C's vs Heat

[pork3]

Like we are not down a great player ... seriously ... We lost Bradley and you lost Bosh.

Man I'm daft, I didn't realize he was a Heat fan.

Overall, an exciting game, but the Celtics really need to find a way to score and, to a lesser degree, defend when Garnett's not on the floor.
Also, Miami introduced an interesting wrinkle with them constantly trapping Rondo early in their offensive sets in the third quarter.

-Jamman

 

[JMarr]

What a joke the NBA is. LeBron fouls out of a game for the 1st time since he joined Miami. His reaction was priceless, like "did that really just happen?" The NBA really wanted this series to go at least six. These series are becoming unwatchable--the games are so influenced by all the fouls, flopping and make-up calls.

I'll take the W, but don't think the Celtics are going to be able to pull this out. Pierce and Allen look like they need walkers by the second half and Pierce just looks like he doesn't want to be there.

 

[BradyManny]

Post what you will about him, but if he was playing in this series, the Heat would be walking away with a 3-1 lead right now. At least he can hit a god damn free throw.

We'll agree to disagree on this one. I don't think Bosh would've had any huge impact on the series thus far and I don't think he'll impact it greatly when he comes back for game 5, which apparently he is. I just don't see him being a huge factor. He's a good player, but ultimately, he doesn't change the way either team is going to play the game on either end. KG will still be the same KG on both ends - and they'll live with Bosh hitting a few shots to let him be the help defender.

Honestly, given what was going to be asked of them, I think the loss of Bradley to the C's has been far greater than the loss of Bosh to the Heat. If the C's have Bradley right now, they would certainly be up 3-1 with his lockdown D and slashing ability.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I'll take the W, but don't think the Celtics are going to be able to pull this out. Pierce and Allen look like they need walkers by the second half and Pierce just looks like he doesn't want to be there.

Miami will win 5..especially with bosh back..then i think boston could get by with a W in 6..but its going to be very tough

Bosh will be rusty tomorrow..let's see how much help he will give them

James after the game " i don't foul out..i don't foul out"

 

[pork3]

Gentlemen, I have to ask, is there such a thing as a white Rondo?
Guy in dark gray bottom right to Gronkowski.



-Jamman

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

What is wrong with the NBA letting the players play? Miami gets all the calls in miami..and the past 2 games..boston gets all of the calls in boston...WTF is that? What league would do this or be this drastic..why?

 

[Kontradiction]

We'll agree to disagree on this one. I don't think Bosh would've had any huge impact on the series thus far and I don't think he'll impact it greatly when he comes back for game 5, which apparently he is. I just don't see him being a huge factor. He's a good player, but ultimately, he doesn't change the way either team is going to play the game on either end. KG will still be the same KG on both ends - and they'll live with Bosh hitting a few shots to let him be the help defender.

Honestly, given what was going to be asked of them, I think the loss of Bradley to the C's has been far greater than the loss of Bosh to the Heat. If the C's have Bradley right now, they would certainly be up 3-1 with his lockdown D and slashing ability.

You don't think that getting a big bodied midrange shooter that can loosen up the defense in the paint won't make a difference? Explain your logic, please.

 

[Kontradiction]

thats the same way i feel about avery bradly. celts would be up 3 to 1 with him. i can only imagine where they would be with a healthy jeff green. we can both play that game.

The Heats biggest deficiency is size down low without a consistent midrange jump shooter to spread the defense out. Bosh will provide that. The C's biggest deficiency is not defense, which Bradley provided. With that said, the loss of Bosh is bigger than the loss of Bradley.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

We'll agree to disagree on this one. I don't think Bosh would've had any huge impact on the series thus far and I don't think he'll impact it greatly when he comes back for game 5, which apparently he is. I just don't see him being a huge factor. He's a good player, but ultimately, he doesn't change the way either team is going to play the game on either end. KG will still be the same KG on both ends - and they'll live with Bosh hitting a few shots to let him be the help defender.

Bosh back would/will stop the double team on wade which could help him out even though he has been sucking this series.

When Bosh comes back in game 5..he is going to be rusty. Not game ready and he is being thrown into the thick of things. I would bet a few $$ KG will go right at him first thing tomorrow night to see where he's at

 

[Kontradiction]

So tell me something. Are you guys going to give Pierce any sh!t for that flop against LeBron last night, or is that something that everyone just conveniently ignores unless LeBron does it?

 

[BradyManny]

You don't think that getting a big bodied midrange shooter that can loosen up the defense in the paint won't make a difference? Explain your logic, please.

Because I really don't think KG or the Celts will even think twice about Bosh being on the floor. They'll continue to play defense the way they have and worry more about Lebron and Wade. And I don't think Bosh is going to make them pay. The Celtics let Udonis Haslem put up 12 shots the other night in that same range. They will live with it, even if its Bosh. Just as they live with Lebron and Wade shooting jumpers.

 

[pork3]

The Heats biggest deficiency is size down low without a consistent midrange jump shooter to spread the defense out. Bosh will provide that. The C's biggest deficiency is not defense, which Bradley provided. With that said, the loss of Bosh is bigger than the loss of Bradley.

