is worth 3X10 then PSU should be 10X10.

 

[ScottieC]

Speaking of demonizing, nice to see OSU frat boy Breer getting some push back on his own enablers mindset...

Yea, Awful on his part - I copied and sent a tweet to Goodell to express my disgust with his comments.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Seriously if one player, and we all know it was more than but but one who got caught hardcore, is worth 3X10 then PSU should be 10X10.

The important thing is that the school was penalized for overall loss of institutional control, not specifically for Reggie Bush.

 

[eagle eye]

IMO, this is a big part of the penalties. The old man hung on to the job to get the record, and the NCAA just pulled the rug out and said "what record?" All the Paterno apologists that will say 'yeah, but he did so many great things for kids', and that's gone. This scandal is his legacy, and the fact that the NCAA just wacked him back to 12th all-time puts him in an also-ran category.

Well I'm not a Paterno apologist by any stretch but if somebody asks me who is the greatest college football coach in history I will tell them its Joe Paterno.

His legacy is certainly stained now by this but purely where football is concerned he is still the greatest college football coach imho.

 

[Deus Irae]

Again, forgive my complete ignorance in this realm - but, who is going to stop the NCAA from handing out these punishments? You say it is not in their purview - OK, but what body can stop them from setting this precedence?

Absent the consent agreement, Penn State could have filed in court.

 

[Tunescribe]

Two years with no games and every current player transferring out would have crippled the program for a lot longer. Symbolically the death penalty would have meant more.

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether the penalty was just and fair or overboard. Very sad all around for everyone and everything associated with this tragedy.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Well I'm not a Paterno apologist by any stretch but if somebody asks me who is the greatest college football coach in history I will tell them its Joe Paterno.

His legacy is certainly stained now by this but purely where football is concerned he is still the greatest college football coach imho.

Eh...this was only part of it. The worst part perhaps because of the nature of the crimes committed on his watch. But he himself was as much an enabler as an iconic coach. Didn't even really coach all that much for the last several years. Just made non football administrators lives hell, including the woman student affairs administrator he drove out of PSU because she pushed back when he wanted the football department to handle all football player related disciplines on his terms, with penalties like cleaning the locker room as opposed to suspensions... The icon who paid lip service to integrity on and off the field and in the classroom was a fraud.

The Big Ten has now docked PSU it's share of all bowl revenue for the next 4 years or approximately another $13M that will also be donated to child abuse charities. Hopefully those will be vetted out...since we now know pedophiles aren't above running them.

Big 10 hands out additional penalties to Penn State - JSOnline

 

[crew1954]

I clicked on the link and read the piece; it's not "news" it's political journalism.

Director Freeh ran the FBI in what is almost universally regarded as a highly distinguished manner for eight years. Guys like Freeh make enemies who are out to tear them down. Without a lot of other evidence, I'm going to assume that the people behind this editorial fall in that category.

Just what we would have been saying about Paterno a few years ago. Let's see.

The FBI started as a corrupt organization and has always been about its own image over substance.

edit: Louis Freeh. Wasn't he involved in the coverup for what happened at Waco in the 1990's?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

He should bail on them. I'm sure the school told him that the football staff was innocent of any wrongdoing. They lied to him. He should bail on the school based on that alone. Staying could be career suicide.

Doesn't matter what they told him, BOB knew or should've known damn well what he was getting into signing on with that program in the midst of the ****storm. I wish him all the best but you reap what you sow man.

And I agree with this potentially working in his favor, that team will have zero expectations and if he has them anywhere close to .500 over the duration of his contract he'll be viewed a resounding success, easily the best of the BB coaching tree which has yet to see one at HC.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether the penalty was just and fair or overboard. Very sad all around for everyone and everything associated with this tragedy.

I think one of our WR hit the nail on the head this AM. Life is all about choices, and sometimes you make one that results in collateral damage, to yourself or others. No one said life would be fair, although many today believe they were led to expect it would be.

Deion Branch #84?@deionbranch84

Life is kind of like math: Choices + Actions = Consequences

The punishment due an entire institution can't be set aside because some innocent bystanders were collaterally damaged. And so many of them weren't entirely innocent. To this day they defend a fallen idol whose actions or inactions are truly indefensible. And that attitude or culture is what allowed it to ever come to this. And what the penalties are designed to both punish for past behavior and change going forward.

It certainly sucks to find out those you looked up to and were encouraged to trust were frauds. Sucks more to be an 11 year old raped in a shower surrounded by adults who knew what happened and couldn't bring themselves to put a stop to it for fear of being collaterally damaged by the embarassment acknowledging it would have entailed.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I think one of our WR hit the nail on the head this AM. Life is all about choices, and sometimes you make one that results in collateral damage, to yourself or others. No one said life would be fair, although many today believe they were led to expect it would be.



The punishment due an entire institution can't be set aside because some innocent bystanders were collaterally damaged. And so many of them weren't entirely innocent. To this day they defend a fallen idol whose actions or inactions are truly indefensible. And that attitude or culture is what allowed it to ever come to this. And what the penalties are designed to both punish for past behavior and change going forward.

An analogy: your favorite uncle/aunt/grandpa is suddenly arrested and convicted for a heinous crime. Would you be able to cut him/her off completely? Effectively, that's what you're asking of PSU students right now.

I'm not saying it's right, merely that, to quote BB, it is what it is.

 

[crew1954]

Apparently when it comes to the great state of Pennsylvania, sexual abuse is condoned apparently.
Whether we are talking about PSU or the Pitt Steelers.

Regional cultural differences. Here in Mass. negligent homicide is ok, but only if you are a Kennedy.

All this wishing Paterno was alive so he could be prosecuted. How many of you voted for Teddy post 1968?

 

[mgteich]

The NCAA did the best they could to penalize the conduct. Penn State football must now start over.

The courts are still deciding, but will likely not indict anyone else.

However, the penalties and publicity are nowhere near over, either for individuals or for Penn State. There will be law suits for years.
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One set of losers in this whole episode has not been mentioned. All the other sports are supported by the $60M a year of revenue from football. Revenue will be lower (in addition to the $15M per year). Players of other sports teams will suffer.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Well I'm not a Paterno apologist by any stretch but if somebody asks me who is the greatest college football coach in history I will tell them its Joe Paterno.

His legacy is certainly stained now by this but purely where football is concerned he is still the greatest college football coach imho.

I still think Bowden was better than him. Before the wins were taken away, they had a very similar bowl record and win%, and same # of national titles in way less time. If JoePa had more titles I'd put more stock into the former lead in wins.

EDIT: I miscalculated the win% before wins were taken away, they're about the same, not in Bowden's favor.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Disgusting by Breer. Talk about not getting it. What an idiot.

EDIT: And now he's taken it down? So he's a coward, too. He really should be ashamed that was his gut reaction to what happened today. Truly screwed up.

Heard on the way into work that Breer was going to be on Gresh and Zo "the next hour" (this was 12:00. Been busy and will be here at the office, just wondered if anyone called Breer out on this.