You're selling short Bradley's contributions to the team.

Outside of Bradley's defense, he's also a slasher on the offensive end and isn't a bad 2-guard. Let's not forget that having our aging stars defending Wade/James does affect their offensive play simply because of the energy they have to expend. Bradley's defense helped mitigate said point.

In the end, Bradley's presence on the court, both directly and indirectly, when healthy, would benefit our offense which is currently our biggest liability namely because of inconsistency and an oft-reliance on jumpers.

With that said, I'm not getting into a proverbial pissing match about whose **** is bigger.

-Jamman

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

So tell me something. Are you guys going to give Pierce any sh!t for that flop against LeBron last night, or is that something that everyone just conveniently ignores unless LeBron does it?

lebron is held to a different standard. He is criticized more mostly due to media building him up to be the next god.

I ignore pierce doing that because i have seen it before..i call lebron out becasue i just don't like him

 

[BradyManny]

Bosh back would/will stop the double team on wade which could help him out even though he has been sucking this series.

When Bosh comes back in game 5..he is going to be rusty. Not game ready and he is being thrown into the thick of things. I would bet a few $$ KG will go right at him first thing tomorrow night to see where he's at

I don't know - Bosh is not going to stop the double on Wade. We'll continue to help on Wade and lebron. KG will continue to play aggressive help defense - I guarantee Bosh doesn't change our approach, healthy or otherwise.

It's how we've always played the Heat, and it's been quite successful for the bulk of two seasons outside of those games when Rondo was missing an arm.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I guarantee Bosh doesn't change our approach, healthy or otherwise.

No i don't think our approach will really change..but it will for miami. If he comes in and gets pts and rbs..it will help miami. But we don't know health wise what he will be like...we will find out tomorrow night

 

[BradyManny]

The Heats biggest deficiency is size down low without a consistent midrange jump shooter to spread the defense out. Bosh will provide that. The C's biggest deficiency is not defense, which Bradley provided. With that said, the loss of Bosh is bigger than the loss of Bradley.

The C's biggest challenges right now are off-the-ball movement on offense and ability to guard the Heat's best players one on one. Bradley helps greatly with both of those things.

And I don't think a midrange shooter is the key to the Heat spreading things out. The Heat have rolled out 4 three point shooters and it hasn't changed the C's approach. Having a guy even 10 feet closer to the hoop that can shoot is not going to be the game-changer you think it is. How much does Bosh help spacing over Haslem? Who affects spacing more, Bosh or Mike Miller?

If spacing were the key to the Heat's chances in this series, the series would be long over b/c the Battier, Miller, Chalmers lineup and those guys knocking down threes would do us in. It's not going to be a guy knocking down 12-15 footers that'll put you over the edge. KG can rotate to that fast enough.

 

[bigcountry75]

I just don't like Bosh and think he is garbage but I will give my reason as to why I don't think he will help the Heat in this series.....The Celtics are old and a step slower than the Heat so when the Heat spread the floor with jump shooters and allow Wade/lebron to penetrate then they have the option to score/get fouled at the basket or kick the ball out to shooters....Having bosh in the game, the heat will run more half court offense and try to work bosh in the post which slows down their offense and works into the strengths of the Celtics.....IMO Haslem has knocked down the mid range shot nicely so saying that Bosh can hit it is a wash.....He has more height and may help a little defensively on KG and rebounding but overall I don't see him making a big difference...

 

[Kontradiction]

Because I really don't think KG or the Celts will even think twice about Bosh being on the floor. They'll continue to play defense the way they have and worry more about Lebron and Wade. And I don't think Bosh is going to make them pay. The Celtics let Udonis Haslem put up 12 shots the other night in that same range. They will live with it, even if its Bosh. Just as they live with Lebron and Wade shooting jumpers.

The problem is that if Bosh keeps hitting his jumpers, that defense will loosen up. They're not just going to leave him uguarded. Garnett will come out of the paint and also have to contest rebounds from Bosh. Like it or not, Bosh will make life easier for everyone else. We'll also see more free throws made and less three point shots from Battier.

 

[BradyManny]

The problem is that if Bosh keeps hitting his jumpers, that defense will loosen up. They're not just going to leave him uguarded. Garnett will come out of the paint and also have to contest rebounds from Bosh. Like it or not, Bosh will make life easier for everyone else. We'll also see more free throws made and less three point shots from Battier.

Bosh can make life easier for Bosh. He can make shots that will put points on the board for the Heat. I just don't know if it will alter the C's approach, and/or make life easier for Wade & Lebron.

The Celts are a stubborn team, they have their defensive philsophy, and I don't see Bosh making KG less effective helping out on Wade/Lebron. If it means Bosh beats the C's - so be it. You gotta live with that.

Whether Bosh can execute and do just that is anyone's guess.

 

[scout]

Ray Allen will be a complete non factor in this series...

Sometimes, I can't resist a bump.